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wHaT CyBeLe sAiD:
Why are there so many more huge dancehall acts (Sizzla, Warrior King, Capleton, Bounty Killer, Beenie Man, Anthony B etc.) who do conscious stuff in comparison to hip hop? Sure, there's your Sean Pauls, but those guys seem much more attractive to the chart rap audience. I have my own ideas for an answer (or answers) to this question, but I'd be interested in hearing what you folks have to say.

u TeLL me!!

― FrEdDuRsT{{HELLA}}, Saturday, 21 June 2003 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

i said on the other thread too. they ALSO do non-"conscious" stuff I think just like many rappers do both. there's not the DIVIDE is the thing coz there isn't the demographic which could base itself in that semi-priv position mainly maybe because jamaica as a whole is so depressed economically. (alt haha joke: its a black country so there's no white backpackers!)

additionally tho dancehall doesn't sitch itself as much against OTHER musics to the same degree? so the function served by R&B not to speak of popetc. has to find a single outlet?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 22 June 2003 06:01 (twenty years ago) link

no, really, Sterling, fuck you

― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 22 June 2003 08:31 (twenty years ago) link

because jamaica as a whole is so depressed economically. (alt haha joke: its a black country so there's no white backpackers!

I mean who besides the ultimate worldwide asshole champion even thinks of saying this shit

― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 22 June 2003 08:33 (twenty years ago) link

Um, i thought it Millar. Seriously, so much of hip hop's construction *is* influenced by its existence within the context of western pop/rock music, which seems to replicate divisions b/w populist/intelligent at every level. The only western music dancehall takes heaps of cues from is (street) hip hop itself, so it's entirely possible that the necessary divisions we take for granted are just not an issue.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 22 June 2003 08:51 (twenty years ago) link

this is weird cz i wz thinking of cybele's question last night also, in ref louis prima (haha of all ppl)

anyway i'll post my louis prima thread a bit later and we'll see if i was awake or alseep when i tht what i tht

fwiw i agree w.tim and sterling except i think the thing being said is really hard to say in a way that's clear, or not read judgmentally when it wasn't intended judgmentally, or whatever

LOOK I NEED THREE CUPS OF COFFEE JUST TO GET DRESSED THESE DAYS!!

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 22 June 2003 09:21 (twenty years ago) link

also to further unpack ( = unfunnify) sterl's alt joke, jamaica is small AND poor (like say, india or nigeria are "black" also but they surely do have this divide)

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 22 June 2003 09:26 (twenty years ago) link

teaching mark s a *LESSON* response four: LOUIS PRIMA

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 22 June 2003 14:56 (twenty years ago) link

Tim I wz referring to the white backpacker comment mostly

― Millar (Millar), Sunday, 22 June 2003 15:14 (twenty years ago) link

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