― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 10 May 2003 21:57 (10 years ago) Permalink
so points raisd above - 1) i never noticed hotpants or even short shorts - he likes shorts2) bad jokes - the man is on drugs (apply to above)3) weird eyes - the man is on drugs
― H (Heruy), Saturday, 10 May 2003 22:09 (10 years ago) Permalink
― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 10 May 2003 22:12 (10 years ago) Permalink
you prefer jerry's voice? not that there is much to choose betweenthe two but bobby actually had a voice while jerry croaked for about 20 of the 30 years. both their voices succeded depending onwhat they wre singing and even then if that night they were able to do it - I love 'Crazy Fingers' more often than not (i.e 99% ofhe time) I would suffe thru Jerry's singing till he shut up and started playing guirat.
Bobby is singing "looks like rain" "cassidy" or whatever, his voice generally is ok, probably it is also that he is nor required to hit same notes as jerry but more power to him if his is smart enuf to sing in his range.
― H (Heruy), Saturday, 10 May 2003 22:25 (10 years ago) Permalink
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― H (Heruy), Saturday, 10 May 2003 22:29 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 10 May 2003 22:36 (10 years ago) Permalink
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― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 10 May 2003 22:43 (10 years ago) Permalink
Drak Pack was just as an important part of my past as Voltron, but moreso even!
Also, I love the Dead, but have never been able to say I love Bob Weir. I went from hating him to tolerating him to actually liking a few of his songs. Basically, I just can't stand his combination of country bumpkin and hepcat whiteman vocal inflection, but occasionally he pulls off a great song (i.e. Pride of Cucamonga).
Jerry Garcia ruled, though, even when he was too fat and out of breath to hit the notes or sing coherently. Something about his voice is just so fucking emotional and sweet.
― Scaredy Cat, Sunday, 11 May 2003 01:40 (10 years ago) Permalink
― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 11 May 2003 01:57 (10 years ago) Permalink
"Estimated Prophet"? "One More Saturday Night"?
Fucking "Playing in the Band"????!!!!!!!!!!!
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 11 May 2003 01:59 (10 years ago) Permalink
Did he do "Unbroken Chain"? If so, there's another notch in the con column.
― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 11 May 2003 02:13 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Scaredy Cat, Sunday, 11 May 2003 02:14 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Scaredy Cat, Sunday, 11 May 2003 02:18 (10 years ago) Permalink
He's definitely a worse singer than Jerry; after all, he's the guy on all the live stuff who interjects all the off-key yelping, and the "Whoah Yeah!"s and the "Oww!"s.
Still, I kinda like him in spite of all that. He's just living the dream, you know.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 11 May 2003 02:18 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Scaredy Cat, Sunday, 11 May 2003 02:24 (10 years ago) Permalink
But yeah, he is a total goofball. I kind of think he knows that, though.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 11 May 2003 02:31 (10 years ago) Permalink
― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 11 May 2003 02:34 (10 years ago) Permalink
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― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 11 May 2003 02:42 (10 years ago) Permalink
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 11 May 2003 02:54 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 11 May 2003 02:57 (10 years ago) Permalink
― scaredy Cat, Sunday, 11 May 2003 03:10 (10 years ago) Permalink
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2195132889d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=35e3973f.2217734%40enews.newsguy.com
― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 11 May 2003 03:20 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Sean (Sean), Sunday, 11 May 2003 03:23 (10 years ago) Permalink
This sounds more like high comedy to me.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 11 May 2003 03:23 (10 years ago) Permalink
― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Sunday, 11 May 2003 04:16 (10 years ago) Permalink
He's supposed to have been straight since around 1966, isn't he? Always thought that was a little strange.
― James Ball (James Ball), Monday, 12 May 2003 10:29 (10 years ago) Permalink
― dave q, Monday, 12 May 2003 11:57 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Joe (Joe), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:01 (10 years ago) Permalink
Search: “Estimated Prophet’, “Looks Like Rain” “Other One”/”Spanish Jam”Destroy: “Victim or the Crime” “Feel like a Stranger” “Picasso Moon”
Though they’ve become part of the Dead canon I’ve never been particularly enthused abt “Playing in the Band” “One More Saturday Night” or “Music Never Stopped” etc. I prefer what could be classed maybe as the second-tier songs like “Cassidy” or “Mexicali Blues” and to a lesser degree “Jack Straw”. I would put my three search picks up in amongst the best Dead songs tho.
Depending on mood I can either find “Sugar Magnolia” just cause for killing the band and other times I’ll happily hippy out. “Sunshine Daydream” is better just ‘coz I haven’t had it shoved down my throat as often.
James Ball – well, in a video I saw of New Year’s Eve Dead show circa ’86 or so Bobby’s pupils look like he’s on about half a sheet of acid. Find it hard to believe he gave up drugs in ’66 or so.
― H (Heruy), Monday, 12 May 2003 21:12 (10 years ago) Permalink
U.S. Blues China Doll Unbroken Chain Loose Lucy Scarlet Begonias Pride Of Cucamonga Money, Money Ship Of Fools
― Sam J. (samjeff), Monday, 12 May 2003 21:26 (10 years ago) Permalink
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― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 27 July 2003 20:12 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Reed Moore (diamond), Sunday, 5 September 2004 04:59 (8 years ago) Permalink
Weir's worst tendancy is go go falssetto. *Shudder*
Poor Garcia. So talented. He deserved a better band.
― shookout (shookout), Monday, 6 September 2004 11:38 (8 years ago) Permalink
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 September 2004 11:42 (8 years ago) Permalink
― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Monday, 6 September 2004 16:00 (8 years ago) Permalink
friend just offered me a free ticket to the weir/chris robinson show in boulder next week! second row! i'm totally going! i will ask bob weir what the hell his problem is.
― tylerw, Friday, 1 June 2012 15:30 (11 months ago) Permalink
No, ask him what his prolem is.
― Soccer mom, hopeless and lost, in utter despair (Dan Peterson), Friday, 1 June 2012 16:51 (11 months ago) Permalink
what is your prolem, mannnn
― tylerw, Friday, 1 June 2012 17:11 (11 months ago) Permalink
he gives a weird finger. up above. some people throw a weird bird.
― scott seward, Friday, 1 June 2012 17:39 (11 months ago) Permalink
that is quite the weird bird.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 1 June 2012 17:42 (11 months ago) Permalink
if you've gone to all the trouble of constructing the pointer, ring, pinky block why leave the thumb all hanging out there like it was broke.
― how's life, Friday, 1 June 2012 20:50 (11 months ago) Permalink
Never knew until now that "Ace" is essentially a Dead album.
― Johnny Hotcox, Friday, 1 June 2012 21:23 (11 months ago) Permalink
Love this thread, even with terrible attribution errors above.
I do Bob Weir air guitar moves to all music, including classical. He can be a total cheeseball obv but I often think he had the best sense of humor and perspective about the band. And Jack Straw is his best song, possibly the greatest GD song of them all.
― tobo73, Saturday, 2 June 2012 16:27 (11 months ago) Permalink
every time he speaks between songs he sounds irritable & often really condescending, even on early late-sixties shows, to the point where when he gets started I'll find my self saying "shut the fuck up, Bob" to the stereo
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 2 June 2012 16:52 (11 months ago) Permalink
I rescreened Festival Express recently, and there's some footage of an informal press conference on the train, which was presumably held to mend fences w/the Canadian underground press who'd been so critical of the motives behind the tour. A very unchill Weir snaps at one of the reporters who'd suggested The Dead play for free with something along the lines of "We're working musicians, man! That's how we make our living! You just can't understand that this doesn't happen for free, and that's really sad...." which I guess was pretty ballsy for July '70, particularly coming from someone in THE GRATEFUL DEAD.
― Hare Kinsey (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 2 June 2012 19:45 (11 months ago) Permalink
I wish it was easy for the home listener to isolate instrumental parts -- there have been many times that I wanted to just listen to Weir and figure out what the hell was going on harmonically.
― Trey Imaginary Songz (WmC), Monday, 4 June 2012 00:48 (11 months ago) Permalink
"Bob at his worst see 7:49"
"Yikes. Well, that's why I haven't gone beyond 1973 Dead."
there is goodness post-73. you'll see. for instance, i would totally recommend the dead set/reckoning live stuff. there is all kinds of good 70's stuff.
even worse than weir in that clip is the keyboard solo after his freakout with the keyboard on anemic fart setting.
― scott seward, Monday, 4 June 2012 00:51 (11 months ago) Permalink
r.i.p. vince
― how's life, Monday, 4 June 2012 00:54 (11 months ago) Permalink
― scott seward, Monday, 4 June 2012 01:00 (11 months ago) Permalink
Also, if you stop at '73, you are missing a ton of killer Dead stuff, dude. Hell, '77 might have been their best year (with '81 and '82 not far behind)!!
yeah if you don't listen to '77 tours I don't even know what to say, that is some of the best shit out there. I haven't delved into '81/'82 yet, a friend's sent me several '74 shows and they have great moments but I think the repertoire they're working in '74 is so bloated with weak Wake of the Flood stuff which I just cannot get into. But '77? Pembroke Pines? C'mon, now
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 4 June 2012 01:04 (11 months ago) Permalink
77 is killer, yeah. i haven't really gone past that year either, though -- which 81-82 gigs should I check out. and otm about weir being a cool rhythm guitarist. it's weird, in one of those classic album docs, they talk about how weir refused to rehearse (at least in the early days of the band). but the dude definitely figured out how to be the grateful dead's rhythm guitarist! it's not like it's just a gig where you stand up there and play the changes. he had to hold his own with the rest of 'em.
― tylerw, Monday, 4 June 2012 02:11 (11 months ago) Permalink
weak Wake of the Flood stuff which I just cannot get into
you are talking challops and I collect my five dollars.
― how's life, Monday, 4 June 2012 02:46 (11 months ago) Permalink
http://www.sfweekly.com/2008-04-30/news/bob-weir-s-cutoffs-not-going-to-grateful-dead-archive/
― buzza, Monday, 4 June 2012 02:56 (11 months ago) Permalink
One thing about late 70s early 80s Dead I think the world was deprived was them some how having one of those Weir or Mydland songs becoming some fluke FM radio hit. Could you imagine some clip of the disco dead coked out of their gourd playing on Solid Gold? It would have been hilarous to see Marilyn McCoo or Andy Gibb sending the cameras to pan over to the Dead playing on a game show set playing one of those doobie jams.
Funny thing is they 'did' kind of try to go for it (pop golden ring), but they were just way to funky for something like that too stick. There is definitely some Fleetwood slumming on some of those records, but their material is just too obscure to catch.
― earlnash, Monday, 4 June 2012 03:16 (11 months ago) Permalink
i remember hearing this on the radio after it came out. should have been a smash.
― scott seward, Monday, 4 June 2012 03:55 (11 months ago) Permalink
that album was almost but not quite top 20 when it came out and alabama getaway was the only chart single but it was way up there in the 60s.
― scott seward, Monday, 4 June 2012 03:56 (11 months ago) Permalink
lo0l that video
― it's smdh time in America (will), Monday, 4 June 2012 04:01 (11 months ago) Permalink
It definitely could have happened, as the Dead did try to tap into some serious Doobie Bros. action on that record and using Keith Olsen (Fleetwood Rumors) on Terrapin Station.
You could definitely cast Brent Mydland into the Michael McDonald role if it would have taken off.
You know that is exactly what Clive Davis was hoping would have happened.
The tunes are good and catchy but not 3 minute single tight.
― earlnash, Monday, 4 June 2012 04:03 (11 months ago) Permalink
There probably could be a good book (or fine Mojo article) written about the early days of Arista and their enforced Pop moves on Dinosaur band signees (Dead, Kinks, Allmans).
― Hare Kinsey (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 4 June 2012 04:24 (11 months ago) Permalink
naw man. let's be real about this, I'm not gonna monster-post it but look at the tracks on Workingman's Dead and look at the tracks on American Beauty and then look at the tracks on Wake of the Flood. Precipitous drop in the quality of the songs. "Stella Blue" is good live number in the '74 shows but here's Wake of the Flood:
"Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo" (Hunter, Garcia) – 5:45"Let Me Sing Your Blues Away" (Hunter, Godchaux) – 3:17"Row Jimmy" (Hunter, Garcia) – 7:14"Stella Blue" (Hunter, Garcia) – 6:26"Here Comes Sunshine" (Hunter, Garcia) – 4:40"Eyes of the World" (Hunter, Garcia) – 5:19"Weather Report Suite" – 12:53
if you can compare that tracklisting to the two studio albums that precede it & say with a straight face that the material's as good, well friend somebody's got challops but it ain't me
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 4 June 2012 04:26 (11 months ago) Permalink
I actually love 80s and early 90s Dead (and yeah obv coked-up late 70s Disco Dead is untouchable). psych fans and hipsters have kinda been taking a while to come around to 80s>90s Dead shows, I think because they were going way beyond psych conventions and into some pretty weird/poppy/slick territories/textures (although they were always like that, never a convential/formal psych band and yet way more out-there), often toying with all these odd and sometimes questionable synth and midi sounds. but now that people have opened up to yacht rock etc in recent years, I think they're probably more equipped/open now to dig into this stuff. and, I mean, between and around the all the yacht jams and synth ballads there's this really swirly, celestial kind of sound they go into in this period that imo is the Dead at its most profoundly psychedelic
― Chris S, Monday, 4 June 2012 04:38 (11 months ago) Permalink
and xxxp, really agree that Weir is one of the more interesting rhythm guitarists. maybe it can be partly tied to his dyslexia, but that man has the most original and illogical approach to rhythm... almost this Thelonius Monk sense of timing - all spastic jolts and skronks and splatterings of texture out of thin air
also, I always kind of dug his vaguely Cowboy-ish vocal persona, and he actually does these really interesting microtonal things in his singing, where he'll kind of lean against a note and start to bend it just below pitch, or sliding in and out of tune in this kind of liquid way.
― Chris S, Monday, 4 June 2012 04:58 (11 months ago) Permalink
xxp: if you're talking about the album, yeah, ok
― how's life, Monday, 4 June 2012 11:30 (11 months ago) Permalink
xxp: if you're talking about the album, yeah, ok. but most of those songs work really well live, in my experience. I mean, Mississippi Half-step and Row Jimmy are monsters. Even Let It Grow (from Weather Report Suite) is one of Weir's better numbers. Only one of those I don't really care for is Sing Your Blues Away.
― how's life, Monday, 4 June 2012 11:34 (11 months ago) Permalink
outsider artist:
― scott seward, Monday, 4 June 2012 12:28 (11 months ago) Permalink
best use of bob's weird bird:
― scott seward, Monday, 4 June 2012 14:29 (11 months ago) Permalink
What's the problem here, exactly??
"Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo" (Hunter, Garcia) – 5:45 - GREAT SONG"Let Me Sing Your Blues Away" (Hunter, Godchaux) – 3:17 - HOW YOU GONNA HATE KEITH'S ONE VOCAL CONTRIBUTION EVER? THIS SONG RULES"Row Jimmy" (Hunter, Garcia) – 7:14 - MASTERPIECE"Stella Blue" (Hunter, Garcia) – 6:26 - MASTERPIECE"Here Comes Sunshine" (Hunter, Garcia) – 4:40 - GREAT SONG "Eyes of the World" (Hunter, Garcia) – 5:19 GREAT SONG"Weather Report Suite" – 12:53 - ONE OF MY BOBBY'S BEST
Sure, the live versions are better - it's the Dead fer chrissakes! - but I'd argue that the closest the band ever came to making great studio albums was the trio of Grateful Dead Records releases, and this is the best of the bunch. Love this album. Add "Althea" and "Help On The Way / Slipknot! / Franklin's Tower" to this and you have pretty much all my favorite Dead songs (which, admittedly, have nothing to do with my favorite Dead 'jams').
American Beauty? Yall can have that shit. :)
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 4 June 2012 16:37 (11 months ago) Permalink
last night! we had pretty great seats, actually. fun show. sweet "rain and snow". cool solo version of "me & my uncle".
― tylerw, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 14:47 (11 months ago) Permalink
the shorts ain't as short as they used to be
― it's smdh time in America (will), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 15:11 (11 months ago) Permalink
he was wearing a fanny pack tho.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 15:13 (11 months ago) Permalink
"OK, thanks, everyone. The next song...wait, where are my keys?!...oh, right, in my fanny pack. So, the next song we're gonna do..."
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 18:25 (11 months ago) Permalink
just want to mark the moment I first heard somebody assert that "Here Comes Sunshine" is a "great song"
c'mon Mr. If Assholes I am not getting you! "Althea" and "Slipknot!/Help on the Way/Franklin's Tower" are two of my all-time all-times, those are killer killer tunes. "Stella Blue" can be really good live, it really opens up but..."Eyes of the World"? that's like the most egregious grafting of a chorus onto a verse where the two didn't fit...ugh down with Wake of the Flood
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:12 (11 months ago) Permalink
did i mention that i like wake of the flood? i mean i definitely play it more than shakedown street or terrapin.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:13 (11 months ago) Permalink
dude if you had been there in vegas in 93 during this crazy lightning/wind/rain storm and the dead starts playing "here comes sunshine" and the sun totally bursts through the clouds and covered us all in divine light oh man
― tylerw, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:14 (11 months ago) Permalink
but assholes goes to far with the contrarian american beauty hating. i mean come on. everyone knows that album is almost perfect except for pigpen. and even pigpen is needed cuz there can't be a perfect dead album.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:15 (11 months ago) Permalink
assholes to aerosmith: my dark journey into internet message board culture by scott seward
― scott seward, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:16 (11 months ago) Permalink
heh. yeah, huge deadhead here and I just never really got the appeal of Pigpen. he just sounds like someone's doofy big brother trying to do a weak blues impression for the first time at some open mic night
― Chris S, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:51 (11 months ago) Permalink
there's a part in the classic albums doc i just watched where they talk about pigpen and weir being repeatedly fired from the band in the early days but "they just wouldn't leave."
― tylerw, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 20:53 (11 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, I know Pig's heart was in the right place, loving those old R&B tunes, but I just can't listen to him.
― Soccer mom, hopeless and lost, in utter despair (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 21:04 (11 months ago) Permalink
I like the way he does "Smokestack Lightning."
― Trip Maker, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 21:08 (11 months ago) Permalink
xxp lol yeah, it's true. Weir just wouldn't get it together in the early years, and Pigpen - just a heavy drinking biker type - never had any interest in psychedelics, and during the long jams started getting lost and bored and would just plink a few notes at the keyboard looking morose and confused
― Chris S, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 21:10 (11 months ago) Permalink
Dude - the version on Dick's Picks 1 (Tampa) - you don't think this is the Dead at the peak of their powers? Are you sure you like the Dead?
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:02 (11 months ago) Permalink
And yeah, the Rock Scully book (hardly the best book on the band but worth reading if you like tabloids) goes pretty deep into the Pigpen / Bobby 'problem' (as it is identified repeatedly).
I can't hang with the Pigpen era much these days though the rave-ups are what got me interested in the band way back when.
77-82 is my favorite, especially if you just pretend that 1977 ended and then 1979 began. Of course, this would eliminate the year of my birth, but, you know, the Egypt concerts. Yeesh.
But really, I love all eras of the Dead - one of my favorite bands ever.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 22:07 (11 months ago) Permalink
http://facesofweir.tumblr.com/
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 March 2013 18:03 (2 months ago) Permalink
So not gonna happen...
― Vol. 3: The Life & Times of E. "Boom" Carter (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 March 2013 18:56 (2 months ago) Permalink
are you so sure, dude?
― how's life, Thursday, 21 March 2013 22:03 (2 months ago) Permalink
yeah i bet "it" happened a whole bunch for bob back in the day
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 March 2013 22:11 (2 months ago) Permalink
can we be shown weirdos + bob weir
― tylerw, Thursday, 21 March 2013 22:31 (2 months ago) Permalink
I know the Dead did some shows w/the Beach Boys back in the 70s, so it could exist, but a pic of Weir & Mike Love could destroy the universe, or at incite an instant mustache.
― Vol. 3: The Life & Times of E. "Boom" Carter (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 March 2013 22:47 (2 months ago) Permalink
lolcan't believe i can't find a picture of bob weir and mike love... what a stupid world!
― tylerw, Thursday, 21 March 2013 22:54 (2 months ago) Permalink
No results found for "weirdos + bob weir".
in what universe could this be true?
― brio, Thursday, 21 March 2013 22:55 (2 months ago) Permalink
if there was an award for having met the most weirdos, or having spent the most time with a wide range of weirdoss, weir would have a shot. he probably went months or years without having a non-weirdo conversation.
― brio, Thursday, 21 March 2013 23:01 (2 months ago) Permalink
haha otm
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 March 2013 23:04 (2 months ago) Permalink
― how's life, Sunday, 31 March 2013 22:18 (1 month ago) Permalink
we have a winner
― tylerw, Monday, 1 April 2013 02:24 (1 month ago) Permalink