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downloaded a song and kinda like it - anyone heard the record?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 30 March 2003 01:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

oops sorry - found the old thread. this is precisely the kinda thing that gets the lifers in a tizzy. Withdrawn

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 30 March 2003 01:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

ten months pass...
Our Endless Numbered Days has leaked. And I must say its quite good. Great production.

Chris V (Chris V), Friday, 6 February 2004 12:26 (twenty years ago) link

Rather nice. Very reminscent of Bonnie Prince Billy. Reminds me of Simon and Garfunkle in places.

Jimmy the Saint (Jimmy the Saint), Friday, 6 February 2004 12:35 (twenty years ago) link

Well you just mentioned two of my favorite artists. See I like fun.

Chris V (Chris V), Friday, 6 February 2004 13:51 (twenty years ago) link

I've only played it once but I thoought it was pretty good - the sort of stuff I imagine Nick Drake would have recorded if he'd been born 10-20 years later, somewhere in the deserts of North America.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:43 (twenty years ago) link

that makes me sad.

Chris V (Chris V), Friday, 6 February 2004 14:44 (twenty years ago) link

Hmmmm. I can see that.... but.... you mean "sad" in a good way, right?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 6 February 2004 15:07 (twenty years ago) link

yep, as in if he were still alive.

Chris V (Chris V), Friday, 6 February 2004 15:14 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
I liked the new album & all when I heard it, but listening again now after a while away it's sounding even better.

Mainly I'm just jumping in to rant about the worst paragraph of music writing I've read so far this year:

"Sam Beam - he is both Iron and Wine - is unusual, to say the least. Born and raised in the Latino-heavy sunshine state of Florida, he has somehow resisted the temptation to bang out potty-mouthed, super-heavy Miami bass and is, instead, the whispering ghost of a stripped-down, backwoods country blues he's probably no more closely related to than you or me."

http://www.nme.com/reviews/11618.htm

andrew s (andrew s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 20:04 (twenty years ago) link

Florida, outside of the big cities, is basically Alabama with more sun, is it not?

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 20:07 (twenty years ago) link

omg latino-heavy

Sym (shmuel), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 20:31 (twenty years ago) link

"Sam Beam - he is both Iron and Wine - is unusual, to say the least. Born and raised in the teen-idol-heavy sunshine state of Florida, he has somehow resisted the temptation to join a choreographed, nonthreatening Orlando boy band and is, instead, the whispering ghost of a stripped-down, backwoods country blues he's probably no more closely related to than you or me."

mike a, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 20:52 (twenty years ago) link

I don't even know where to start with that...oh, wait, "Latino-heavy"

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 01:19 (twenty years ago) link

It's pretty pleasant but I really don't get why this thing is #1 on CMJ. Though I never understand the fetish some people have for bearded mellow shit.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 01:25 (twenty years ago) link

"Bearded mellow shit" is *awfully* descriptive. ;)

I'll be the first to admit that some of The Creek Drank the Cradle was occasionally pretty creepy in a "crusty leering hippie with a hot tub" kind of way. That "burns a scented oil that I'll drip into your bath" line from "Lion's Mane" was the worst of it. But get past that and some of the tunes border on heroic. At his best, the guy manages to arrange imagery, melody, and lyricism into a shimmering whole. "Bird Stealing Bread" is as tender a song about lost love as there is or will be, made all the more courageous by how vulnerable it is.

Do his hands in your hair / feel a lot like a thing / you believe in
or a bit like a bird / stealing bread / out from under your nose?

"Upward Over the Mountain" should bring tears to the eyes of any son who might have tripped over more than his fair share of obstacles. "Muddy Hymnal" is a remarkably detailed and unsettling portrait considering it's brevity.

Our Endless Numbered Days is bit of a different beast. The production rubs the sleep out of Beam's eyes and leaves him with little to hide behind. It's a crisper album; there's more texture in his voice and his songs are less ambitious. While with Creek it seemed that a well-crafted phrase lurked behind every bridge, the only standout to these ears is "light strikes a deal with each coming night."

Still, taken in it's entirety, Days is the better work. It's more consistent though less inspired. Lyrically, he's already in danger of self-parody (more birds and farms and mommies and devils), but while he's less careful with his words the songs also tend to breathe a little better; he's just not pressing as much. In addition, the album's flow is superior with more upbeat passages to keep your ears piqued and pinned to Beam's vintage pipes.

To say the attraction to Iron & Wine is nostalgic misses the point; to say it's "credible" or "authentic" does the same. For a lot of listeners, I think it's simply timely. After spending a lot of hours listening to acts like Trapist, Radian, Autechre, Prefuse 73, M83, etc., it's pretty easy to find well-executed traditionalistic music appealing. This is warm, lush stuff to wind down to, and though I've certainly tried, it seems that I can't listen to Townes Van Zandt every day. So I'm down with Bonnie Billy and I'm down with Sam Beam.

Search, people! Search!

Evanston Wade (EWW), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 17:12 (twenty years ago) link

if that nme para had been from pitchfork this thread would be 10,000 posts long

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 17:26 (twenty years ago) link

When I first heard Iron and Wine and learned than he was from Miami, what ran through my stereotypist mind was pretty close to that NME quote. What a stupid thing to put in a review!

Curt (cgould), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 17:56 (twenty years ago) link

I liked the lo-fi EP better than either of his albums, but he comes in third or fourth among the larger bands of this style.

The Baptist Generals should be getting his press, they're a lot more fun.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:05 (twenty years ago) link

I want to like Iron & Wine more than I actually do. It's really pretty and stark, but sometimes I want a little more oomph, or at least a little more variety. I've heard Creek Drank and about half of Our Endless. Still, "Bird Stealing Bread" is really classic.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:07 (twenty years ago) link

Is it just me or is I&W basically just the first couple Elliott Smith albums with a little Southern Gothic in place of the swearing?

Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:10 (twenty years ago) link

(not that this is the worst thing, mind you)

Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

Fewer drugs too, Sean...unfortunately. :)

To avoid having to forge an actual argument: Elliott Smith sounds like he's about to flitter away at any moment; Sam Beam sounds like he might make a "yawn" move at any moment.

Love the Baptist Generals. "St. Christopher's Medal" from No Silver/No Gold is a classic. Seemed like all that hollerin' scared a lot of people off, though. How can this be?

Evanston Wade (EWW), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago) link

he plays in mallorca (with rosie thomas) next week, but i'll miss it.
then again, i'll be seeing howe gelb's solo shows in the continent, you can't have it all.
about the paragraph in the NME, if curt had thought the same, why is it stupid to put it in a review? maybe that shows that the writer doesn't really know what he's talking about, but if he really thinks so, should he write something else?

joan vich (joan vich), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago) link

Joan, it's such a meaningless stereotype, I think It's stupid unless he goes on to punture it, which he doesn't appear to do, unless I am stereotyping the NME's insousiant ways.

Curt (cgould), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:44 (twenty years ago) link

If he'd just substituted "gator-rasslin" for "latino-heavy," all would be forgiven.

Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:50 (twenty years ago) link

Then again, if he had said, "gator-rasslin' latinos", where would he have been?

Evanston Wade (EWW), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

ten months pass...
The new "Woman King" EP is really nice. Also, they played "Naked As We Came" at the end of last night's episode of The L Word!
one year passes...
Evanston Wade: "'Bird Stealing Bread' is as tender a song about lost love as there is or will be, made all the more courageous by how vulnerable it is."

“Bird Stealing Bread” is my favorite song from The Creek Drank The Cradle. I'm never sure if Beam is referring to a lost love or a lost child, but even the thought that it's the latter puts a different -- and very sad -- gloss on the song.

And I think he's sidestepped self-parody nicely, by writing more muscular songs with more varied instrumentation. I thought I read that he's preparing his next full-length album for late 2006. Has anyone heard about this or about the direction his music has taken?

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 12 June 2006 01:21 (seventeen years ago) link

95% crap

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 12 June 2006 03:21 (seventeen years ago) link

other 5% is pretty nice tho

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 12 June 2006 03:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think his lyrics are really all that interesting. They're okay I guess. His voice took me a little getting used to - seemed too soft and breathy at first - but I can appreciate its soothing qualities. However, he seems to be pretty good at crafting melodies. I like the EP he did with Calexico.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

"The Trapeze Swinger" = boss.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Monday, 12 June 2006 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

"Dead Man's Will" is fucking devastatingly sad.

Simon H. (Simon H.), Monday, 12 June 2006 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, he's a brilliant songwriter. ''16 or Less," ''Jezebel,'' ''Love and Some Verses,'' ''Bird Stealing Bread,'' and ''Each Coming Night,'' among others, are outstanding, melancholy songs.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 12 June 2006 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

new album spring 2010.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 14 March 2010 05:56 (fourteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

Will somebody tell me how he got big enough to play Radio City Music Hall in NY? That's a big room.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:17 (thirteen years ago) link

i mean, he's a relatively big indie-ish act.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Iron and Wine covers George Michael.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link

So we just need New Order to cover Iron and Wine and the circle is complete.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I was going to say: Swing Out Sister.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Songs in major keys on the new album are great! Have we discussed this somewhere

calstars, Thursday, 18 April 2013 21:31 (eleven years ago) link

Iron & Wine - Lovers' Revolution (2013)

I'll see about getting the title changed

pssstttt, Hey you (dog latin), Thursday, 18 April 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

"Will you say to me when I'm gone
Your face has faded but lingers on
'Cause light strikes a deal with
Each coming night
Coming night"

Pretty good pen, this guy.

Mule, Friday, 26 September 2014 19:55 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

New one, love letter for fire, nice

calstars, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 19:10 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

Dude has 3 million listeners on Spotify, about 10x what I expected

calstars, Saturday, 18 August 2018 01:57 (five years ago) link

probably featured in the OC or something

Ludo, Saturday, 18 August 2018 06:38 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

I'm guessing there aren't many Iron & Wine fans left around here, but this new archival release is beautiful stuff. A "lost" album he recorded three years before the Sub Pop debut, not quite as hushed and sparse as The Creek Drank the Cradle, he's actually got a near full band backing him up, it has a nice Neil Young vibe going on. Didn't expect to love this nearly as much as I do.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link

Probably featured in the OC or something

Close - House, MD. It's my only association with Iron and Wine and it's completely ruined it for me unfortunately.

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 18:33 (two years ago) link

I likewise didn't expect to find it as strong as I did--I imagine it got a recent remaster before its public release, but still am v impressed by how good Tallahassee sounds for an off-the-cuff lost debut (it also helps that I had low to no expectations for it).

Kangol In The Light (Craig D.), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 18:33 (two years ago) link

Ghost on Ghost was a really good record, I should try out the ones that have come since

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 18:41 (two years ago) link


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