― Daniel, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (8 years ago) Permalink
― M. Matos, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Kerry Keane, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (8 years ago) Permalink
― m jemmeson, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Billy Dods, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (8 years ago) Permalink
If you like Caetano, you may want to check out his son--granted, it doesn't quite have the depth, but it's definitely intriguing. And if you like the Norte album, you may like Arto Lindsay. He's part of the no-wavers and did a lot of skronking in downtown NYC in the early Eighties with Ambitious Lovers and DNA, but the last three albums he's made (two for Bar-none, one for Righteous Babe) have been bossa electronic records which are quite amazing. Especially the two earlier ones, Noon Chill and Mondo Civilizado--a great blend of traditional with some Bahia influences and kinky electronica. He does some of the translation for Veloso's last record.
Another couple of people that may intrigue you are Vinicius Cantuaria, Veloso's ex-guitarist, who is quite a songwriter in his own right, and Tom Ze, another exponent of the Tropicalia movement which Veloso is a part of. As always, Os Mutantes is a great band to start with, as it contains the genesis of the weird hybrid Brasilian music that we hear now.
― Mickey Black Eyes, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (8 years ago) Permalink
Thanks for the tip, Michaelangelo, about Estrangeiro. I tend to avoid the compilations, though.
And thanks to Mickey Black Eyes - can I call you Mickey? - for recommending Livro.
Mickey mentioned Mutantes. They're being heavily namedropped at the mo. If you like that, then you have to try Secos e Molhados, a gently psychedelic band from a similar period (not sure exactly). Their singer, Ney Matogrosso, has a spectacular voice.
Arto Lindsay is indeed marvellous. I particularly like Prize, but that's more a question of circumstance than any great critical commentary.
Vinicius Cantuaria - thanks I'll have a look for his solo work.
Back to the Caetano question, did he do anything work seeking out in the sparkly spangly eighties? (those sleeves... I've never been brave enough)
Hey, this message board's good isn't it?
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (8 years ago) Permalink
And I'm assuming that you're already familiar with Gilberto Gil and Milton Nascimento, not to mention Astrud and Joao Gilberto. Have you heard Bebel Gilberto's album? It's quite interesting as well-- production by Suba, Amon Tobin, Fila Brasilia, and Thievery Corporation. I'm kind of out of the loop as far as trends go, but I know there's a huge underground swell of Brasilian-influenced electronica--Nicola Conte, Tobin, Thievery, Fantastic Plastic Machine, Da Lata, et al... while it's certainly not traditional songcraft, some of their work is very cool. Reflecting some of that futurist instinct of much Brasilian work.
Cheers
― Momus, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (8 years ago) Permalink
Take a look at Brasilia! It's this very chic, ultra-contextless and yet historically relevant thing. Very hard to explain, but it's kind of the same way electronica is designed to be ironic and yet free of constraints--always future.
I suppose that could be a formalist construct, but I'm not sure how relevant it is to helping you decide what music to get. Not to turn this thread into a discussion of J-pop... but people like Shiina Ringo and Chara, all the way downtown to Kahimi Karie or Takako Minekawa, Cornelius, et al of the "Shibuya" sound. And all of their friends, and their friends' friends. Very much this arch, hip thing that is very Brasil too. Especially the Brasil that Westerners have stereotyped--take the album covers by Thievery Corporation and its downtempo brethren etc, it's all very cool and yet ironic, so that it's removed from ridicule.
Phew, now that I've managed to make this even more confusing, I'm going to stop. :)
In a way, our (this generation's) legacy might be much more attuned to collage works--the conflagration of different styles, melting attitudes. Hopefully our cultural references won't be ridiculed in a couple of decades, but who knows? Maybe we'll be hip again because we're so cheesy for trying to be so hip (about cheesy stuff.) I have faith, though, that some sincerity and longevity will come out of this, and not as a result of quoting and Rauschenbergin'.
p.s. I'm burning a couple of cds of Brasil/influenced songs for a DJ friend of mine--and it occurred to me to add some names of electronic and other artists that might be fun for you to check out.
old school: Marcos Valle, Baden Powell, Bola Sete, Vinicius DeMoraes, Gato Barbieri, Airto Moreira new school: Nicola Conte, Truby Trio, Suba, Smoke City, Da Lata, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Marisa Monte, Carlinhos Brown, Soulstance
And Daniel, you really shouldn't avoid A Arte de just because it's a compilation--it's one of the most perfect records ever made.
― M. Matos, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Daniel, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (8 years ago) Permalink
A lot more to say, but it's time I went to work and did some mundane crap.
Speaking of lovely, I am swooning over the new Finley Quaye. It's definitely not everyone's cup of tea, but every once in a blue moon, when it's on, it's ON! Damn!
― Mickey Black Eyes, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (8 years ago) Permalink
Michaelangelo - maybe I shouldn't be snobbish about compilations such as a arte de, but I got exasperated in Brazil with record shops thinking that back catalogue meant putting loads of compilations on the shelves.
Interesting that you put Sakamoto on your Brazilian compilation?!!?
Mickey - thanks for all your recommendations and comments. Brasilia - bloody mad place and frankly not very likeable, but i know where you're coming from. I follow what you say about futurism/optimism, but so much Brazilian music is drenched in melancholia. They don't seem to care about people seeing their dirty washing!
― Daniel, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Carlos Lopes, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Ron, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Daniel, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (7 years ago) Permalink
I had 'Tropicalia 2' but I sold it fairly quickly - it sounded a bit clean to me.
Does he do his own whistling? Because the whistling is fantastic on 'o Leonzinho' or whatever it's called.
― Sister Disco, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Paul, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (7 years ago) Permalink
― daniel, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 3 February 2003 18:34 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Rockist Scientist, Monday, 3 February 2003 20:37 (6 years ago) Permalink
― christoff (christoff), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:46 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:50 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:54 (6 years ago) Permalink
Um, I know it's been a few years, but Daniel are you done with the mundane crap yet? I find your's and Mickey Black Eyes' comments about the Brasil and Japan parellels really interesting, and I think France could also be added to these comparisons.
(I think i may have just made some connections about one of the reasons I like foreign or really cheesy styles so much)
I second Sister Disco's sideline.
― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 6 October 2003 03:01 (6 years ago) Permalink
― hstencil, Monday, 6 October 2003 03:19 (6 years ago) Permalink
Anyway, yeah I just recently purchased Bicho and Joia, and I quite frankly cannot believe how great they are!!!!!
Joia in particular is a fascinating record; a cycle of miniatures which are all really affecting and impeccably arranged. I've always been a fan of Caetano but it may very well be my discovery of this record which catapulted him into genius status. He has an amazing ear for pure sound - knows the way fundamentally simple instrumentation can create perfectly rich sound worlds. He knows what he's doing.
Bicho is totally cool! It's Caetano going funk and it's extremely great! I saw him live last year and He performed "Gente" from Bicho! It was great; he fuckin' rules!
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 6 October 2003 03:25 (6 years ago) Permalink
"Gente" is a GREAT song
― Sonny A. (Keiko), Monday, 6 October 2003 03:28 (6 years ago) Permalink
Caetano Veloso - Livro, Domingo, Cores Nomes, Joia, Eu Nao Peco Desculpa( I've already got a few self-titled ones and cinema trans)
― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 6 October 2003 15:38 (6 years ago) Permalink
I stand by my callthat livro is the ninth bestalbum ever made
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 6 October 2003 17:29 (6 years ago) Permalink
I've also acquired Livro and Joia. The revival of this thread has been great as I have omitted to seek out Cores e Nomes, but shall rectify that asap. I agree with your call, A Nairn, about French music being added to the list. The chanson was the first sentimental music I ever admitted to liking and it works by dint of its being French.
It's funny to re-read Mickey's post on futurism above, after all this time. I wonder if his Blue Eyes had been blinded by Brasilia (Niemeyer and his sexy pavilion?). I'm not sure if the Japanese model quite applies to Brazil, but there is such freshness infused in the Brazilian aesthetic. Certainly not sure if the Thievery Corp is necessarily the answer to all our prayers.
― Daniel (dancity), Monday, 6 October 2003 19:58 (6 years ago) Permalink
― leigh (leigh), Friday, 11 June 2004 12:21 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Tim Ellison, Friday, 11 June 2004 13:39 (5 years ago) Permalink
It hasn't been dispatcehd yet though - is this a good place to start?
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:50 (5 years ago) Permalink
― dleone (dleone), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:14 (5 years ago) Permalink
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:25 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Kevin Erickson, Saturday, 12 June 2004 06:28 (5 years ago) Permalink
Anyway - HELP ME I CAN"T STOP LISTENING TO CAETANO VELOSO
― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Saturday, 26 June 2004 21:02 (5 years ago) Permalink
― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 26 June 2004 23:31 (5 years ago) Permalink
― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Sunday, 27 June 2004 02:53 (5 years ago) Permalink
― no opinion, Sunday, 27 June 2004 04:10 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Brad Laner (Brad Laner), Sunday, 27 June 2004 04:37 (5 years ago) Permalink
I MUST KNOW IF ANYONE BOUGHT THE BOXSET ???
― Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 27 June 2004 04:58 (5 years ago) Permalink
― no opinion, Sunday, 27 June 2004 06:44 (5 years ago) Permalink
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― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 19 October 2006 18:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Canto do Povo de um Lugar" from Jóia just keeps being the best piece of music I've ever heard. The cover of "Help" on the same album and "Tudo tudo tudo" are also fairly spectacular. Probably the only musician I venerate (I usually find that practice fucking ridiculous).
― jim, Thursday, 21 June 2007 00:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh the last two tracks from Jóia are also brilliant. I really can't talk about Caetano enough.
― jim, Thursday, 21 June 2007 00:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Ce" reminds me in spirit of Gainsbourg's "Melody Nelson" record. Same grotty guitars (albeit much better produced)and similar vocal stylings.
― kwhitehead, Thursday, 21 June 2007 00:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
I love how Caetano's vocal gets thinner. There is real pathos in some of Ce, like minhas lágrimas, hearing the same man you've heard as a carefree youth all these years in his classic records starting to be somewhat damaged and aged.
― jim, Thursday, 21 June 2007 00:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
Search for the three minutes of cutesy happiness that is Um Canto de Afoxé!
― blunt, Thursday, 21 June 2007 01:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
About Todo Caetano — I don't have the box set itself, but I've purchased some individual discs from it on Ebay. The mini-LP style repackaging is nice; some of the discs are remixed/remastered in a way that is usually quite sumptuous but tends to remove the bite from the drums (maybe a compression issue?), especially on the first (1967) and second (1969) eponymous albums. The '67 album also has a couple of tracks out of order.
I would search Muitos Carnivas (jolly & festive), Muito (quiet and pacifying) and of course the great Tropicalia: Panis et Circensis. The compilation I have is Antologia 67/03, which has a lot of great music and non-chronilogical sequencing that doesn't make a whole lot of sense; not a bad sampler, anyway.
― eatandoph, Thursday, 21 June 2007 02:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
Wow I didn't even know of the existence of Ce.
― Daniel Giraffe, Thursday, 21 June 2007 07:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
Man, I really kinda hate Ce now. But Caetano continues being the most important solo artist in my life. Listening to Cavaleiro a lot recently. Pop legend, knows so much (and shows it) about Brazilian music. Also is so conscious as he plays with the male/female role with Brazilian numbers.
― what U cry 4 (jim), Monday, 29 December 2008 03:58 (10 months ago) Permalink
His singing here blows me away:
― Jazzbo, Monday, 29 December 2008 13:34 (10 months ago) Permalink
― Plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 29 December 2008 15:01 (10 months ago) Permalink
New Caetano album basically like a more mellow cê, assume it's the same band, very similar sound.
Only a few tracks on it I really like, A Base De Guantanamo probably the highlight for me, really repetitive mantra like chorus.
― languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 13:52 (5 months ago) Permalink
Oh and it's called Zii e zie: transambas.
Bit more Brazilian sounding, less based on rock rhythms, but the same production and reliance on electric guitar + electric bass & drum kit.
― languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 13:55 (5 months ago) Permalink
that sounds amazing!
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 13:56 (5 months ago) Permalink
A friend played Bicho, Veloso's stab at a late seventies Boz Scaggs record, over and over after a few glasses of wine. Marvelous.
― I yanked that sucker hard, and work it did. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 November 2009 05:58 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
yeah owned 'Bicho' for about 10 years or more, never felt "Boz Scaggs" but whatevs
awesome record
― Stormy Davis, Saturday, 7 November 2009 07:27 (2 weeks ago) Permalink