100 Reasons Why "Ignition - Remix" Is So Damned Great

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1. The rhythm is really insistent without being hard - it's got this sort of bossanova groove, just bubbling under the song, easing it gently but irresistably across

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:44 (11 years ago) Permalink

2. Writing a good "weekend" song is hard to pull off. I fear that the guy who prompted me to begin this thread will say "Nonsense! Anybody can write a good 'weekend' song!" When I see his "weekend" song on the charts, I will concede his point. Until then, I'll note that many, many "weekend" songs are released each year, but very few of them actually poke their heads above the surface. This is because most of them sound forced. R Kelly's greatest gift is his ability to sound natural; engaged; genuine. Even when he's singing in a very mannered fashion.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:46 (11 years ago) Permalink

3. How is this song in particular a good "weekend" song? For starters, there's the delay in mentioning the weekend. Note a shitty "weekend" song, Loverboy's "Working for the Weekend," for purposes of comparison, which shoots its entire wad in the chorus's first line & then has nothing compelling to say.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:48 (11 years ago) Permalink

4. Not so "Ignition - Remix." R Kelly delays the song's moment of revelation until the chorus's second to last line:

This is the remix to ignition
Hot and fresh out the kitchen
Mama rollin that body
Got evey man in her wishin
Sippin on coke and rum
I'm like so what I'm drunk
It's the freakin weekend baby
I'm about to have me some fun

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:50 (11 years ago) Permalink

5. I mean, Jesus Christ, you might as well fault Bob Marley's heartbreaking Wait In Vain because its substance is facile

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:51 (11 years ago) Permalink

6. "it's not rocket science" right right insofar as rocket science is boring

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:51 (11 years ago) Permalink

7. But to return to the lyric - what could be funnier than R Kelly's ongoing project of writing new lyrics in which to identify that the version you're hearing is a remix? Think R Kelly doesn't know that that's funny? Where the hell's my boy Trife, he knows what that kind of thinking is called: "racism."

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:53 (11 years ago) Permalink

8. Of course Kelly knows that it's funny to lead of a chorus with a line like "this is the remix to ignition." Kelly's whole persona, aside from his public/non-album one which has gotten completley away from him, is a greatly controlled, beautifully constructed thing. It's the good-time-lovin'/deep-thoughts-thinkin'/survived-it-and-came-to-tell-you-how-it-looks-from -the-mountaintop friend from your own neighborhood, assuming that your neighborhood was a poor neighborhood in the midwest. (More on this momentarily.) He knows his audience, and his audience wants him to keep it light when he's making a party song. That's what this is about.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 03:58 (11 years ago) Permalink

9. Here's where that "more on this momentarily" comes in. Your neighborhood probably wasn't Kelly's poor midwestern block, right? Wrong! Of course it was! Because he goes to great pains to universalize that neighborhood, not through long dull paragraphs like these you're presently reading, but by the miraculously casual tone in which he delivers songs that are anything but casual. Try "The World's Greatest": think there was no malice-of-forethought behind the "ad-libbed" part at the end where he substitutes "I done made it" for "I made it"? Think again. That's there by design. It sells you exactly what you're accusing Kelly doing accidentally: it convinces you (successfully, I'd add) that there's no artifice, no craft to it.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:02 (11 years ago) Permalink

10. Therefore, R Kelly has won and the terrorists have lost.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:02 (11 years ago) Permalink

11. The extra beat! The extra m*therfu*king BEAT! It's a held chord, is what it is, but it's the last thing you'd expect - right on the line "Bouncin' on 24s," right when you'd expect it to either go back to the tonic or jump into the chorus, and it just

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

12. hangs

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

13. there

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

14. And then we enter into the levels of reference again, which is where I get completely dizzy "Rollin' on 24s/while they say on the radio": what do they say? Oh, good God, they say what critical theory thought they'd say: "This is the remix to igntion"

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:08 (11 years ago) Permalink

15. which is to say that the song describes a party where they're listening to the radio play a song describing a party where they're listening to the radio playing a a song describing a party where they're listening to the radio playing a song describing a party and well you get the general idea

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:09 (11 years ago) Permalink

16. Which is joy itself! The song has absorbed its creators, its listeners, everybody!

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:10 (11 years ago) Permalink

17. I take back what I said earlier about the song being dumb

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:10 (11 years ago) Permalink

Holy crap.

David Allen, Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:10 (11 years ago) Permalink

18. I'm saving the rest of this for tomorrow's Last Plane to Jakarta update, I have to be at work in seven hours (it's midnight now) and I can't stay up any later yammering on about a point as glaringly obvious as the greatness of this wonderful, wonderful song

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:11 (11 years ago) Permalink

you maniac

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:26 (11 years ago) Permalink

(if anybody's interested, I really will finish this tomorrow, will probably both post it here & to LPTJ - warning, it'll probably also include why "The World's Greatest" is also quite triffic)

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:31 (11 years ago) Permalink

19) Rum and coke is severely underrated and underrepresented in the world of weekend party booty jams.

scott seward, Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:39 (11 years ago) Permalink

yeah but then he mentions crystall and god knows that's overrepresented

Brian the Snorf, Sunday, 15 June 2003 04:59 (11 years ago) Permalink

"Cristal," actually: personally I liked that weird moment that was all about Alize. Anyway, lovely, John, except the thing about "World's Greatest" is that he does that thing where suddenly he's turned into Sam Cooke, and while that's not nearly a bad thing I still have this reaction where I go "WTF, why is R Kelly turning to Sam Cooke?" and it distracts me from the song itself. (This also has to do with the fact that there's this guy who used to sing in the Chicago subways and was basically a really good Sam Cooke impersonator, and I start feeling like he's on the radio, and that's also disorienting.)

nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 15 June 2003 05:09 (11 years ago) Permalink

bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce

adam west (adamwest), Sunday, 15 June 2003 05:24 (11 years ago) Permalink

20. the vocal phrasing on the line "that's why I'm all up in ya grill/tryin' to get you to a hotel", hiccuping extra syllables out of the vowel sounds in a great rhythm which I've most definitely ripped off for a hi-hat pattern.

Al (sitcom), Sunday, 15 June 2003 06:12 (11 years ago) Permalink

21. in the car, 2 months ago:

me: is this a coke ad?

nancy: yeah, i think so.

me: this sure has been on a long time

nancy: yeah.

me: holy fuck, this is that r kelly song everyone on ilm is talking about!!

nancy: wow.

me: i hope they play it again.

nancy: yeah.

me: is THIS a coke commerical?

nancy: i'm really confused now.

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 06:19 (11 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Al, that's a good one.

22. Am I the only one who thinks he sounds like he's been through some shit on this song? Maybe that's my projecting real life onto the song. There's just way too much soul for a song about downing mix drinks, and you can almost here him trying. I mean, it sounds like he really needs to have fun this freakin' weekend or he's gonna stress out.

Actually, that's only in part of the song, and that juxtaposed with his obvious lust for partying has a great effect.

Adam A. (Keiko), Sunday, 15 June 2003 06:22 (11 years ago) Permalink

23) i played it at this party and everyone was juiced and all these punk rock girls sang along with the BUT SO WHAT IM DRUNK line!!

trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 15 June 2003 06:34 (11 years ago) Permalink

It occurs to me I've not heard this song.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 15 June 2003 07:32 (11 years ago) Permalink

24. He spreads the melodies through the lines, in fact he carries the flow of a particular harmony across a whole verse like... er..... Dose One, I guess.

nick.K (nick.K), Sunday, 15 June 2003 08:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I like the colour scheme in the video - it stood out on MTV

'thru ma 'fro' - wordplay. sweet.

s.r.w. (s.r.w.), Sunday, 15 June 2003 09:47 (11 years ago) Permalink

25. That synth line in the background of the chorus! It sounds like the Human League!

26. There's something about the production that sounds stripped down just enough so it seems to (cough) "bear the devices"--I'm thinking of the drum fills just before the chorus, and the aforementioned synth line, even the way he double-tracks his vocals ("Sippin' on coke and rum [rum]/I'm like so what I'm drunk [drunk]")....It's like each device calls a bit of attention to itself because the overall production is so sparse (by contemporary standards). Even the relatively langorous way he sings "bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce" (I take it she's bouncing very slowly) calls more attention to that word than a typical R&B/hiphop track where "bounce" would be one of a zillion instructions spit out in 20 seconds or less.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:20 (11 years ago) Permalink

27. The asides in the lyrics: "I'm like, 'So what...'"

28. The good grammar: "Food everywhere / as if the party was catered"

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:22 (11 years ago) Permalink

29. I have to say this song fills me with a slight bit of hometown pride (I know someone who went to R. Kelly's high school! etc.) despite his rather foul offstage behavior. I picture R. hanging out at one of those massive Jackson Park BBQs with ragga blasting out of 10-ft-high amps.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:23 (11 years ago) Permalink

30. "I don' normally do this but, uh..."

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:25 (11 years ago) Permalink

31. When in fact he does normally do this - unless there's some Ignition Mega-Mix 12" coming (we should all be so fortunate), Kelly is claiming that he doesn't normally release the remix at all, then saying he'll let you hear a little of it, and then just playing it.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:37 (11 years ago) Permalink

32. And, well - precisely: this is more of that quality Kelly brings to the table that has enabled him to stay strong at the cash register longer than many: it's the dreaded "A" word, you know, "authenticity," all the baggage that carries.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:39 (11 years ago) Permalink

33. Not the authenticity of "here's my soul," though that's in there, too, and more about it later. The authenticity of "here's what I got, seems good, I'm not gonna mess with it much more." The authenticity of sufficiency, not excellence. The authenticity of excellence is exactly why so many people vomit when other people start goin' on about authenticity.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:42 (11 years ago) Permalink

34. I'm like, so what, I'm drunk.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:42 (11 years ago) Permalink

35. But what we're going to have to come back to is what Nabisco brings up & it's where any hyperbole in which we've been engaging will really find its feet and start doing the Charleston. "WTF, why is R Kelly turning into Sam Cooke?" because R Kelly is Sam Cooke

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:46 (11 years ago) Permalink

36. OK I have to go to work now (it's a quarter 'til seven in the morning), everybody keep the reasons coming

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:46 (11 years ago) Permalink

Sam liked 'em young too. Hopefully R. will not share his ultimate fate however.

I'd like to hear R. get busy a capella like on the second track of Night Beat.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:49 (11 years ago) Permalink

I have to drive 8 hours today and I haven't slept a wink!

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:49 (11 years ago) Permalink

37. YOu don't even need to own a copy to hear it all the time, just turn on the radio, or if you live in the city open the window.

nick.K (nick.K), Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:07 (11 years ago) Permalink

38. i dislike it profusely

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:15 (11 years ago) Permalink

39. It makes me want to buy a shotgun.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:16 (11 years ago) Permalink

40. stevem and Alex are...The No-Fun Brigade!*

*I have also expressed the same feelings about this song, but I was wrong.

Neudonym, Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:20 (11 years ago) Permalink

41. Because the video has a 360-degree shot of R.'s incredible braidwork, and a funny "white guy learns to dance" part, and shout-outs to dead homiez.

Neudonym, Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:22 (11 years ago) Permalink

don't get me wrong - i don't think its THAT bad, i just have no real feeling for it at all thats the problem. it doesn't excite me, it doesn't make me smile or anything. i wouldn't dance or wave a bottle of beer to it. thats not a flaw on my part or a flaw on the part of the song. JOhn makes good points about the track that i appreciate. and if you're able to ignore the fact that R Kelly is a complete tosspot then more power to you.

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 15 June 2003 16:36 (11 years ago) Permalink

RUNNIN HER HANDS THROUGH MY FRO
BOUNCIN ON 24S
WHILE THEY SAY ON THE RADIO

im on the moon btw (The Reverend), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 08:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

RUNNIN HER HANDS THROUGH MY FRO
BOUNCIN ON 24S

this is indisputably one of the best rhymes ever

waka flocka pedia (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 08:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'M LIKE SO WHAT I'M DRUNK

im on the moon btw (The Reverend), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 08:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

367. How the outro serves as a summarizing conclusion to the rest of the song.

im on the moon btw (The Reverend), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 08:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://open.spotify.com/album/1f0S7pJCiCC6reYPB7Ypzo

SMOOTH JAZZ COVERS OF KELLS' GREATEST HITS!

Dwight Yorke, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 16:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's unbelievable to me that a human being actually wrote this song -- it's such an accepted and perfect american monument that it's easy to forget that it had to be formulated in r. kelly's head and worked on and perfect and honed and all that. at this point it just exists as something that... represents us that it's almost like it was here before we all were. it's like the statue of liberty or something.

hitler runoff (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 11 March 2010 19:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

anyway

368. how guttural yet clear and pristine he sings "mama roooollin that body" -- he hits such a perfect balance that it's the only line i refuse to sing along to because he just sings it too perfectly that i don't want to deny myself the opportunity of hearing it again

hitler runoff (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 11 March 2010 19:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's unbelievable to me that a human being actually wrote this song -- it's such an accepted and perfect american monument that it's easy to forget that it had to be formulated in r. kelly's head and worked on and perfect and honed and all that. at this point it just exists as something that... represents us that it's almost like it was here before we all were. it's like the statue of liberty or something.

― hitler runoff (J0rdan S.), Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:26 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is crazy talk, the whole song is so much more a natural extension of the artist's catalog/persona than it is a universal standard singular hit song

some dude, Thursday, 11 March 2010 20:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

i mean "I Believe I Can Fly" fits your description way more

some dude, Thursday, 11 March 2010 20:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

well... i think it's both a universal standard hit song & and an extension of kelly's catalog -- i wasn't trying to imply that it was an outlier or anything -- it's just so perfectly constructed to me that it's almost inhuman

hitler runoff (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 11 March 2010 20:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

uh oh – auteur theory at work!

The Magnificent Colin Firth (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 March 2010 20:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

ha

guapism rules (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 March 2010 20:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

369. I've always felt like it sounded like a 70s soul song, but for seven years it escaped me exactly just which one. Then it hit me, it sounds like "Let's Do It Again" by the Staple Singers!

you might be a goon but what's a goon to a viking? (The Reverend), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 11:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

370. Who are from Chicago. Just like R. Kelly. And it was written and produced by Curtis Mayfield, also a Chicagoan. I was in Chicago for a week or two last summer, and both those songs feel exactly like Chicago during the summer.

you might be a goon but what's a goon to a viking? (The Reverend), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 11:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

371. Back to the dancehall inflection on "Mama ROLLIN that body". He really drives the point home with the even more affected "LISTEN NOW!" that follows in the background, as if to remove any ambiguity that he knows exactly what he's doing.

you might be a goon but what's a goon to a viking? (The Reverend), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 11:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

372

Ward Fowler, Friday, 11 March 2011 21:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

^not one of them

40oz of tears (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

this is, i think, at least a little offensive to ppl that use ASL ("look at how they ~talk~") but g-d i lol'd ok

catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 22:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

Released 10 years ago today.

jaymc, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 18:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

I can't even believe that. Am I just getting old, or has the entirety of post 2000 time blurred together into one big indigestible mass?

Dominique, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 18:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yes.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 18:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

kids still love this song.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 21:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

also 2003 was fucking amazing, so expect a lot more of these "omg no wai 10 years ago" deals

billstevejim, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 21:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

we get links

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 16:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

There was no "Ignition" (orig mix), was there?

Mark G, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

Crying 4 u

The Reverend, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 17:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

it was a radio hit before the remix dropped. it's on The Chocolate Factory directly before the remix. it's a fucking awesome song, and I hate that the remix has so totally eclipsed it for most people.

xp

Doctor No Cassie (some dude), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 17:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

I saw Will Oldham and Matt Sweeney cover the original "Ignition" in 2004.

jaymc, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's not a bad song, but I've been disappointed when I've come across "Ignition" but not "Ignition (Remix)" in karaoke books.

jaymc, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

Almost disappointed that there was an "original", it'd be a bit KLF if it didn't though.

Will have to hear it.

Mark G, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 17:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah I was DJ'ing for some kids one time early 2004 and I accidentally played the original version. they were like literally teenagers though so i think i cared more than they did.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

There was no "Sex In The Kitchen" (orig mix) though, was there?

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 21:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

these songs are on platinum-selling albums guys, jeez

Doctor No Cassie (some dude), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 21:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

this is like when kids think the Jerry Lewis voice was originated by The Animaniacs

Doctor No Cassie (some dude), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 21:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

I feel sorry for anyone not familiar with the joys of "GIRL. I'M. READY. TO. TOSS. YOUR. SALAD." tbh

The Reverend, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 22:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

just remembered this topped Stylus' best-of-decade list three years ago.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 22:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha i knew al was gonna flip at that post

k3vin k., Wednesday, 23 January 2013 22:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Okay, but there was no "Snake" (orig mix) though, was there?

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 22:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

乒乓, Sunday, 27 January 2013 05:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

times change :-(

caek, Saturday, 15 March 2014 23:22 (7 months ago) Permalink

you can't play this at a wedding anymore, right?

caek, Saturday, 15 March 2014 23:22 (7 months ago) Permalink

yeah the good old days when people were more willing to overlook that he had raped several girls...??

dyl, Saturday, 15 March 2014 23:59 (7 months ago) Permalink

jesus christ if you had to vet the personal history of every musician before playing their song at a fucking party.

acluelessdic (some dude), Sunday, 16 March 2014 00:31 (7 months ago) Permalink

Um a lot of ppl'd get off fine, this fuck wouldn't, boo fuckin hoo

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Sunday, 16 March 2014 01:32 (7 months ago) Permalink

wow this brings it back omg no wai etc

into the aerosmith, over the sea (Hunt3r), Sunday, 16 March 2014 02:08 (7 months ago) Permalink

sorry my post was a little harsh but that is the only difference between then and now that i can think of so i find it difficult to feel sad that i won't be hearing this at many weddings as a consequence

dyl, Sunday, 16 March 2014 05:13 (7 months ago) Permalink

I'd gladly support the creation of a "100 Reasons Why 'You Remind Me of Something' Is So Damned Great" thread

Frontier Psychiatrist, Sunday, 16 March 2014 09:38 (7 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

I'd be amazed if you could come up with more than 2

Neanderthal, Thursday, 3 April 2014 21:48 (6 months ago) Permalink

be amazed

1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Friday, 4 April 2014 10:41 (6 months ago) Permalink


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