EMusic - C/D

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I've been doing a little research on the pay mp3 sites like rhapsody, etc. EMusic is the only one (I think) that allows full usage once a file is downloaded. It costs $9.99/mo if one commits to 12 months (14.99 otherwise) and offers plenty of worthwhile stuff, like the Ethiopiques series, a Thelonious Monk box, about 25 Fall albums, etc., not to mention most of the Matador catalog. I can supposedly download guilt-free since "EMusic splits all of the profits from membership fees 50/50 with the label or artist."

This is nice and all, but it just doesn't add up. Say I download 1000 songs/month or 100 albums each from a different artist or label (a modest estimate, probably), and pay 10 bucks for that 100. Each "label or artist" gets $.05, after EMusic takes their share. What can the artist possibly get out of that $.05. I'd say half of that would be generous, so $.025 (assuming the label takes the other half). Say 100 people download that same artist's album. So the artist makes $2.50/month-- and that's a generous estimate. $2.50 for 100 albums sold. The truth is probably closer to one cent or less per download that goes to the artist.

Now, my inclination is to say, "Hey, it's better than nothing." But is it? It seems like an insult. And the main argument against file-sharing is, "Wah, the artists aren't getting paid." "Support the artist," etc. But they're not getting paid with this system either, it seems.

What do you think? And if my math is wrong, or my argument's bunk, let me know.


scott m (mcd), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 17:26 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm bound to say: Dud.

scott m (mcd), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 17:27 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm saying classic.

It's got weird stuff. And the artists who produce weird stuff aren't making much money anyway.

J (Jay), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 17:37 (11 years ago) Permalink

Yeah...leaving the math out of it, or at least from a consumerist point of view, it's not half-bad.

The fact it's the one place you can go to get a few important deleted titles (for instance, Peter Laughner's "Take The Guitar Player For A Ride" and the Sleepers' stuff as reissued on tim/kerr) makes it arguably classic.

I mean, "Take The Guitar Player..." is classic. At the very least one should go, sign up for your trial membership, and download the Laughner before cancelling...

M Specktor (M Specktor), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 17:51 (11 years ago) Permalink

it was classic a few years ago when me and some interweb pals took advantage of a free $10 coupon over and over and over for a few days.

i haven't really looked at it since.

brian badword (badwords), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

that particular part of the math i know nothing about. what i do know is that back in the day EMusic paid out relatively large advances to artists. the artists don't get any more money until the advance recoups. They apparently gave Frank Black $200,000 in advance, and he used the dough to buy a farm in western Massachusetts, USA.

also, back in the day (2000, we're talkin') the quality of the MP3s was sort of dodgy. I did get a Nomad for buying $50 worth of music the one time I used it, and that rocked.

j breitling (BlastsofStatic), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:12 (11 years ago) Permalink

ahhh 2000, those were heady times!

Artists getting paid for downloads vs. not. Seems bogus coming from emusic's mouth. What advantage does emusic provide so that I won't just use slsk? Certainly it's the idea that the tracks are "legal," but truthfully I only feel bad using slsk because the artists aren't getting paid. And especially "the artists who produce weird stuff [who] aren't making much money anyway."

scott m (mcd), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 00:27 (11 years ago) Permalink


classic, especially for out-of-print electronica.

it's worth it just for the fact that you can get most of the Rather Interesting back catalogue, and Senor Coconut gets paid a royalty for each track. they've also got great drum and bass comps (reinforced and certificate 18), old daniel wang material, old ken ishii material, experimental audio research, etc.

i have to admit, though, that i just used the free trial to get the stuff above (and the artists still got paid).

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:18 (11 years ago) Permalink

oh and it looks like since i stopped using emusic they've added the back catalogues for trax (the trax! farley and armando!) and undaground therapy (roy davis jr!), force tracks, moving shadow, schematic, and matador.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:28 (11 years ago) Permalink

classic - it does take some time and effort to get the most out of it, but i found some amazing stuff that i might never have heard otherwise.

your null fame (yournullfame), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 03:27 (11 years ago) Permalink

they seem to have some weird labels -- the sort of labels that seem to cover many genres, dig up loose tapes of artists primarily associated with some other label and release them, like the Italian label 'base' that reissued ESP through to Rough Trade on vinyl in the '80s
typically these labels dig up interesting recordings of jazz, classical and film music as well as bootleg-like live recordings of rock music (sound quality seemed ok with everything i got)

i found a few deleted 20th century 'classical' titles that i was unable to buy anywhere on the web anymore and so that was good -- but searching for more similarly unique stuff by the same composers didn't go anywhere (in that case they had a sampling of titles from the clasical label Koch, leaving me wanting more)

so it seemed they had something of everything, but then just something, ie just xyz on label q, just some of the obscure stuff -- admittedly stuff i've not seen available anywhere else -- so not much depth for any given artist, more 'lost tapes from 1975' type stuff -- stuff you might not have known existed

george gosset (gegoss), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 05:30 (11 years ago) Permalink

Recently, Emusic switched to VBR LAME encoding. That was actually what inspired me to join up. I don't regret it for a second.

I've downloaded mostly hard-to-find stuff, and stuff where I know the artists aren't getting shit anyway -- ferinstance, I got the entire CCR catalogue, since Saul Zaentz still ownz that shit and John Fogerty's still getting screwed over it. However, the artists who produce weird stuff who aren't getting paid anyway seem to be making a least a little bit here. They would make nothing if I downloaded from Soulseek, checked out from the library, or bought a used compact disc. They're making precious little even when we buy new CDs. I feel no guilt.

J (Jay), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:13 (11 years ago) Permalink

What advantage does emusic provide so that I won't just use slsk?

- Faster downloads, about 10 - 100 times faster for me.
- Songs are reliably named and tagged.
- Search function doesn't completely suck.
- Yazoo, Ethiopiques, JSP, Riverside, Milestone, etc.

I use Soulseek a lot more, but I'm glad there's both.

Curt (cgould), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:09 (11 years ago) Permalink

(I just finished doing an interview about online music, paid-for downloads, and broadband, and I'm pleased that this thread vindicates all the stuff I made up about emusic!)

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:30 (11 years ago) Permalink

ATTN Anglophiles (& Pixies lovers):

Suddenly this morning, I see where EMusic's new arrivals list is just page after page of back catalog from what must be a new label signing, Beggars Banquet & "Beggars Group": 4AD, Too Pure, XL, Mantra, Wijja, etc.

I think I'll start with those Velocette singles...

Curt (cgould), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 14:38 (11 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
Was considering subscribing but is it true that many labels are unavailable outside of America & Canada?
Want some of that Matador Records stuff, but I was told I wouldnt be able to download that and quite a few other labels due to licensing restrictions.

Pete X, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 18:13 (11 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
Well?

adaml (adaml), Sunday, 19 October 2003 03:31 (11 years ago) Permalink

formerly classic, now a big fat dud. i cancelled my subscription as soon as they instigated the download limits. i could download 40 MP3s in an hour!

Andrew Calaman (Andrew Calaman), Sunday, 19 October 2003 18:45 (11 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...
http://www.emusic.com/about/pr/pr183.html

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 19 August 2004 19:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

Okay, now they're adding eighties stuff from the Crammed label. I had to buy a booster pack to get it all (total bargain, btw - 50 downloads for $14.95). That seals it - I am officially in love with emusic.

I think it's best for people who have really broad tastes and like a lot of international musics and blues, country, whatever.

Yr3k (dymaxia), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
They are now running an ad for 50 free downloads. Has anyone done this?

dewey, Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

They've had that for a long time (used to be 100 back in the early days). It works.

dlp9001, Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

try this link:
http://www.emusic.com/promo.html

not sure if it'll work, but it might be worth a shot

a banana (alanbanana), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

Did my 50 last night. Got Stereolab's first Switched On, MF Doom's Operation Doomsday (a very nice find since the CD is long out of print), Xmal Deutschland's Tocsin, and a Trevor Jackson remix of Soft Cell.

telephonething, Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

They were running this promo last summer and they totally got me hooked. EMusic has all the '90s stuff I need to upgrade from cassette or cassette dubs, including digital versions of a fair amount of 7 inches. I look forward to the day each month when my subscription renews.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...
Five months later, everyone still happy? Twenty-five cents per song doesn't seem so bad.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

i am. they've added a lot of labels recently, including merge, touch and go, smithsonian folkways, sun, and tvt.

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Thursday, 6 October 2005 21:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

I didn't like it. I would have stuck with it if your downloads simply accumulated each month though. They give you so few downloads that it's hard to remember to go back. You use them all up in one day and then have to remember to check back in next month when you're allowed to download more? Dud.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 6 October 2005 22:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...
I say Classic, although the non-rollover is a bit Dud. Great eMusic advantages for me are:

-- instantaneous access to the extended classical canon in serviceable-to-great recordings due to inclusion of Naxos catalogue;
-- cheap opportunity for upgrading some vinyl stuff I have to digital (eg from 4AD); since I already have the artwork etc I don't feel I'm missing out on much compared to buying CDs;
-- fun of randomly trying something unknown for very little cost.

I'd appreciate a higher-volume account option than the current max of 90 tracks for $20 a month, though (ie EMUSIC CAN YOU HEAR ME I WANT TO GIVE YOU MORE MONEY).

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Friday, 16 December 2005 23:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

It seems strange that the length of the song doesn't affect the price. Like would you pay the same price for two Ramones songs as you would for a whole album of Fela Kuti? Of course, I don't have emusic; I've just always wondered about that.

sweet earth flying (sweet earth flying), Saturday, 17 December 2005 00:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

when, last month or the month before, they added THE ENTIRE F'IN NAXOS CATALOG FFS, they became QUITE CLASSIC INDEED

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 17 December 2005 01:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

i find emusic frustrating because it's not soulseek...but sometimes it has things that i can't even find on soulseek (vulgar boatmen, higelin & areski, robert pete williams). but what is classic is the 50 free download scam. you can do this any time you get a new email address--just plug in your new email address, fill out the rest of the information, get 50 free downloads one night, cancel, and you're totally commitment-free. done that a couple times when i need instant gratification.

naturemorte, Saturday, 17 December 2005 08:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

It seems strange that the length of the song doesn't affect the price.

Haha yes that is a bit dim. Talking of classical, this means e.g. that symphonies are usually dirt cheap, opera less so.

Hm maybe one should write a program that scoured the catalogue and found the best bargains from the track lengths... ;)

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Saturday, 17 December 2005 09:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

This is great. I just signed up for emusic and I'm downloading Holger Czukay's La Luna (one track = 47:14)...I'm totally getting my money's worth...or uhh...free trial's worth. heh.

sweet earth flying (sweet earth flying), Saturday, 17 December 2005 15:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

I left eMusic in a fume when they put a cap on the maximum downloadable songs per user in 2003 or whenever, but came crawling back when I realized that everything I was buying at $10 a pop on iTunes was also on eMusic for a flat rate. Could've saved a hundred bucks or so.

I started to make a list of the "few" finds that made me happy to be a member, before it became a huge list and I had to void my whole argument.

Not enough downloads, I agree, but I love it.

And SO VERY GLAD they don't pro-rate songs or pieces by length.

Myke Weiskopf (Myke Weiskopf), Sunday, 18 December 2005 00:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

! One or more tracks from this album are unavailable for download at this time.

! We're sorry. This album is unavailable for download in your country at this time. Please check back later.

These preclude classic status.

jcartledge (jcartledge), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

Hm maybe one should write a program that scoured the catalogue and found the best bargains from the track lengths... ;)

google site:emusic.com inurl:album 15..80-0..59-listen

change the 15 to whatever you want the minimum length in minutes to be.

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Sunday, 18 December 2005 01:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

Okay, I write for them, so I'm biased, but: I use eMusic a LOT. Huge selection of Sun Ra, the entire Document catalogue, the entire Tzadik catalogue, the entire Stax catalogue, out-of-print CD-R stuff from VHF, Dischord, Touch & Go, JSP, Smithsonian Folkways... And they're MP3s. No DRM crap at all. Yay.

Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 18 December 2005 02:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yeah there really is a good selection of Sun Ra; I was surprised. Also a lot of Dub stuff that I can never find on slsk. I'm pretty happy with it so far.

sweet earth flying (sweet earth flying), Sunday, 18 December 2005 05:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

I've been an eMusic junkie for years.

If you burn the albums to CD, you always have a stack of CDs with stuff you haven't heard on it waiting for you!

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Sunday, 18 December 2005 05:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

the Vintner's Lipogram wrote:
Hm maybe one should write a program that scoured the catalogue and found the best bargains from the track lengths... ;)

Heh, I downloaded John Cage's Empty Words (part III) from eMusic - two tracks, 74 minutes each.

They also have some live albums that I haven't seen elsewhere (search for "Schubas" and "Casbah" for starters.)

Ernest P. (ernestp), Sunday, 18 December 2005 07:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

I just downloaded the Akron/Family live album--just one long track and then a short song--and it is DEVASTATING. So good. Half of it is just a dude reading William Blake with crazy improv/noise in the background. It's great.

sweet earth flying (sweet earth flying), Sunday, 18 December 2005 14:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

like doug, i write for emusic, so i'm biased, obviously. but their catalogue is really pretty incredible - screamo, indie rock, jazz, world music, bizarro shit.... the electronic portion is getting much much better too - they just brought on K7, they got TVT, and playhouse is starting to trickle in...

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Sunday, 18 December 2005 17:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

eMusic is (esp. for ILM-types) the best deal out there and nothing comes close.

I wish I could pay more for higher quality, or that the downloads were higher quality; it irks me to know that someday, like with my cassettes and my vinyl and my early CDs, that I'll probably upgrade a lot of what I picked up on eMusic because the bitrate is noticeable.

Nothing personal to Doug or Philip (two writers whose work I admire and like a lot) but I still do not find eMusic to be a community type of place for me where I want to spend time doing anything but downloading. There's a lot of quality writing and some of the lists are really great, but I can't seem to make eMusic a daily stop in my surfing. It's not a destination for me in that sense and I'm not sure why.

Also, the exclusive live stuff is a nice touch and I wish there was more of that (like the exclusive titles that the CIMS gets.)

don weiner (don weiner), Sunday, 18 December 2005 17:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

I always put off downloads when I was a member, thinking I'd do it the next day or picking between tracks, and kept getting screwed at the end of the month. They should really make it a rollover plan.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Sunday, 18 December 2005 20:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

i can't find enough songs i want in my 100 mp3 free trial!

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Sunday, 18 December 2005 23:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

100? I only got 50 in my free trial. But that was hard enough, I wouldn't have wanted to have to think of another 50 that I could find on eMusic.

This was my download strategy:

1. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm (all tracks)
I've heard and liked the singles, I've skimmed through the rest at a listening station in some record store. I think it's a really good album, but before buying it I've wanted to spend some time listening to it straight through to be sure I separate my own impressions from the hype that surrounded it. [Conclusion: I'll buy the CD as soon as I can find it used.]

2. [remembering the notion, expressed in this thread, that it's good to download LONG tracks]
Eliane Radigue, Trilogie de la mort -- three hour-long tracks, beautiful drone-y electronic sounds, the smartest decision I made in this whole process

3. [spontaneously deciding to hunt down some individual tracks where I'm not interested in buying the whole album]
Annie - several tracks off Anniemal
Ladytron - several tracks off 604 and Light & Magic
Armand Van Helden - "U Don't Know Me" and "Flowerz"

4. [spontaneously deciding it's about time I finally checked out Derek Bailey]
Derek Bailey - Improvisations (all tracks)

5. [remembering I've been curious about Robert Rich but put off by all the New Age hoo-haw]
Robert Rich - Below Zero (all tracks)
still haven't listened to it

6. [remembering that ever since the recent Imogen Heap thread, I've been trying to find Todd Rundgren's "Pretending to Care," off the mid-80s album _A Capella_]
They don't have it, but they have a cover of it by a band called The Unherd.

That's 50 tracks, and I've unsubscribed. Part of the challenge is that I'm just not a music downloader, so anything I *really* want, I want on CD. The eMusic process was all about remembering things I *sort of* want.

National Roffle Association (Paul in Santa Cruz), Monday, 19 December 2005 03:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

pretty classic. i also subscribe to rhapsody as well, so those two combined give me a pretty massive advantage. i stream onto my work PC that i sit at for 60ish hours a week rhapsody when i need it and use emusic to purch a lot of tracks i want to burn etc. (or when rhaps doesn't have the stuff over on emusic.)

rhaps usually covers my nostalgic needs... you know, when some friend goes, "dude krokus!" i can actually give krokus a listen and leave it at that without spending much more than a few cents i suppose. etc etc. old hip hop records i never bought but have radio taped mixes of, etc etc.

one by one, emusic has steadily brought lot's and lot's of "want list" labels onboard. i never thought i'd see tzadik come, but here they are. or dischord. touch and go! shit, those dudes charge out the wazoo for their records at the store, but here they are! emusic has really become kind of a paradise for back catalog siftings. i keep hoping drag city will come, but they seem pretty stiff on such things. (do they do itunes even? i'm too lazy to fire up itunes right now.)

as far as i'm concerned, services like emusic are saints for kicking DRM to the curb and letting us be honest fans. (for now anyway. legislation always pending in one form or another.)

m.

msp (mspa), Monday, 19 December 2005 03:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...
Classic. $20/month for 90 songs/month at the moment (you can go cheaper, but you have to do a whole year at once) plus no freaking DRM.

Certainly far from having everything I want, but I've already downloaded tons of stuff I've been fiending for for a while.

Also great to have for making my wedding mixes.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

Ha ha, I turned you!

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

Might not be quite to your taste and maybe the pricing works out different in the US, but here are some good artists to check that often have just a few tracks per album. All ambient, experimental and um, modern classical stuff:

Robert Ashley
Steve Roach
Nurse With Wound
Klaus Schulze
Walter Marchetti
Rhys Chatham
Gavin Bryars
Oren Ambarchi
William Basinski
Black Swan
Tony Conrad
Taylor Deupree
Irr.App.(Ext.)
Charlemagne Palestine
Eliane Radigue
Yellow Swans

immer wieder, ralf & günther (NickB), Friday, 3 June 2011 23:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

Great list, and I already have some of those bases covered (NWW, Schulze, Basinski) but the others are good reminders. You read my mind!

The only prob seems to be that what used to be a good deal album has turned into a $5.99 album, and most of these (at least the ones I just looked at) are $5.99 now. I mean, that is not a lot of cash, and I would pay it, but I have $4.62 credit. So...do I get booster pack and just spend more than I planned on spending? Maybe. Do I plan out what I'm going to download next time so that I have *just* the right balance of credit and albums? Unlikely, knowing me.

The hoop jumping is greatly outweighing my enjoyment of 2.5 albums per month at this point.

Garyln (La Lechera), Saturday, 4 June 2011 00:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

That's too bad, lots of the albums by the guys on that list only cost about a pound here.

immer wieder, ralf & günther (NickB), Saturday, 4 June 2011 00:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Arrrgh....I was so busy this week that I didn't finish downloading last months downloads...I lost thirty god damned dollars! They should send you an automated e-mail every month to remind you!

Then Abitha Tabitha is My New Screen Name (Mount Cleaners), Saturday, 20 August 2011 13:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

that kind of programming costs $$$$$$$$$

if you hipster on your fixie tonight, dont forget, wear black. amen. (Hunt3r), Saturday, 20 August 2011 13:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

It wouldn't cost them anything. They do that very deliberately. That's why I quit - for the record, you can go to cancel your account and the'll give you one month free to stay on. I did that, then quit as soo as I had spent those credits. They're dicks.

Walter Galt, Saturday, 20 August 2011 15:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

pretty much every monthly subscription service works this way. i was in my u-haul storage space two days over and i had to pay for an entire month. i wanted to burn the fucking building down.

Lil Boosie's on the Up (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 20 August 2011 16:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

i was being facetious--that's one reason i quit them too

if you hipster on your fixie tonight, dont forget, wear black. amen. (Hunt3r), Saturday, 20 August 2011 17:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

the change in the system is an insidious money-sucker too, because before you always had a number of 'songs' on your account that you could use up, now that the account balance is measured in dollars and cents, there's always going to be some odd remainder that you won't find a song of that amount to purchase, so when the month rolls over that's basically money you get no benefit all from having given to them.

some dude, Sunday, 21 August 2011 02:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

no. "loose change" -- less than enough to download a final song in a given month -- rolls over to the next month.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 August 2011 02:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

even then, if i have sixty cents left to spend, it won't roll over, because i could potentially find some .49 song to download. so then it becomes a matter of hunting around for a song that falls within this magical price-point, or else losing the money. it's tedious.

sea jasper, a meteor, rose quartz and quartz (reddening), Sunday, 21 August 2011 07:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

you're right. but it was the same way with the old credit system (if you had a stray credit or two left at the end of a billing cycle, those credits didn't roll-over to the new billing cycle; instead, you lost them).

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 August 2011 12:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, but a credit was a credit -- you grabbed a song and went on your way. usually i'd get one or two songs off an album that i intended to complete during the next pay period. this new business of hunting for an appropriately priced single at the end of every pay period was what finally annoyed me enough to put my account on hold (that and the appearance of US spotify).

sea jasper, a meteor, rose quartz and quartz (reddening), Sunday, 21 August 2011 12:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

no. "loose change" -- less than enough to download a final song in a given month -- rolls over to the next month.

― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

really? good to know, i thought it didn't!

some dude, Sunday, 21 August 2011 13:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

but reddening otm, it's still another reason the site sucks now compared to the old days

some dude, Sunday, 21 August 2011 13:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Just cancelled for good. I basically spent three weeks trying to reduce my account level and got no help from customer service. Every time I'd try to drop to a lower plan I'd get a glitch. Luckily the cancel function did not glitch. Was barely worth it anymore anyway -- near CD price for low-quality mp3.

Disraeli Geirs (Hurting 2), Monday, 26 September 2011 21:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

I have an eMusic question. How do the royalties work with the labels in this type of situation: eMusic has just put the new Sacred Bones reissue of the Eraserhead soundtrack up for £1.28. It's retailing for about £40 on vinyl. I'm sure this was some kind of automated thing, because it's only technically a four track album (similarly, the reissue of Sleep's Dopesmoker was put up for 84p as a single song).

Am I boning the labels or bands if I jump on those possible mistakes, or will they get the same cut no matter what?

She Got the Shakes, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 09:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have read (in an old interview with one of the emusic honchos) that the labels always get paid more for tracks over 6 minutes. No idea about comparing it with LP sales.

get you ass to mahs (abanana), Thursday, 9 August 2012 01:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

I want an emusic this-or-that thread.

Ie, should I go ahead and buy the new Gudrun Gut, Wildlife for the unusually high $9.48 of credit, or should I wait til November 6 to see if Andy Stott's Luxury Problems will get a timely emusic release.

Not a rhetorical question.

圧迫系プレイ (Sanpaku), Sunday, 28 October 2012 22:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

the psychology of buying on itunes is v different than the psychology of buying on emusic. with itunes i think, "do i really, really want this? can an album with a lead song called zed the mythical goat possibly be worth $9.99?" with emusic i think, "eh, they've already taken my X dollars this month; might as well download this."

anyone know what's the typical price of an album for an emusic subscriber these days? to non-subscribers (who can now buy a la carte), the emusic and itunes prices are mostly equal.

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 02:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

I just don't see the benefit of this service vs. $10/month for Spotify Premium

undescended listicle (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 02:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

do they have anything spotify doesn't?

undescended listicle (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 02:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's a function of my age, really. i have an attachment to owning, not just "renting" (streaming), music. purely personal preference.

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 02:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

typical price of an album for an emusic subscriber these days

6.99

in other news, since the motherfucking orchard swallowed up ioda, the amount of actually good music available to me on emusic has diminished to microscopic levels

take that, bitterman (electricsound), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 02:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

they still have bruno mars.

the entire catalogue.

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 02:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

oooooooooh

undescended listicle (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 03:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

for me it's a portability issue. i can't put spotify on my ipod and that's what I listen to the most because i like to listen to music while walking/running/moving from a to b. if i had to drain my phone battery i'd be stingy about listening to stuff and that would be stupid. better to just have mp3s. also they're MINE.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 12:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

Also if the label decides they don't wanna be on emusic (or spotify) any more, I still have the music.

Thelema & Louise (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 12:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

the psychology of buying on itunes is v different than the psychology of buying on emusic. with itunes i think, "do i really, really want this? can an album with a lead song called zed the mythical goat possibly be worth $9.99?" with emusic i think, "eh, they've already taken my X dollars this month; might as well download this."

otm. i cancelled my emusic subscription a few years ago because i was basically just downloading only remotely interesting stuff in order to use up my monthly amount. it was this contest every month to use it up before I forgot about it and lost the money. i almost never buy music on itunes. maybe like 2 albums in the past 6 years. lots of people give itunes giftcards though so i've certainly used those.

i basically use spotify now, primarily to check out new stuff that i eventually will buy in physical format if i really like it.

marcos, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 14:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

do they have anything spotify doesn't?

Yes, definitely - ECM and ReR and also some dance oriented things like Hessle Audio and Hemlock are a few labels that spring to my mind. Also some labels put things up on eMusic on day of release but you might have to wait a couple of months until it's on Spotify (e.g. RVNG)

if you lose your way tonight that's how you know the map's not right (NickB), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 15:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

my main problem with spotify as an alternative to downloading is that i can't take it anywhere! just thinking about that makes me wonder if my walkman still works.

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 15:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

Well, you can pay $10/month for premium and then you get it to mobile devices, and you can set certain albums to play in "offline" mode which is kind of like a temporary download. Of course this is limited by the space you have on your phone or mobile device (a problem for me since mine tends to be full of baby videos at all times).

undescended listicle (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 15:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

it also requires carrying my phone at all times and using its battery for something that is not related to the phone so what do i do if i binge on spotify and can't make/receive a phone call?!
i'm a super ambulant person and also paranoid about batteries dying so spotify on my phone just isn't really an option for me
i'm ok with emusic for now! why do i keep talking about this?!

free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 15:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Accidentally found this on emusic today, it's under 6 bucks:

100 mambo-craze-era songs by a great, weird roster: Henry Mancini, Johnny Burnette, June Carter, Eydie Gorme, Ivory Joe Hunter, Sophia Loren, Lavern Baker, Huey Piano Smith, Ruth Brown, Hank Snow, and on and on.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 18 August 2013 05:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was just thinking about eMusic yesterday—I just upgraded a bunch of old 128 CBR mp3s from eMusic through iTunes Match. I'm glad it's still around.

Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Sunday, 18 August 2013 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

what's the fifth song on that comp?

socki (s1ocki), Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ha. There is a version of that, though not the original. (But there are a few others by Perez Prado.)

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 18 August 2013 22:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

"As a result, beginning today, we will be exiting the mainstream music business and offering exclusively independent music."

in full support here

outback bumfuc (electricsound), Friday, 26 September 2014 22:29 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Wait what?

(My monthly credits reup tomorrow...)

von Daniken Donuts (Jon Lewis), Friday, 26 September 2014 22:32 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

in full support here

― outback bumfuc (electricsound), Friday, September 26, 2014

wish i had a better idea of what this announcement meant, or what the catalog will look like tomorrow. no major-indies, plus loss of major labels, leaves micro-label and self-released (which was already onsite).

i haven't been an emu member for years now. but if the service again looks like it did in 2010, i might reconsider.

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 26 September 2014 23:38 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

So many of my Saved albums are classical things on labels like bis, Harmonia mundi, aeon, and bridge, and I assume those are indie enough to still be there in the morning.

Bummer to lose sony and warner though.

von Daniken Donuts (Jon Lewis), Friday, 26 September 2014 23:55 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

as a grandfathered non-US type i expect the catalogue will look entirely unchanged to me.

it is probably a bit much to dream that Orchard-distroed labels will return but hope springs eternal

outback bumfuc (electricsound), Saturday, 27 September 2014 00:02 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm sure they were margin squeezed on the major label releases (eg 0.89 / track at eMusic vs. 0.99 at Amz vs. 1.29 at iTunes).

I haven't forgotten the reason tracks are 0.89 vs the earlier 0.49 is so eMusic could woo the majors.

There's so much "meh" on my saved list I'm sorely tempted to drop.

Felt up by Adam Smith's invisible hand (Sanpaku), Saturday, 27 September 2014 02:21 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

still plenty of major label stuff on the site - anybody know anything deeper about what's going on here?

The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Sunday, 28 September 2014 13:57 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

It changed today. Universal is gone, warner is gone. Sony still there, though! Maybe they have the best terms. I seem to recall they were the first major emusic got...

All the large indie classical labels I checked for are still there.

a drug by the name of WORLD WITHOUT END (Jon Lewis), Monday, 29 September 2014 22:34 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Universal is gone

So ironically the new U2 album has been taken down from emusic?

john wahey (NickB), Monday, 29 September 2014 22:41 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

ironically?

Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 02:12 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Canceled my membership over the weekend. Found an album that got my balance down to zero (Horace Silver's The Cape Verdean Blues, for $4.74) and which is doubtless gone now - Blue Note being part of Universal/EMI.

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 02:39 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Oh man- all the Blue Note is gone?! That sucks. At least I grabbed a bunch of the Silvers while they were available. Are they actually adding any new indies or just removing the major labels? My "Saved" list went from about 35 to 10. I may have to consider cancelling if they don't follow through on bringing in new labels to replace the majors.

o. nate, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 01:27 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

It still annoys me that you can't carry your balance over from month to month. I have probably lost over $200 in credits because of that.

sarahell, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 02:44 (3 weeks ago) Permalink


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