Defending The Indefensible : PAUL WELLER!

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Surely someone must love The Style Council..

Rossco, Thursday, 10 July 2003 14:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Loads of people do, are you smokin' the pipe again?

tigerclawskank, Thursday, 10 July 2003 14:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Style Council managed the odd decent single (though were nothing compared to the majesty of the Jam). I haven't listened to any of his solo material since Wildwood, but I thought that album was entirely respectable.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 10 July 2003 14:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

'my ever changing moods', 'you're the best thing' and 'walls come tumbling down' are all great. as is 'wildwood' (the song not the album). i also like the fact that, by law, EVERY london taxi driver is obsessed with the jam.

but yes, he is an enormous tosser who has made an awful lot of bad, bad records.

adam b (adam b), Thursday, 10 July 2003 14:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

they were alright, as were The Jam, and i still like 'Wild Wood', esp. the Portishead mix

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 10 July 2003 14:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

All I have...and all I need...is the singles comp.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 July 2003 14:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

DESTROY!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 10 July 2003 14:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

he belongs among the greats: steve stapleton, yo la tengo, kid 606...

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 10 July 2003 14:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I couldn't defend him on the basis of *any* of his solo material. As for Style Council, I'd burnt the lot with the exception of the cover of Promised Land (Joe Smooth might not agree) and Wanted with its world briefest bass solo and its opening line - now how could anyone not love a song which begins with the line "There's a girl in my office who keeps on stopping right in front of my eyes"? (this is pretty much my life at the mo, anyhow!).

MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 10 July 2003 14:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

hey no hating on steve stapleton. he da mang!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 10 July 2003 14:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've never heard of Steve Stapleton.

MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 10 July 2003 15:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

nurse with wound - ace or arse?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 10 July 2003 15:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dud for all of his Motown & Soul covers (except maybe "Move on Up".)
Me Ship Came In! - great coffeelounge song.

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The story about the aging yuppie couple getting it on in the middle of his concert is a golden classic, so I can't condemn him as vociferously as I probably should.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Damn it, "Wild Wood" is a good album (since that LP I've lost interest tho'). The Style Council had the odd good single too. It's The Jam I've only had a problem with, "That's entertainment" aside.

Michael B, Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I didn't think that could be.

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 10 July 2003 16:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yes I may have been smoking again. Expected to see a lot of Jam loving council hating.
Can he really be defended after the last few solo albums AND spawning Ocean Colour Scene and the like?

Rossco, Thursday, 10 July 2003 18:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've enjoyed The Piano Paintings (Side Two of SC's "Confessions of a Pop Group") since if came out in 1988.

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 10 July 2003 18:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Really, I like pretty much all Style Council up until "The Cost of Loving" (whose title I may be misremembering), which was fetid.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 10 July 2003 19:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

This thread wasnt meant to just be about The Style Council. Its about all of his career. I find the Jam overrated, and solo albums highly dull and earnest. The Style Council i only know the singles comp and it wasnt too bad, but most Jam fans seemed to hate them.

Rossco, Thursday, 10 July 2003 19:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

are you out of your fucking mind?

You can trash the man's entire post-Jam career but anyone who can come up with a single like Beat Surrender has earned permanent classic status.

Besides, everybody knows that Paul Weller in tight wool trowsers on TOTP in 1982 = way doable.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Thursday, 10 July 2003 20:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

as Alex put it, his solo work is thoroughly respectable. Respectable.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 10 July 2003 20:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Take or leave us, only please believe us
We ain't ever gonna be respectable
Like us, hate us, but you'll never change us
We ain't ever gonna be respectable

Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 10 July 2003 20:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

respectable is fucking dull!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 10 July 2003 21:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

He is respect-worthy in my book, but too respectable to break out of his dadrock hell.

_The Bitterest Pill_ is some sweet melodrama c'mon!

Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 11 July 2003 04:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

his contributions to the recent DiV and Noonday underground albums are really quite good

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 11 July 2003 04:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Never mind woolly trousers: the backwards apron secures classic status forever.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 11 July 2003 12:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i was too young -- and on teh worng side of the ocean -- for the jam the first time round, so i fell in love with SC first. when i was working in the UK, i was surprised to find i was the only Weller-defender in the office -- and even then, i had to trash the last solo album, as it was a load of pants.

and the unreleased 'house' album included in the SC box set? don't ask.

still: weller, classic, even if he's also got many duds to his name.

bucky wunderlick (bucky), Friday, 11 July 2003 16:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
F8ck! I have to interview him in about 40 mins and have no idea what to ask. I'm not that keen. Any ideas?

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 16:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ARE CHAVS MODERN DAY MODS???

Old School (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 16:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ask him if it's true he once tried to cook eggs on the hob WITHOUT USING A PAN.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 16:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Haha!
Well, it's too late now anyway, I've done it. New album's kind of rub, but he was pretty awesome. Swore like a trooper.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/05/10/sm_paulweller10.xml&page=1

When I ask what he spends his money on he rolls his eyes. ‘School fees…’ He had qualms about it at first, but all his children have been educated at private schools. Where he lives is not exactly the worst part of London, he says, but the local comprehensives were never an option. ‘I don’t want my kids coming home speaking like Ali G - I’m just not having it.’

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 8 May 2008 20:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

thatsindefensible.gif

Bodrick III, Thursday, 8 May 2008 21:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

in the city is a RAD song

69, Thursday, 8 May 2008 21:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

"paul weller continues to blight british music as a faux-hippie solo act to this day." -- jon savage, england's dreaming

J.D., Friday, 9 May 2008 05:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

(from the otherwise largely unbitchy discography! best line in entire book)

J.D., Friday, 9 May 2008 05:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

‘I don’t want my kids coming home speaking like Ali G - I’m just not having it.’

What a tool.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 May 2008 05:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

Red Wedge was a collective of British popular musicians who attempted to engage young people with politics in general, and the policies of the Labour Party in particular, during the period leading up to the 1987 general election, in the hope of ousting the Conservative government of Margaret Thatcher.

Fronted by Billy Bragg (whose 1985 Jobs for Youth tour had been a prototype of sorts for Red Wedge), Paul Weller and The Communards lead singer Jimmy Somerville, they put on concert tours and appeared in the media, adding their support to the Labour Party campaign.

Noodle Vague, Friday, 9 May 2008 08:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

‘School fees…’ He had qualms about it at first, but all his children have been educated at private schools. Where he lives is not exactly the worst part of London, he says, but the local comprehensives were never an option. ‘I don’t want my kids coming home speaking like Ali G - I’m just not having it.’

Pinefox' secret identity revealed at last.

Noodle Vague, Friday, 9 May 2008 09:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

I blame Dizzy Heights.

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 9 May 2008 11:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

Glad someone finally used "changing man" as a headline for a Weller article, though

DJ Mencap, Friday, 9 May 2008 11:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

Natt is a nightclub promoter who is also working on his own recordings (he shares his father's obsession with style - he describes himself as 'a cross between Marilyn Manson and Victoria Beckham'. Weller has described him as 'a Moth - a cross between a Mod and a Goth').

DJ Mencap, Friday, 9 May 2008 11:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

It would certainly facilitate pulling out the cork.

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 9 May 2008 11:19 (eight years ago) Permalink

The Torygraph should perhaps do a Weller Tips For The Top: Where Are They Now? feature so that all Questions, Tracie, Stairs and Shootyz Grooves fans can be reassured.

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 9 May 2008 11:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

AAAAAAH!!! HE COVERED SISTER SLEDGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :)

Oh this is the DOPE:

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 08:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

My night just isn't going to get any better than this. Goodnight, ILX.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 08:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

There's no way somebody who has made the trilogy of fantastic albums from "All Mod Cons" through "Sound Affects" is by any means indefensible. Those were all ace.

These days his opionins on music are better than his actual own music.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 08:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

Geir, have you not heard 22 Dreams? I think you'd like it, a lot.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 09:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

"22 Dreams" is not at all bad. That is, at least most of the tracks are OK.

Speaking more of his albums from back when he was sort of a "spokesperson" for Britpop. He said a lot of great things in interviews, but his own music at the time was mainly boring blues rock, with way too much Free/Traffic and way too little Beatles/Kinks in it.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 10:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

Monday, September 15, 2008; Washington Post Page C04
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/14/AR2008091401883.html

From Paul Weller, Tasty Morsels of Jam

Combining the Clash's fury with the Who's flair, the Jam became the most commercially successful punk band in its native Britain. So it's all the harder for onetime Jam frontman Paul Weller, who performed Saturday at the 9:30 Club, to escape the legacy of that group -- even in the United States, where the Jam was never more than a cult attraction.

Weller's 9:30 set emphasized material from his nearly 20-year solo career, but was stoked by the promise of a few earlier numbers. If that formula seemed a bit coy, Weller's two-hour set could have been even more frustrating. He might have tried to reproduce the feel of his wispy new album, "22 Dreams," which dabbles in jazz, lullabies and electronica while reflecting on turning 50. Moving between guitar and keyboards, Weller plucked a few songs from "22 Dreams" but stuck to straightforward rock and soul tunes. During the first of three encore sets, the singer even teased the crowd with an unplugged version of the Jam's "The Butterfly Collector" and a snippet of the Who's "Magic Bus."

The audience was on Weller's side throughout the evening, especially when he played such up-tempo numbers as "The Changingman." Yet the biggest response came when the performer and his versatile four-piece band stormed into "A Town Called Malice," a strutting rocker from the Jam's final, funky period. Nothing could top that, not even the last of the many encores: a cello-driven rendition of the Beatles' "All You Need is Love." Weller had fought the Jam, and the Jam won.

-- Mark Jenkins

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 14:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

Wasn't worth the reprint.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 14:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

No doubt the Jam could have done with more synths and drum machines (e.g. Simmonds).

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 14:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

What kills me about that Sister Sledge cover is his faux American accent, and above all the way he adds the word "sharing" just before the word "together". "Sharing" was not in the original version, and his voice with the strings just slays me. It doesn't bother me that he's more restrained than the original version, either. Playing to his strengths on this one, I think. Weller's got a mighty spotty career, but this one is stellar on his part, I think.

The More You Live The Faster You Will Die (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, 27 September 2008 15:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

As I told Pfunk, I saw him live last week. I wasn't really sure what to think. He put on a spirited performance, and there were a lot of songs from 22 Dreams (his latest) but I reached a point when I'd had enough and I wanted to go. Later Pfunk sent me some stuff from people who were there complaining about the sound mix. It was a crappy venue, anyway. I guess I was naive to think he'd do some Style Council or well known Jam tunes in there. But even if 22 Dreams isn't perfect, I still really do love a few tracks off that a lot. Fave right now is "Invisible". Once again, I love his faux American accent (can I actually say that about any other UK singer? prolly not) and hell, you can even hear the noises of the piano in that, which is pretty special in my books. Weller is a tough dude. I mean, he's capable of some real greatness, and capabale of a lot of mediocrity, too. Take him or leave him, I guess.

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Sunday, 19 April 2009 23:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Saw him play on TV the other day. I just cannot get past his hair.

Sam Weller, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 12:47 (six years ago) Permalink

Get him a gift certificate from a hairdressers for Fathers Day then.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 12:50 (six years ago) Permalink

i saw him in town recently. he walked right past a mod shop. no shit. just cruised straight on past the mod shop without going in. he obviously didn't need anything in the mod shop that day.

gnarly sceptre, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 12:54 (six years ago) Permalink

True story: Paul Weller pushed passed my GF in an off licence a few years ago. Still haven't forgiven him.

Neil S, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 12:57 (six years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

keep it in here please lads

Pengest & Corsa (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 16 March 2017 20:45 (one week ago) Permalink

calzino, Thursday, 16 March 2017 20:57 (one week ago) Permalink

I think his recent stuff (i.e. 22 Dreams onwards) has been very good. You can pretty much split his solo career up into two eras, the first (Paul Weller up to As Is Now) is his Britpop period, if you'd like, and 22 Dreams onwards is a more confident version of his explorations in the late Style Council period, e.g. Confessions of a Pop Group.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Thursday, 16 March 2017 20:59 (one week ago) Permalink

he's all over robert wyatt's "shleep", which makes him all right in my book

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, 16 March 2017 23:05 (one week ago) Permalink

and he's on Peter Gabriel's third album.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Thursday, 16 March 2017 23:06 (one week ago) Permalink

Just on "And Through The Wire".

Weller's trilogy of "22 Dreams", "Wake Up The Nation" and "Sonik Kicks" is his best stuff since The Jam. It's like he discovered he wanted to be Bowie. I haven't been as taken with his more recent work but I'll still check it out.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 16 March 2017 23:29 (one week ago) Permalink

I've really found myself enjoying Saturn's Pattern recently. I wasn't sure about it at first, but now I really really like it.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Thursday, 16 March 2017 23:33 (one week ago) Permalink

this dude is a complete tosser, imo

a but (brimstead), Thursday, 16 March 2017 23:42 (one week ago) Permalink

As a person or musician? I used to think the latter but you gotta give his recent stuff a chance. Shocked me too!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 16 March 2017 23:47 (one week ago) Permalink

that was just a tossed off (hah) comment, no problem with him as a person, but i don't like his voice or his music very much

ok having now half-listened to "pick it up" and "the ballad of jimmy mccabe"... it's not for me

a but (brimstead), Friday, 17 March 2017 00:19 (one week ago) Permalink

Try "Wake Up The Nation", "Fast Car/Slow Traffic", "Green" and "Kling I Klang".

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 17 March 2017 01:01 (one week ago) Permalink

Aw, I really like 'Pick It Up' ...

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Friday, 17 March 2017 01:09 (one week ago) Permalink

I'll always keep an ear out, but buswise it's not a case of getting off as such, more a case of 'how many more Weller albums do you need? '

Mark G, Friday, 17 March 2017 07:46 (one week ago) Permalink

LOLZ...

he belongs among the greats: steve stapleton, yo la tengo, kid 606...
― mark s (mark s), Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:42 PM (thirteen years ago)

scott seward, Friday, 17 March 2017 11:37 (one week ago) Permalink

last paul weller i ever bought or listened to was the hot sound of "ghosts of dachau". that was enough for me.

scott seward, Friday, 17 March 2017 12:29 (one week ago) Permalink

Well, the "hot sound" comment is to describe 'Shout to the Top', which is one of The Style Council's best, IMO.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Friday, 17 March 2017 16:00 (one week ago) Permalink

i don't mean this in a mean way but i kinda consider the jam a youthful pleasure. loved those records when i was a kid and would never play them now. which is a little odd because i still play plenty of the stuff i loved when i was a kid. and its not the stridency and super-serious nature of a lot of jam either cuz i still listen to tons of punk and rap and metal.

scott seward, Friday, 17 March 2017 16:13 (one week ago) Permalink

I can kinda see what you mean... I still get a lot out of Jam stuff whenever I'm in the mood for it, but their music was at its most potent for me when I was in my mid-to-late teens. Which makes sense given how old Weller was when he wrote and recorded that stuff.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Friday, 17 March 2017 17:49 (one week ago) Permalink


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