Defend the indefensible: Mick Jagger Solo

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I can't. Not even based on Performance.

― J (Jay), Friday, 20 June 2003 17:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

You're sitting down on your butt
And your get greedy
You start to lose your nuts
Don't you look seedy
Can generosity bring you humility
So take a deep breath

Ain't gonna sweat for you
Ain't gonna sigh for you
Ain't gonna cry for you
If you're lazy

Ain't gonna slave for you
Ain't gonna hurt for you
It just won't work for you
If you're lazy

― Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

I didn't mind "Just Another Night," but more for the utterly ridiculous video than for the song itself.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

If it weren't for Mick Jagger solo we wouldn't have gotten "Talk is Cheap."

― TMFTML (TMFTML), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

You're supposed to defend him.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

Where's Jann Wenner? Wasn't Goddess In the Doorway something like "best album ever"?

― ham on rye (ham on rye), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

Has anyone else ever fallen so far for so long? I can't think of another great rock star who has absolutely no defenders anymore.

― Ben Williams, Friday, 20 June 2003 18:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm one of the biggest Stones fans you'll find but even I can't do this.

I was really excited to hear Wandering Spirit because of Rick Rubin's involvement, but it was the same ole Mick dreck.

His best non-Stones stuff has been collaborations with others, "Don't Look Back" with Peter Tosh and "State of Shock" with the Jacksons.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

don't you look seedy, mr. diamond!

― Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

Didn't he do a single with the Jacksons? Like "State of Shock" or something?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

erm... "seedy"?

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

(glad to see Alex reads my posts)

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

I like Alejandro Escovedo's version of "Evening Gown", which was from Wandering Spirit.

― ham on rye (ham on rye), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

The hidden track on Goddess (a country blues tune with just Mick and a piano) is really, really nice. There was one other decent song on there. That's about as good as I can do.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

this is obviously impossible, but if you really want to do the research check the last track on the most recent one. is it called Goddess? I can't remember. There's this weird track of a recording of him in a hotel lobby or something? I'm not sure...it's really great though

― steve k (http://go.to/stevek) (stevek10), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

(glad to see steve k reads my posts)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Party Doll" from 'Primitive Cool' was OK

― dave q, Friday, 20 June 2003 18:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

A friend of mine said that WWII spy movie with Kate Winslet was okay.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

Rolling Stone gave Goddess in the Doorway five stars, so somebody out there must like it.

― Evan (Evan), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

yes, Jann "Mick Jagger's old business partner" Wenner

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 20 June 2003 18:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

Keith Richards by himself is equally unbearable.

But isn't the "Performance" OST version of "Memo From Turner" officially a Jagger-only song?

― Chris Clark (Chris Clark), Friday, 20 June 2003 19:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

Keith Richards solo is great. Talk is Cheap was a fuck of a lot better than Dirty Work.

And Live at the Hollywood Palladium was a wonderful, fun record.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 20 June 2003 19:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

Keith Richards solo, while disappointing, is not indefensible. That's why this thread is about Mick Jagger solo.

However, I will check out that missing track from Goddess, although there's no way that fucker's getting me to buy his CD.

― J (Jay), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

Mick Jagger is looking more and more like Linda Hunt, who at this point is probably a better songwriter.

― ham on rye (ham on rye), Friday, 20 June 2003 22:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

my lord, "Let's Work" came on VH1 Classicks - very hard to believe he'll ever do anything worse than that (ie. the only way is up!)

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 20 June 2003 23:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Let's Work" is indeed the pits. Talk is Cheap has some good stuff but this thread isn't about him etc.

― Sean (Sean), Friday, 20 June 2003 23:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

i like the song he does on the late 80's SNL rerun I somehow manage to see every once in a while ("I don't evah wanna see yaw picture no mo'", whatever it's called).

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 21 June 2003 00:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

dint he do that one with bill laswell?

― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 21 June 2003 02:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

I know it's not about him, sorry, but I really love "Talk is Cheap"! 'Take it So hard', 'Locked Away', 'You Don't Move Me', blah blah... luckt it was recorded when he could still sing to some extent. Actually count this completely unrelated post as a bit of defence of Jagger, his solo stuff leading to this record was a good thing. If I see one of his solos for $1 I might get it and try again...

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Saturday, 21 June 2003 02:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

"God Gave Me Everything" was kinda ridiculous, not least for the inclusion of Lenny Kravitz (with whom he also descrated Bill Withers' "Use Me" sometime earlier).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 21 June 2003 03:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

Since this is turning into a 'Talk is Cheap' thread I'll say I just like it better all the time too! "How I Wish", "Struggle" and "Make No Mistake" especially

― dave q, Saturday, 21 June 2003 08:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

one of life's great mysteries ... the guy who co-wrote some of the greatest rock songs evah also wrote "let's work."

"mick likes a lot of shit" -- keith richards.

― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 21 June 2003 11:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, "Struggle" is great. "Whip It Up" too!!

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 21 June 2003 17:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

he shoulda just made disco albums. he has nobody to blame but himself though. when you have access to just about any and every songwriter and musician on earth-most of whom would be happy to play or write with you-and this-this,being most of his solo stuff-is what you come up with...? it's just weird.

― scott seward, Saturday, 21 June 2003 17:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

the ABSOLUTE BEST bit in 'American Psycho' is when someone says they saw Jagger at a party and Bateman sez "Oh yeah I know who he is...'Just another night, just another night...'"

― dave q, Saturday, 21 June 2003 17:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

sly and robbie+slash on guitar+emotional rescue falsetto+ a song even half as good as one hit to the body= a hit every time! maybe. i mean it ain't brain surgery.

― scott seward, Saturday, 21 June 2003 17:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

I dug "God Gave Me Everything I Want" as much as any of Keith's solo stuff (which does seem a bit more consistent overall, I'll admit).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 June 2003 18:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ha! I just won tickets in the residents' ballot to see The Rolling Stones when they play the Twickenham Stadium in August.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Saturday, 21 June 2003 18:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

(two questions: 1. how long will it be before Graham is forced to create a "Defend the Indefensible" category... and 2. Wouldn't Defend the Indefensible be a great name for an Emo band?)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

2. Wouldn't Defend the Indefensible be a great name for an Emo band?

"defend the indefensible: emo" is a great idea for a thread!

― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

< insdistinct voice from within the cornfield>
If you post it...they will come...
< /insdistinct voice from within the cornfield>

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 21 June 2003 21:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

His backing vocals on Carly Simon's "You're So Vain" make it her best-ever song.

But if you REALLY wanna howl, check out his work with "Papa" John Phillips..."She's Only 14" especially.

― Chris Clark (Chris Clark), Sunday, 22 June 2003 13:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

In the 2001 Pazz & Jop, three critics voted for Goddess in the Doorway: Carol Cooper, J. Eric Smith, and David Wild. I don't remember reading any Smith and Wild, but Carol Cooper is no dummy, and the fact she likes it makes me want to hear it (though I haven't yet). She also voted for Brooks & Dunn, Fela Kuti, and 3LW. Wild voted for Tony Bennett. Smith voted for Bjork and for Afroman. The latter vote makes me want to read some Smith.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 23 June 2003 09:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

royally defensible

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Mick Jagger to Get Knighthood From Queen
She's the Boss.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

now mick is just another knight

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

hahaha!

― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 21:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Keith Richards is not amused.

The legendary Rolling Stones' guitarist has flown into a rock and roll rage against Mick Jagger over the singer's decision to accept a knighthood, the ultimate nod from the British establishment.

"I don't want to step out onstage with someone wearing a coronet and sporting the old ermine," Richards told British music magazine "Uncut" in an expletive-rich interview.

"I told Mick it's a paltry honor ... It's not what the Stones is about, is it?"

The Stones, still rocking after 40 years, made their names with crunching rock classics including "Satisfaction," "Street Fighting Man" and "Brown Sugar."

A 1967 Stones' album was entitled "Their Satanic Majesties Request."

Despite his near spotless rebel credentials(????), Jagger, 60, is scheduled to become "Sir Mick" at a Buckingham Palace ceremony on December 12.

He will join British musicians Paul McCartney and Elton John who have already been knighted by Queen Elizabeth with a touch of the sword.

Richards' own chances of arising Sir Keith, already thought slim after 59 years of hard living, will have receded even further.

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 4 December 2003 19:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

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here are some of those red devils sessions: http://unheard78.blogspot.com/2009/08/mick-jagger-red-devils-famous-blues.html

― tylerw, Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

I hope they tour the shit out of that.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

TS: Superheavy vs. Satellite Party

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

"this cultural one-stop shop"

why is dave stewart in such high demand? has he done anything cool since the eurythmics? he seems to have this weird poor man's rick rubin reputation for no apparent reason.

― om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

i hear he has a killer wine cellar.

lol at wikipedia
Initially conceived to help promote the launch of a new platform being developed by Nokia for entertainment media on their smartphones,[citation needed] the band was originally composed of The Rolling Stones lead vocalist Mick Jagger, former Eurythmics guitarist Dave Stewart, Devon singer Joss Stone, and Bob Marley's youngest son Damian. Jagger and Stewart then called in Indian musician A. R. Rahman[2]
Eventually the Nokia deal collapsed.[citation needed] They decided to continue, presenting themselves as having formed completely on their own, and not as a somewhat prefabricated unit, put together mainly for a communications corporation.[citation needed] The group began the works of their self-titled debut album in early 2009 when Jagger, Stewart, Joss Stone, Damian and Rahman experimented at a studio in Los Angeles, trying to "write songs which had meaning". They recorded about 35 hours of music with some songs originally lasting "an hour and 10 minutes" before they were whittled down.[3] The album was previewed at Jim Henson Studios, Los Angeles, on 30 June 2011. The band played eight of the recorded songs at the event.[4] Their debut single, "Miracle Worker", released on 6 July received mostly positive reviews.[5][6]

― tylerw, Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

he seems to have this weird poor man's rick rubin reputation for no apparent reason.

A good way of putting it. Maybe his guitar squiggles and beard signify sincerity. He's done decent yeoman's work for Bryan Ferry.

― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

experimented at a studio in Los Angeles, trying to "write songs which had meaning"

like robots

― (oboe interlude) (schlump), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

everyone looking pretty uncertain here

― tylerw, Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

ok listened to this twice god knows why...

but...like how could this be 10X worse than it sounds on paper? yet, it does! how is that even possible?

― om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

which one is Dave Stewart?

― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

the hat/glasses/beardo

― tylerw, Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

my joke didn't work this time :/

― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

ha, i see now

― tylerw, Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

Let me point out for the record that Jagger's sports coat was fashionable in 1986.

― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

Clearly Stewart is simply on the rebound from the disappointing failure of Platinum Weird:

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Good god, what type of nonsense was that. Makes Chris Gaines look straightforward.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum_Weird

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

Basically, dude is like the British Don Was. Cred at some point, mostly known these days for being one of the few guys able to tolerate the whims of the rich and famous in the studio. Because I mean, God only knows what it's like to produce Mick Jagger.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

Good god, what type of nonsense was that. Makes Chris Gaines look straightforward.

Wikipedia entry definitely a must-read for fans of failed elaborate memes.

― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

I can defend Stewart on the basis of Curve alone, but that's about it.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

hm yeah, platinum weird! never heard of it. an elaborate, fascinating backsto ....zzzzzzz.

― tylerw, Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

You know the problem with Platinum Weird? Too weird.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 August 2011 21:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

It had to happen:

The Dave Stewart Search for Commercial Success and Vague Respectability In His Own Right Again Please Thread

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 August 2011 21:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think dinosaur types pick stewart because the last time they were vaguely aware of contemporary music Eurythmics were big

― buzza, Thursday, 4 August 2011 21:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Him or Jeff Lynne, right?"

"Yeah...let me check..."

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 August 2011 21:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

This is pretty much the culmination of everything Keith Richards was talking about wrt Jagger in the last half of his autobiography.

― righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 4 August 2011 21:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

super heavy mk. I

― om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 August 2011 21:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

that was sad

― buzza, Thursday, 4 August 2011 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

i thought the tubby bass player was brian wilson at first. also weird to see richard manuel

― buzza, Thursday, 4 August 2011 21:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

WHHUU-UH-UH-UHT THE FUUUUUUUCK IIIIIISSS GOOOOO--IIIIIING AWWWWN?

― om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 August 2011 21:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

I thought that was Richard Manuel playing drums! Wonder why they didn't show pictures of him with the Band like they did with Sebastian, McGuinn and dude from the Rascals.

― righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 4 August 2011 22:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

Waitaminute if that is Manuel, it was probably filmed right before he killed himself. That is sad.

― righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 4 August 2011 22:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

My favorite Mick solo tune: "Throwaway," one helluva rocker from '87 with fiery Jeff Beck guitar.

― livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 August 2011 22:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

xpost and, uh yeah, pics of Ronnie Spector too, duh.

― righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 4 August 2011 22:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

kinda like that song.

― tylerw, Thursday, 4 August 2011 22:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^very yacht.

― Mucho! Macho! Honcho!: Turn Off The Dark (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 5 August 2011 00:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

WHHUU-UH-UH-UHT THE FUUUUUUUCK IIIIIISSS GOOOOO--IIIIIING AWWWWN?

― om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, August 4, 2011 4:59 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

― goole, Friday, 5 August 2011 00:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

jesus christ that video. I had to watch it twice now. I guess that's what happens when you form a band almost entirely consisting of singers.

― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Friday, 5 August 2011 00:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

maybe entirely? not sure about bass player dude from NRBQ

― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Friday, 5 August 2011 00:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

This needs Annie Lennox.

― saint dominic's p4k review (Eazy), Friday, 5 August 2011 00:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

My heart is deep in the countraay
But I life for the citaaaaay.

― buzza, Friday, 13 January 2012 23:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

He'll always have Don't Tear Me Up, which is better than any Rolling Stones song from the last uh, 30 years.

― kornrulez6969, Saturday, 14 January 2012 01:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Morbid curiosity about video with Richard Manuel upthread

― Fotheringeir (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 January 2012 06:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

Yikes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlXnJgJJzck

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 September 2012 18:12 (8 months ago) Permalink

I remember seeing this at the time, everyone was talking about it the next day.

― don't slip in mud (Matt #2), Monday, 10 September 2012 18:19 (8 months ago) Permalink

This thread exists so that one of us can post the latest version of "Let's Work" some hardy soul uploaded.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 September 2012 18:29 (8 months ago) Permalink

And I am glad for that.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 September 2012 18:31 (8 months ago) Permalink

GUESS AH'VE GOT THE WINNIN' TOUCH

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 September 2012 18:49 (8 months ago) Permalink

Eurgh.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 September 2012 18:58 (8 months ago) Permalink

The songs with the Red Devils (link above is dead) are actually pretty decent. Not great, not as good as the Red Devils' album without Mick Jagger, but decent.

― 誤訳侮辱, Monday, 10 September 2012 19:09 (8 months ago) Permalink

I liked She's the Boss when it came out. Decent band line up too, Laswell and his normal group of cronies who also worked on the Burning World (Swans) and PIL's Album.

― akm, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 04:20 (8 months ago) Permalink

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