― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:51 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:53 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:58 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:02 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:06 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:08 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:09 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:10 (twenty years ago) link
― David Allen, Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:10 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:26 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:31 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Brian the Snorf, Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:59 (twenty years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 15 June 2003 05:09 (twenty years ago) link
― adam west (adamwest), Sunday, 15 June 2003 05:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Al (sitcom), Sunday, 15 June 2003 06:12 (twenty years ago) link
me: is this a coke ad?
nancy: yeah, i think so.
me: this sure has been on a long time
nancy: yeah.
me: holy fuck, this is that r kelly song everyone on ilm is talking about!!
nancy: wow.
me: i hope they play it again.
me: is THIS a coke commerical?
nancy: i'm really confused now.
― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 06:19 (twenty years ago) link
22. Am I the only one who thinks he sounds like he's been through some shit on this song? Maybe that's my projecting real life onto the song. There's just way too much soul for a song about downing mix drinks, and you can almost here him trying. I mean, it sounds like he really needs to have fun this freakin' weekend or he's gonna stress out.
Actually, that's only in part of the song, and that juxtaposed with his obvious lust for partying has a great effect.
― Adam A. (Keiko), Sunday, 15 June 2003 06:22 (twenty years ago) link
― trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 15 June 2003 06:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 15 June 2003 07:32 (twenty years ago) link
― nick.K (nick.K), Sunday, 15 June 2003 08:00 (twenty years ago) link
'thru ma 'fro' - wordplay. sweet.
― s.r.w. (s.r.w.), Sunday, 15 June 2003 09:47 (twenty years ago) link
26. There's something about the production that sounds stripped down just enough so it seems to (cough) "bear the devices"--I'm thinking of the drum fills just before the chorus, and the aforementioned synth line, even the way he double-tracks his vocals ("Sippin' on coke and rum [rum]/I'm like so what I'm drunk [drunk]")....It's like each device calls a bit of attention to itself because the overall production is so sparse (by contemporary standards). Even the relatively langorous way he sings "bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce" (I take it she's bouncing very slowly) calls more attention to that word than a typical R&B/hiphop track where "bounce" would be one of a zillion instructions spit out in 20 seconds or less.
― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:20 (twenty years ago) link
28. The good grammar: "Food everywhere / as if the party was catered"
― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:22 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:23 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:25 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:37 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:39 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:42 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:46 (twenty years ago) link
I'd like to hear R. get busy a capella like on the second track of Night Beat.
― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:49 (twenty years ago) link
― nick.K (nick.K), Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:07 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:16 (twenty years ago) link
*I have also expressed the same feelings about this song, but I was wrong.
― Neudonym, Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Neudonym, Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:22 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:36 (twenty years ago) link
42. Because the entire first verse has been reconstructed to sound like it's a prelude to a song that then (once the chorus kicks in) suddenly exists.
― Neudonym, Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:42 (twenty years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:43 (twenty years ago) link
44. r kelly has never once sported a 'fro to my knowledge
45. does this mean he referring to hair, um, elsewhere than his head?
― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:44 (twenty years ago) link
he struck me as a complete tosspot long before those stories emerged, for what its worth (apparently nada)
― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:52 (twenty years ago) link
Wait so is this solicitation open to like anybody orrrrr
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Monday, 27 September 2021 23:58 (two years ago) link
lol
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 00:00 (two years ago) link
I googled him and this turned up, not sure why he would want to bring it to JD's attention 17 year later on a thread. Must not like small doggies.
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/dogs-rspca-animal-courts-injury-20505119
― Pfunkboy AKA (Oor Neechy), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 00:17 (two years ago) link
It was forksclovetofu who said it, not J0hn, and forks was (ill-advisedly) quoting a Chapelle Show skit rather than making an actual threat
That said, the cursory glance through the old posts I took shows Robert was coming at this from the same place I ended up, namely a Black man really fucking tired of white people lapping up the R. Kelly Minstrel Show, only he got there way before Trapped in the Closet happened, which was my breaking point
― talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 00:20 (two years ago) link
That totally makes sense, and yeah, reading old R Kelly threads is definitely a fucked-up experience. I've talked about it a lot with friends irl, too - while we may not have known the extent of what he was like, we heard accusations and rumours and completely took part in the diminishing of them to salve our own consciences. Fucking fucked up.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 00:39 (two years ago) link
I can’t check back on the thread but imo anyone lashing out about long-ago hurt on an R Kelly thread gets a pass today, a day in which Kelly has been found guilty and faces life in prison
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 00:46 (two years ago) link
(RL’s post made me check & learn the above, so it’s likely that other posters today are operating without that context too)
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 00:52 (two years ago) link
Thanks, sic. I was missing that context.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 01:03 (two years ago) link
Just read up on it too, so apologies for my flippant post to Robert.
Not a fan of r kelly's music, I honestly could only name one of his songs, and have always found him creepy (I remember the allegations he was married to Aaliyah when she was 15 more than anything about his music) but he certainly deserves to spend a long time in jail for what he has done.
― Pfunkboy AKA (Oor Neechy), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 01:04 (two years ago) link
I see Robert Lashley won the WWE championship earlier this year, so congratulations Mr. Robert.
Happy to say I never danced to or bought the token hype for Ignition rmx. I’m with you: Fuck R. Kelly.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 10:24 (two years ago) link
It's a light jam, it's kinda hard to hate on even discarding the token hype or knowing what kind of person the artist is (which I certainly didn't when I first heard Ignition remix). I'm kinda flummoxed by people's zeal to reevaluate and declare artists off-limits to protect their own online reputation and integrity. "I never", "I always", "I, I, I" - does anybody care ? I guess the shadow of scandals is nothing new in entertainment, but that's not a good place of judgment, and for me that would be super inconsistent with the criminal artists I keep on my playlists (whether it's Ranking Dread, Michael Jackson, or Burzum).
― Nabozo, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 10:56 (two years ago) link
I'm not aiming at anyone in particular btw, just the internet.
― Nabozo, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 10:59 (two years ago) link
Think you should try not to judge others on the morally bad musicians they listen to, except in the cases that they are giving said artist money to pay for lawyers (so buying their records, if they are alive) or if it's like Skrewdriver and they are getting brain worms. As far as I'm concerned personally it isn't even a choice, I couldn't bear listening to RK now, even MJ makes me feel a bit queasy.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 11:13 (two years ago) link
The sad thing is that even long after MJ's death, his estate is still actively paying lawyers to fight his victims and "protect his legacy".
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 12:20 (two years ago) link
Yeah Ignition rmx is a light jam but there are thousands of light jams from the era and people in this thread and other zines where still pushing it as one of the best songs of the decade and the allegations where strong even then.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 15:45 (two years ago) link
Yeah Ignition rmx is a light jam but there are thousands of light jams from the era and people in this thread and other zines where still pushing it as one of the best songs of the decade and the allegations were strong even then.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 15:47 (two years ago) link
*were not where
What's for sure is that I would not even know who R Kelly is without this song. The only other I've heard by him is Down Low nobody has to know.
― Nabozo, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 15:52 (two years ago) link
You all have known and enabled this asshole for nearly two decades by hyping up this “light jam”
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 15:57 (two years ago) link
sorry about that
― frogbs, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 15:58 (two years ago) link
Fucking zines centered on indie and rock just couldn’t do without their token r&b pick, could have just filled the spot with Mark Kozelek or Ryan Adams or Real Estate.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 16:02 (two years ago) link
I was just thinking how, like in 2012, there were so many "Ignition. Is. The. Greatest. Song. Of. A. Generation." articles and then the entire song was basically memory-holed in the last few years
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 16:05 (two years ago) link
Were there not any women making r&b music in the early 2000s then?
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 16:06 (two years ago) link
xpost Which you couldn't do for, say, "Billie Jean" or even "Rock & Roll (Part 2)"
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 16:07 (two years ago) link
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, September 28, 2021 12:06 PM (thirty-eight seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
Let's not forget that people lost their minds when Spin DARED to put Beyonce on the cover in 2006. Times change.
https://www.gawker.com/180780/the-new-spin-dont-you-know-things-can-change-things-can-go-your-way-or-not
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 16:08 (two years ago) link
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, September 28, 2021 10:57 AM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
r. kelly was a massive star with number one hits in multiple decades. the pass he was given for far too long is despicable, and it diminishes the sin on the part of the industry and fans to reduce him to just the "ignition" guy
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 16:21 (two years ago) link
otm
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 16:23 (two years ago) link
― Nabozo, Tuesday, September 28, 2021 11:52 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
You've never heard I Believe I Can Fly?
― J. Sam, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 19:44 (two years ago) link
or "You Remind Me of Something," the stupidest ballad in R&B history?
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 19:45 (two years ago) link
like my bank accooooooooount
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 19:47 (two years ago) link
Or Bump N Grind, or Your Body's Callin', or Fiesta, or Step (In The Name of Love), or World's Greatest, or about a billion other songs that got a shit-ton of play all over the place (let alone how long he dragged out Trapped In The Closet)
― talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 19:51 (two years ago) link
"Step (In The Name of Love)" is one of the few I can stand these days.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 19:56 (two years ago) link
"You Remind Me of Something," the stupidest ballad in R&B history
That video was the first I saw of him, and still the only song of his that I've really heard; based on that I thought he was something like the R&B Tenacious D.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 20:10 (two years ago) link
you should (shouldn't) hear "the zoo"
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 20:32 (two years ago) link
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, September 28, 2021 5:24 AM (ten hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
He’s being convicted for raping women not recording the ignition remix
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 20:57 (two years ago) link
all over the placeit is possible that Nabozo lives in a different place
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 21:17 (two years ago) link
not sure whether this has also been ruinedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuY1rt4qp5M
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 21:17 (two years ago) link
― xheugy eddy (D-40)
By not giving him money via streams or buying his records I was indirectly not helping him pay for lawyers to continue with all the raping. Some people would rather believe that over-selling his music as “best song of a generation” and writing articles about it and voting for his music in End of Decade lists in fucking 2010 is all in good fun because there’s no way he received any money from it right?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 22:42 (two years ago) link
Abused in his youth… an addict as a adult… Ike Turner served 18 months in prison.. Rick James did similar time. Ike came out a changed positive human being. How long should R Kelly spend in prison -and does a USA system give a man a chance for a man to change his world around?— Chuck D (@MrChuckD) September 28, 2021
― Pfunkboy AKA (Oor Neechy), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 22:51 (two years ago) link
(xpost)
Hail Moka, full of taste, preiscience is with thee. Blessed art thou among ilxors and blessed is the fruit of thy music purchases. Holy Moka, accountent of ethics, have mercy on us listeners now and in the future should an artist we enjoy be exposed as a sexual preditor. Amen.
― BrianB, Tuesday, 28 September 2021 23:21 (two years ago) link
If there's a civil suit and Kelly's future royalties get awarded as damages to the plaintiff, do the songs become ethical to stream again
― Nature's promise vs. Simple truth (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 01:32 (two years ago) link
no bc spotify still gets some iirc
― balance transfer eligible (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 01:55 (two years ago) link
It was forksclovetofu who said it, not J0hn, and forks was (ill-advisedly) quoting a Chapelle Show skit rather than making an actual threatThat said, the cursory glance through the old posts I took shows Robert was coming at this from the same place I ended up, namely a Black man really fucking tired of white people lapping up the R. Kelly Minstrel Show, only he got there way before Trapped in the Closet happened, which was my breaking point
yeah Robert was right in the thread he's ref'ing and few who posted to it, myself included, have much/anything to be proud of.
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 02:22 (two years ago) link
Ok I did see Space Jam - have not heard any of the others - and I do live in a "different place".
― Nabozo, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 05:41 (two years ago) link
Hardly prescient, he’s been a known sexual predator since 1994.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 09:18 (two years ago) link
it's not *really* comparable but watching how Nicki Minaj has tried to use the R Kelly model and failed to distract from some serious allegations about her and her husband, I feel a bit more optimistic that there won't be anyone getting a "pass" on this level again, and I hope this marks a serious change in how the industry deals with situations like this.
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 09:25 (two years ago) link