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What are some of the best Cabaret Voltaire tunes? I don't really like too much of the stuff that I have hear from them, but I thought that maybe I missed some of their better material.

I think the tune Nag Nag Nag is ok...

Frank Booth (Frank Booth), Friday, 27 June 2003 05:39 (11 years ago) Permalink

"Why kill time when you can kill yourself," I like. I am currently killing time and it seems to me that this is a statement, not a question.

daria g (daria g), Friday, 27 June 2003 05:47 (11 years ago) Permalink

yashar

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 27 June 2003 05:51 (11 years ago) Permalink

"Motion Rotation" is quite good. Also "Kneel to the Boss".

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 June 2003 05:56 (11 years ago) Permalink

"Sluggin For Jesus" is pretty rad. i found the album micro-phonies for a buck and think it's worth every penny. it's a little dated at times, but it's pretty good. i'm still looking for 2x4.5

has anyone heard the Sandoz stuff? i listened briefly to the latest one (on SoulJazz) in the rekkid store and thought it was pretty hip (real dubbed out stuff). is it worth searching down?

JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 27 June 2003 06:28 (11 years ago) Permalink

i always found the sandoz stuff limited rhythmically somehow. i've got mates who used to swear by it, so i could be wrong. other than that i like it fine, can even overlook the overuse of a fake marimba sound.
i like the first few RTrade CV records quite a bit, but they sound brutal today. try red mecca. 2x45 incorporates some increasing rhythmic sophistication with this brutal sound (its where yashar is from...hmm, it probably sounds rudimentary too come to think of it)

the steven mallinder solo record is quite sparse and nice. i don't much like his stuff now (he lives in perth!)

ugh, more soon, i have to dress my kid...

gaz (gaz), Friday, 27 June 2003 08:07 (11 years ago) Permalink

one of the bands, who when they're good, they're fantastic but when they're crap, they truly are.

covenant sword and the arm of the lord, the singles on rough trade, the bbc radio sessions, crackdown, micro-phonies, yashar (tho not the new mixes), sensoria, crepescule tracks, actually, there's loads of good uns

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Friday, 27 June 2003 08:14 (11 years ago) Permalink

o yeah, covenant sword is one of my favourites. not widely respected, it always seemed to me one of those times where it clicked.

gaz (gaz), Friday, 27 June 2003 08:50 (11 years ago) Permalink

If yr dloading stuff the tracks off the 'Doublevision' Ep that came free w/some of the 'Crackdown' pressings are good, esp the title track and 'Diskono'.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 June 2003 08:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

In their, er, 'commercial' period, I reckon the album 'Code' is well worth a listen. I think Adrian Sherwood produced it.

One of Richard H. Kirk's projects with DJ Parrot, under the name 'Sweet Exorcist', is quite special. A merging of two very unusual talents. Look hard for an ep called 'Clonk's Coming' on Warp.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 27 June 2003 10:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

Do Right and Digital Rasta off Microphonies are both excellent.

I liked Hypnotised off Groovy Laidback and Nasty when it came out. I remember A Guy Called Gerald did a remix of it.

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 27 June 2003 11:13 (11 years ago) Permalink

what do you think of mallinders new stuff colin?

gaz (gaz), Friday, 27 June 2003 11:19 (11 years ago) Permalink

I like it! I've only heard the Ku-Ling Brothers first album. It's not the kind of thing I'd rush out and buy, but good if you like things trip hop/ d 'n' bish. What's your opinion?

Going from Sheffield to Perth is kind of an extreme life change I would think.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 27 June 2003 12:51 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'd recommend anything featuring Chris Watson on it--2x45, Live At The YMCA(poor sound, great performance), Three Mantras, and the new re-releases of OLD CV, from 1975/76 on Mute. I'd also rec. The Covenant, The Sword, The Arm Of The Lord(name taken from an underground Christian militia group in America)--good use of moody tapes and drum boxing.

Recordings not on Rough Trade or Some Bizzare, I don't care for. I can't dance, not in time with the music, anyway.

Stephen Boyle (SBoyle), Friday, 27 June 2003 13:24 (11 years ago) Permalink

o yeah, 3 mantras(...what was the third?) i love that record

and colin: he was once a kind of hero of mine so i don't want to say to much about mallinder i'm just not excited by the records.

gaz (gaz), Friday, 27 June 2003 13:33 (11 years ago) Permalink

"Sensoria" is the answer.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 June 2003 13:41 (11 years ago) Permalink

2X45 = dull sonic magma

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Friday, 27 June 2003 13:43 (11 years ago) Permalink

yeah, could be right...

gaz (gaz), Friday, 27 June 2003 13:48 (11 years ago) Permalink

2x45 is GREBT, I don't know what you mentalists are on about

(NB this was a band whom I worshipped in high school, so the standard exceptions apply, etc)

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 27 June 2003 14:34 (11 years ago) Permalink

third mantra = THE SOUNDS OF YR BODY WHILE YOU PLAY THE RECORD!!

mark s (mark s), Friday, 27 June 2003 14:36 (11 years ago) Permalink

Mix-up = difficult listening. I like it!

Mike Taylor (mjt), Saturday, 28 June 2003 00:57 (11 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
Well, it's obvious what my favourite CV song is.

... And suddenly Ian Riese-Moraine is a naked man saying, 'Volvo! Volvo!' (Easte, Sunday, 15 May 2005 21:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

Okay, it must be so obvious that I can't see it. Care to help me out a little? ;)

I'm still on a CV trip. Got around to listening to the 3rd CD of the "Conform To Deform" 3-CD set, this one being an Edinburgh gig from 1990 and I was really impressed. Most live gigs are either a bit too rough or a bit too rote and controlled, I think, but they pulled it off with grace. And it's interesting how tuneful the vocals suddenly got on their material then.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 12:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

Perhaps his fave CV songs is Easter Mantra?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 14:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Kino" and "I Want You" are my faves.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 17:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

Perhaps his fave CV songs is Easter Mantra?
Is that where "Western Mantra" is spliced with Associates - "Tell Me Easter's on Friday"?

... And suddenly Ian Riese-Moraine is a naked man saying, 'Volvo! Volvo!' (Easte, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

"The Dream Ticket"

"Seconds Too Late"

"Don't Argue" (Sherwood mix)

And a lot of Hai!.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

You never heard Easter Mantra?

I thought you knew your Cabaret Voltaire!

sorry.

favorites?

Is that the version of Don't Argue with the women singing "no no no no no, better watch yourself boy?" If so, put that on my list.

My faves:

Breathe Deep
Yashar (John Robie Re-production)
Invocation
Diskono
A Thousand Ways
Red Mask
Motion Rotation
Animation
Talk Over
The Set Up
Silent Command
Nag Nag Nag
Jazz The Glass
KNEEL TO THE BOSS!!!!
Sensoria
Trust in the Lord

for starters...

and I really love Richard H. Kirk's Virtual State, which doesn't get enough love.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

You never heard Easter Mantra?

I thought you knew your Cabaret Voltaire!

Uh, Ian was right. It's Eastern Mantra, not Easter. Looks like you and I both should brush up on our Cabs, Dan! :)

As for faves, I'd probably pick Code, Sex Money Freaks, Just Fascination, and Shakedown. But there are so damn many others, too!

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 21:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

I was kidding, dude.

the second time.

the first time was what we call a "typo".

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 21:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Kneel To The Boss" has been a long time fave of mine as well, along with "Messages Received".

The Living Legends is just a shit-hot compilation all around, even if I've heard half of it before. Much better collection of songs than that Original Sound of Sheffield 78-82 thing.

"Jazz The Glass" is about twice as good as I thought they were even capable of.

"A Thousand Ways" is also very good.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 04:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
Okay so I've heard Eastern Mantra now, I found a cheap vinyl copy. Is that thing even available on CD? Anyway I didn't like Western Mantra much, but I admit the Eastern side is rather mesmerizing, despite its length. It's all in that drumbeat, isn't it? Like a chipmunk got a hiccupy case of the blips.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Sunday, 26 June 2005 04:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

fans of that period stuff should check out the solo Mallinder records on Fetish. Like much Cabaret Voltaire, it doesn't really go anywhere, but damn does it sound good.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 26 June 2005 16:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've got Three Mantras on CD. It's definitely the beat and the faux-Arabian guitar -- and then throw in Mallinder barking over it as well as the subtle bassline that undulates and unwittingly helps propel it -- damn, I'm glad they made it over 20 minutes long.

Ian Riese-Moraine eats nation-states for breakfast! (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 26 June 2005 17:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, actually Dan I was just about to bring up the Mallinder album "Pow Wow" (or "Pow Wow Plus" on CD) which I recently got after seeing it in record shops for eons. I can't see any reason why it can't stand beside most Cabs stuff from the same era.

Anyone tried any Kirk stuff? Did he have solo stuff out then? I'm becoming such a fiend I'm even thinking of getting the silly Methodology mid-70's stuff, which I know I won't like most of, but that song "The Single" is so hilarious. I don't know how they even managed to record that without falling into fits of laughter in the process!

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Sunday, 26 June 2005 19:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

richard kirk's solo output is VAST, esp considering half of the Cabs output is essentially Richard Kirk solo! I tried to keep up for a while but lost track. Here's my understanding, following the discographies at his site

http://www.thegreedyeye.com/

His first release was Disposable Half Truths in 1980, was that on Industrial? Did Industrial still exist, I think he had something on Industrial. I've never heard this.

Then in 83 he put out Time High Fiction, which has similar art processing to the Crackdown but it more raw and experimental if I remember. It's supposed to come with a second record featuring 2 20 minutes songs but my copy had 2 copies of the LP! This is prob. the same time the Crackdown came out with the bonus ep(which, if you're unfortunate enough to have only found the single vinyl Crackdown, you need to get, because it is AWESOME.)

In 1986 he put out two records, one I have on vinyl, the other I downloaded. Ugly Spirit is raw, low-fi, industrial, perhaps closest to the Crepuscule period stuff. Black Jesus Voice however is a totally killer electro record. Great avant-hip-hop/breakdance stuff.

His next stuff would be the Sweet Exorcist records, which is listed on that site as a collaboration. I forget with home. Pretty essential early UK Bleep techno.

1993 I was a freshman in college and he started going crazy. First with 2 great techno CDs. I don't know which one was first. Sandoz was initially his "ethno-techno" project, songs built around african samples and such, and I remember loving the Digital Lifeforms CD, though I lost it ages ago. It's been reissued w/ bonus stuff. Then his first release as Kirk since 86 was his entry into the Warp Artificial Intelligence series, Virtual State. It fits in nicely with the surrounding records of the series, Aphex Twin as Polygon Window, Black Dog Productions, B12 etc. It's an exceptionally warm and beautiful techno record, when the idea of techno as music not made for dancing was an exciting idea. One of my favorite records of the period.

Around that time, he was using the Cabaret Voltaire name for mostly really long sample based ambient stuff that I never got that into. Then he started releasing stuff under a million names and I lost track. Recently he got more into some hard digital dub kinds of stuff, some of which sounded way cool. Nick Gutterbreakz writes about him a lot:

http://gutterbreakz.blogspot.com/

check the archives.

I have the 3CD cabs disk, but not the solo Kirk one, Earlier/Later.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 26 June 2005 21:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

ok, Disposable Half Truths came out in 78, on Industrial. The 1980 date may have been for a later vinyl pressing?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 26 June 2005 21:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
Okay, so I finally got the Richard H. Kirk album that one on Industrial Records, from 1978, which I realize now you already stated on this thread. The one called "Disposable Half-Truths".

And I was truly transported into an alternate reality. BEYOND anything Cabaret Voltaire have ever done. Beyond anything Cabaret Voltaire-related, even. I felt like I had been drafted into the movie "2001" and time was moving backwards at a very fast rate. This was NOT Kansas anymore, ladies and gentlemen.

I love that sped-up sample of the woman's voice, too where she keeps saying, in chipmunk fashion "no fucking chance at all...no fucking chance at all..." That is hilarious.

The Spiderwebbed Wilderness (Bimble...), Saturday, 6 August 2005 07:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

Also, it's a great album for people who want to scare the shit out of themselves in the dark at 4 am.

The Spiderwebbed Wilderness (Bimble...), Saturday, 6 August 2005 07:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...
There's 70 billion people in there ...

where are they hiding?

Duke Dubuque (Duke Dubuque), Saturday, 21 January 2006 16:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

one of my faves is 'Invocation' from a Crepuscule Xmas compilation (?), and yes--Jazz the Glass!

nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Saturday, 21 January 2006 19:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

God I love it when people post to Cabaret Voltaire threads besides me. Nerve Pylon makes a good point - I haven't dug out that Crepuscule Xmas comp since I went on my big Cabs phase this past year. I should get that out right now.

Bimble drinks silver coffee when you're fast asleep (Bimble...), Sunday, 22 January 2006 06:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

great comp, there's 2 slightly different versions of it. Said track, one of the the Cabs most haunting and beautiful, is also on the Cabaret Voltaire "Eight Crepuscule Tracks" CD.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 22 January 2006 15:24 (8 years ago) Permalink

"There's 70 billion people in there ..."

Love to know the origin of this sample - always puzzled me, as there aren't 70 billion people anywhere.

soukesian, Sunday, 22 January 2006 17:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

Sure there are, dude, come to my house.

Oh, sorry, they're ants.

Duke Dubuque (Duke Dubuque), Sunday, 22 January 2006 18:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

I actually have the 8 Crepusucle tracks CD, too, but honestly didn't listen very carefully because by that point I had been obsessed with Cabaret Voltaire for so long that I finally found a will to go on to other things.

Bimble brings a lawn chair to antartica so he can sit and drink silver coff (Bim, Sunday, 22 January 2006 18:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

thanks to this thread i am rediscovering the cabs. the far away guitar line in 'animation' is pure perfection. could be a while before i shift away from this particular groove, and i haven't even got to the Sensoria 12" (one of my faves of all time). lovely lovely.

almost makes me regret getting rid of 'groovy laid back and nasty'. almost.

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 10:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

it always amazes me that 'red mecca' doesn't get more love.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 11:24 (8 years ago) Permalink

I haven't listened to Cabaret Voltaire in years and once upon a time it was virtually all I ever listened to!

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 11:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

i started at the crackdown period and didn't really go back in time other than 'voice of america' which i just didn't like at all (still dont), so i didn't dare to tread into their other historical releases. i am fully aware i like their so called 'commercial' period .. with this in mind, should i still try 'red mecca' then ?

xpost : it has been years since i was in the mood for their funk, but today its not going to be anything else but - i just know it...

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 11:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

Photo finish with Throbbing Gristle

Tom D., Monday, 21 July 2008 09:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

well following that gig i posted about a few months ago (did anyone here go along ?) it looks like the 'band' are back.
just heard that they have remixed NZ band Koras.
well, it's not really 'they', as Mal is still remaining a silent partner, it's Kirk doing the work, a la Conversation era.
i've also heard that there are to be a couple of shows with a lot of emphasis on the visuals.

mark e, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 18:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

loving this declaration on the cd-r label : "forged in sheffield"

mark e, Monday, 24 November 2008 11:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

is there any way one can get said cd-r

J0hn D., Monday, 24 November 2008 11:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

attention any Cabs fans past or present btw, this is incredible: http://goatsend.blogspot.com/2008/08/cabaret-voltaire-rock-city-nottingham.html

J0hn D., Monday, 24 November 2008 14:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

What in god's name is better than this? WHAT?
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With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Thursday, 1 January 2009 22:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Thursday, 1 January 2009 22:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Over And Over" is the name of the song. What in the hell in this world is better than that? Please let me know.

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Thursday, 1 January 2009 22:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

dan selzer, Thursday, 1 January 2009 23:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

DAN! Thank you!!!

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Thursday, 1 January 2009 23:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

It's all about the drummer's mullet, btw.

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 02:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

just heard that they have remixed NZ band Koras.

this is now available in shops.
for those that remember, Fon Records bloke, Amrik Rai is behind the release, and getting RHK back in line with the use of the CV name.
the use of cut-up vocals and synths is very much in line with mid-80s CV, but the overall production is a lot more current sounding.
naturally, i love it.

mark e, Monday, 16 March 2009 14:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

billy ray martin covers the cabs : here

didn't expect this to work as well as it does.

mark e, Thursday, 4 February 2010 13:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

^ pretty good!

Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, that's the Billie Ray Martin cover btw.

Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 13:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

the roman polanski referencing video for the other version is also great :

mark e, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 14:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

Can anyone really cover Cabaret Voltaire successfully? I mean that Billy Ray Martin cover bears little relation to the original. Which in an of itself isn't a bad thing, of course, but are there any truly inspired Cabaret Voltaire covers?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 17:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

3 glasses of red wine + headphones = ordered the virgin/emi era box set.

whoo hoo.

v. excited.

this band needs more love.

simple as that.

mark e, Saturday, 5 May 2012 21:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

God damn it.


Western Works by StephenMal

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

NAG NAG NAG

I must be old, I recognise nobody in ITV2 idents (aldo), Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, just ordered the emi/virgin era boxset from vice friendly hipster based charity shop.

f*ckers better be on board with their 'nearly new description.

back on track : how massive is the 12" version of 'crackdown' ?

for years now, people have loved/sampled human league/mode et al for their 80s thing, but no-one seems to have picked up on the brilliance of this era

xpost : u know for years my all time jim'll fix it wish was to visit 'western works', whereas now, i suspect its just some laptop in RHKs kitchen.

which means that i guess its too late for RHK to get his payday, which is a real shame as this is easily my fave era of CV.

humph-sulk-humph.

mark e, Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Are the early lps getting a remaster at any point? Or have I missed that happening over the last couple of years. Love the music but wish I could hear it better.
Think I kind of cut off somewhere around '83. But love the earlier 3 piece stuff. Not so fond of them when they went primarily dancey though I did enjoy some of the later solo stuff.

Stevolende, Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

me and stevolende walk a different path.

as (s)he leaves, i enter the picture

i love all that early doors drum machine, synth + bass thing they had going on.

oh and re the early days material - as far as i know, mute have re-released it all on cd.

go a hunting ...

mark e, Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was in a band called Sensoria, that's how much credence we gave to it. Fkn love the Cabs.

I must be old, I recognise nobody in ITV2 idents (aldo), Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

But dancing to NAG NAG NAG at another ILXor's wedding.. damn.

I must be old, I recognise nobody in ITV2 idents (aldo), Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^

the first 12" i truly went 'oh my f*ckin' god, what is that ... ' to.

never heard it prior to buying it

.. just read the nme review while walking around, at the same time i bumped into record store guy as i read the review who asked if i wanted anything, i pointed to the review and said 'get me that in asap'

the rest is history.

if ever one review changed a life forever, then this was it.

no more indie loving c86 styled shyte for me .. twas all funked up juddering machine noise.

the fact that very little has ever come close to that 12" version of 'sensoria' means little, as the quest continues ..

mark e, Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

f*ck. xpost.

mark e, Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

just to clarify : my crappy diatribe relates to the sensoria 12", not nag nag nag.

mark e, Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

man does anybody know where the dialogue sample in "Gut Level" comes from? Have wondered for years.

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Agreed. What a record. xpost

I must be old, I recognise nobody in ITV2 idents (aldo), Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha, Sensoria for me & my friends was this HUGE embarrassment. We thought the Cabs were total genius, wrote that interlinking CV logo on desks & walls, and the guys at the record store weren't having it & then the new import single comes in and they condescend to playing it in the store for us. We got clowned. "Oh, yeah, you guys, this is fantastic, really deep shit." I like disco-era Cabs better now than I did then but to us at the time the rhythmic quasi-melodic non-ugly vocal style, the movement away from tight dubby atmospheres, was a betrayal of promise

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm assuming 'gut level' is pre-virgn era ?

in which case, you're going to have to go deep and ask the mailing list nerds ..

actually, i can do that for you ... was just trying to add some euro-styled drama to the proceedings ..

xpopst : sensoria = embarrassmet.

the mind is well and truly boggled. i have put headphones on, and blast that mofo. its shits all over the lo-fi shit that ilm underlines as the 'proper' CV era.

'ok, tis time for me to cut out as the 12" version of 'i want you' has hit the 'phones, and its quite clear this stuff rules my world and i no longer care about my kids.

mark e, Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

the mind is well and truly boggled. i have put headphones on, and blast that mofo. its shits all over the lo-fi shit that ilm underlines as the 'proper' CV era.

I don't think it's ilm that does that, just saddo Cabs fans like me - there are maybe 4 of us. General consensus on pre-Some Bizaree Cabs is that it hasn't aged well, I think, and that seems true some days and less true on others. I'm listening to the Nottingham live '82 tape that circulates now though...it's just...so much better than the banging dance tracks they ended up making. Which are fine, and banging, and if they hadn't made them, somebody else would have, because they're just not that distinctive, at least not next to the weird electro-dub stuff they got going around Red Mecca.

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wait - "Sensoria" was later. That seemed a little better. I'm thinking of the first single from the Some Bizarre era - Crackdown backed with This Fascination. There was a story in either NME or Melody Maker at the time that I read after that let's-listen in the record store, and the first line of it was "The Cabs fan was horrified." It was accurate in our small circle of 2.

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

fair enough.

u see i think in the mid-80s and onwards, richard-n-mal had a cool groove going on with their machines that i genuinely think no-one else had.

i listen to the early days stuff and to be honest, it does nothing for me.

i drop the 12" of 'crackdown' era and all becomes clear

mark e, Saturday, 5 May 2012 23:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

1st single from virgin era = crackdown/fascination 12" in '83

and its rather good.

not sensoria 12" good, of course, but nothing is ....

mark e, Saturday, 5 May 2012 23:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wait... what Virgin/EMI box set?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh, do you mean "Conform To Deform"?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

All three of the Virgin albums and Code are supposed to be remastered and reissued this year though, right? So that pricing on the Covenant CD is probably nothing much to worry about...?

Sean Carruthers, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

John Robie is the main man to blame/praise for CV going dance in '83, btw. Although, I'm sure he would think the dance era of CV would be crap too.

Code was my intro to Cabaret Voltaire, so the '84-'87 CV is distinctive to me. But nobody was doing the '74-'83 CV at all. It was the transitional "2 X 45" that's the best CV in retrospect.

ma ck ro ma ck ro (mackro mackro), Sunday, 6 May 2012 07:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

boxset = conform to deform

and yes, i've heard that they are to remaster the whole virgin set this year as well.

mark e, Sunday, 6 May 2012 09:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

But what of the Rough Trade material? Surely the truly classic stuff, the more other the better. Think the Mute cds are early 90s aren't they?

Stevolende, Sunday, 6 May 2012 10:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

I don't know whether I'm grooving hard to this because I'm pinin' for them days ov my youth or w/e, it's not like these are really the freshest beats in the whole world, in fact they sound quite dated to me but anyway if you love Stephen Mallinder you might get something out of this. BTW old dudes wtf with the clown costumes.

http://www.cityclouds.de/2012/10/hey-rube-can-you-hear-me-mutha/

Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 5 November 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

I played a show last week with Mal's other band Wrangler..Much more musically in common with CV than Hey Rube..

They played Crackdown and Sensoria as well as this version of Nag Nag Nag.

We played a cover of Seconds Too Late..

Talcum Mucker, Monday, 5 November 2012 22:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

wow.
that was ace.
ta for the pointer.

mark e, Monday, 5 November 2012 22:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

9 months pass...

So the details on the Virgin years boxset are finally available. Gotta say, I'm a bit disappointed that the video-only Gasoline In Your Eye tracks aren't included on the CD itself. Also missing is "Empty Walls", the b-side of "Just Fascination".

CD
1. Micro-Phonies
Do Right
The Operative
Digital Rasta
Spies In The Wires
Theme From Earthshaker
James Brown
Slammer
Blue Heat
Sensoria

2. Drinking Gasoline
Kino
Sleepwalking
Big Funk
Ghost Talk

3. The Crackdown + EP
24-24
In The Shadows
Talking Time
Animation
Over And Over
Just Fascination
Why Kill Time (When You Can Kill Yourself)
Haiti
Crackdown
Diskono
Theme From Doublevision
Moscow
Badge Of Evil

4. The Covenant, The Sword And The Arm Of The Lord
L21ST
I Want You
Hells Home
Kickback
The Arm Of The Lord
Warm
Golden Halos
Motion Rotation
Whip Blow
The Web

5. Cabaret Voltaire 83-85 12" As and Bs
Just Fascination (12'' Version)
Crackdown (12)
The Dream Ticket (12'' Version)
Sensoria (12'' Version)
James Brown (12'' Version)
I Want You (12'' Version)
Safety Zone (12'' Version)
Cut The Damn Camera (12'' Version)
Bad Self Pt.1 (12'' Version)
Drink Your Poison (12'' Version)
COMA (12'' Version)

6. Earthshaker
Earthshaker 5
Earthshaker 1
Theme From Earthshaker (Sheffield Mix)
Digital Rasta (Dub Version)
Earthshaker 3
Whip Blow (Instrumental Dub)
James Brown (Instrumental)
Golden Halos (Instrumental Dub)
Earthshaker 2
Cut The Damn Camera (Sheffield Mix)
Do Right (Cut Up Mix)
Earthshaker 4

DVD
7. DVD1
Bedford Boys Club 18.08.84
Intro
Crackdown
Sensoria
Just Fascination
Safety Zone
Ghost Talk
Digital Rasta
Kino
Do right
Hammersmith Palais 02.12.84
Mao Intro
Animation
Big Funk
Sensoria
Digital Rasta
Japno
Ghost Talk
Sleepwalking
Kino
Do Right

8. DVD2.
Gasoline In Your Eye
Introduction
Crackdown
Diffusion
Sleepwalking
Slow Boat To Thassos
Sensoria
Automotivation
Big Funk
Kino
Ghostalk
Fadeout

DVD Extras
Just Fascination 7” Mix
Sensoria 7” Mix
I Want You 7” Mix
I Want You 12” Mix

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 13:36 (10 months ago) Permalink

think i may skip this.

i have the cds (and vinyl) , the original sound of sheffield comp, the deform boxset (which i have yet to dive into actually !)

which just about covers the virgin era.

ok, there is matter of the remastering, but to be honest, i have no problem with the virgin era cds.

there is of course 'earthshaker' and 'gasoline' ep, lets just hope that gets a separate release at some point.

mark e, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 14:24 (10 months ago) Permalink

You haven't spun the Conform box you ordered over a year ago? Get to it, man!

You're also missing the "Listen Up" odds and sods comp of the Virgin years. Definitely the least of the material but the high points are excellent.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:46 (10 months ago) Permalink


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