Fleetwood Mac: Classic or Dud

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Is 'Rumours' the 'OK Computer' for the 'Whisperin' Bob Harris generation or would you rather 'jack'... than Fleetwood Mac?

D*A*V*I*D*M, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I like OLD Fleetwood Mac - when they made R&B (rhythm & blues, not Rap & Bullshit!). Prior to THAT WOMAN's arrival.

Kodanshi, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Old Fleetwood Mac def a classic (in Greatest Hits LP form anyway - probably not in the full albums, like most British Blues): Black Magic Woman, Green Manalishi, Shake Your Money Maker, etc and especially 'Love that burns' (i think that's the title). New Fleetwood Mac still surprisingly listenable - Rumours, Mirage, Tusk etc are worth the charity shop 50p.

m jemmeson, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the set-up. And now:

Yes, Rumours *is* the OK Computer of its time. Therefore . . . dud.

[Kidding aside, I find both to be decent records, if not exactly "classics."]

Nitsuh, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I luvvvvv Tusk - well, mainly the Lindsey Buckingham stuff. I will confess to enjoying the Nicks ballads on it as well - they fit nicely. I'm sorry, I know Stevie Nicks represents everything I hate (witchy unicorn crap), but it just has this desert feel to it that works for me.

Rumours I don't really care about, since I've been familiar with that one from childhood and I get nothing fresh from it.

Kerry Keane, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

'Rumors' is a soft rock classic... a really thought out, ruling album. They were a bit like Blue Oyster Cult in that the music was so soft and gentle, but there was still a hint of menace about the band. Here is California, Rumors is one of the Great California albums... like the first Doors, Hotel California, etc... showing the darkness beneath the palm trees. And when I was in 3rd grade, there was NOBODY like Stevie Nicks, with a silver coke straw up her ass... (and that legend was recently confirmed to me.)

Andy, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Big guilty pleasure - two of the singles off Stevie Nicks' second solo alb, "If Anyone Falls" and the amazing "Stand Back" - can anyone tell me if they were both written by Prince? That's what I heard, anyway.

tarden, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Stevie Nicks rocks: always did always will. A punk goddess among hippie has-beens.

mark s, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Old blooze F.M.: dud

New F.M.: Spaced-out California cokehead popmasters: Classic to almost rival ABBA. 'Fleetwood Mac' is okay, but 'Rumours' and esp. 'Tusk' are utterly brilliant, and the come-back album is underrated. Stevie Nicks = amazing pixie with one strange voice.

Omar, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Classic music, dud people.

chris, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

You cain't like pop songmanship without liking Rumours and most of the Fleetwood Mac and Tusk albums.

"Think About Me" from Tusk and "Never Going Back Again" in addition to most of the hits (especially the ones by Christine and Lindsey) are muchos yummy.

Blake, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Can somebody explain to me why Rumours is the O.K. Computer of the seventies? As I recall, and I really need to listen to the album again to confirm this, there were NO animals tied to stakes driven into frozen winter shit on Rumours. Or was Stevie the pig on antibiotics?

Seriously, was Rumours "ground-breaking?" Please explain. Is this comparison, between Radiohead und Fleety Mac, what you humans call "sarcasm?" Rumours sounds like standard 60s-70s pop production to me. Sure is a good record, though. Tusk was a little wierd...

Or are we saying that Okay, Computer!! isn't groundbreakin? Maybe that's what we're saying. By saying "we" I don't know who I'm referring to. What was the question?

Blake, Tuesday, 3 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Tarden, I admit it, too - I love "Stand Back," and I stole my mom's old 45 copy of it. I am serious about this, though: if you are fortunate enough to own it on 45, slow it down to 33 RPM and tell me Stevie doesn't sound eerily like Mick Jagger. I shit you not. As soon as I become technologically adept, I plan on burning an mp3 of it and becoming famous for my discovery (which I've already patented, so don't even think about it).

Clarke B., Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Warning: ILM turning into www.mojo_q_uncut.co.uk. Really, maybe we can pass a rule that states that every question must mention: R*d**h**d, The B**tl*s or Brian bloody W*ls*n?

- Daft Punk: which robot is the John Lennon?

- Mingus' 'Ah-hum': the 'Ok Computer' of jazz?

- Orpheus: the Brian Wilson of ancient Greece? Oh and search & destroy his underrated post-Hades phase!

Omar, Wednesday, 4 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...
REVIVE! I wanna talk about ver 'Mac.

No mention of their godlike rhythm section? Tsk. Lindsey is a god of production and a brilliant fingerpicking guitarist. Mirage and Tango In The Night are often overlooked and really pretty good records, although not quite up to the Rumours/Tusk standard. Forget the stuff post-Lindsey, some of it is alright but not classic in the least. The version of the band that featured none of Stevie/Lindsey/Christine is just embarrassing.

Having recently listened to their Greatest Hits recently, I was quite struck by the fact that my favourite Mac songs are Stevie's. "Sara" is phenomenal.

Classic. Oh yes.

electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Pretty good. I don't know if it was groundbreaking, but "Rumors" at least had a pretty disinctive sound to it. I wish I had missed the Clinton inaugural fiasco, though.

DeRayMi, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Actually this is my test band. If someone doesn't like Rumours Tusk or the S/T one, out he/she goes. :-)

nathalie, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

They were a bit like Blue Oyster Cult in that the music was so soft and gentle, but there was still a hint of menace about the band.

I suppose the Blue Oyster Cult was somewhat gentler than Black Sabbath or AC/DC but this still seems like a bizarre characterization of their music.

sundar subramanian, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

well it works if all the BOC you ever heard is "Don't Fear The Reaper", & that's prob the case for most ppl...

, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

11 months pass...
They were a bit like Blue Oyster Cult

This occurred to me tonight, when I was listening to "I'm So Afraid" (which I've decided is my favorite Fleetwood Mac song... see my top 100 singles list). The mid-to-late '70s Fleetwood Mac had this great moody quasi-metal stoner-goth impulse that reared its head every so often. You mostly hear it in the Stevie songs, but Lindsey had it in him too. :-)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 March 2003 10:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

I would say quite dud. And that goes for both the AOR era and the Peter Green-years. There were considerably better AOR acts around during the 70s.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

Their early years showed them to be a wonderfrul blues/throwback act with both humor and class. Maybe not a substantial enough offering to be considered classic, but i like it.

You Never Know What Your Missing
Need You Love So Bad
Heavenly
Albatros

---ABut, you can't really compare the early years with their more popular 70s/80s era (which, of course, i don't particularly care for).

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

There were considerably better AOR acts around during the 70s.

Like Genesis!! Geir, I kiss you.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

You Never Know What Your Missing
Need You Love So Bad
Heavenly
Albatros

"The Green Manalishi"!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

There were considerably better AOR acts around during the 70s.
Like Genesis!! Geir, I kiss you.

The only AOR album Genesis released during the 70s was "And Then There Were Three". Which was a better album than anything Fleetwood Mac did, so you're right anyway. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Firth of Fifth" is AOR, Geir. "Supper's Ready (edit)" is too.

Hey what's the one Geir that starts out "Up on the forest road, there's hundreds of cars and they're luxury cars!! Each has got a load of convertible bars, cutlery scars, and superstars!! 'Cause tonite is the night when they sort it out sort it out, because they can't seem to agree on their gerrymandered boundaries? There's Salamander Slim with his whiskey and gin, whiskey and gin...and Big-Assed Rocker Ted, he's touched in the head, touched in the head? 'Cause tonite they gonna sort it out, sort it out, yes they're finding ways to agree on a boundary?" I may have gotten a few words wrong but I'm working from memory here--it's really a good song.

Jess Hill (jesshill), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

Someone recently sent me the DVD Audio version of Rumours and it was so tinny it hurt my freakin' ears. What's even better, because I was blasting it to check out the sound quality of a computer sound card I was testing, I was able to irritate all the people around me: the guy who works next to me has near-violent reactions when he hears Rumours, having been forced to listen to it repeatedly earlier in his life.

Jim is right: Mirage is totally underrated. I used to love that album.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

Man of the world -classic
rest-dud

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Thursday, 20 March 2003 19:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

Is the Buckingham Nicks LP any good?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

I love Fleetwood Mac. Classic, definitely. Landslide is a beautiful song. A cocaine FM classic and a heartbreaker.

Is Spiritualised - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space a Rumours for the 90s?

S Samson, Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

no it isn't. unless kate radley wrote lots of songs about how much of a crap partner jason pierce was

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

I like Tusk a lot. I like how Buckingham takes what are essentially radio-ready singles and fucks with the mix so that one part (say the drums in "What Makes You Think You're the One") dominates more than is typically acceptable on the radio. Like the arrangements reveal all the hidden impulses of '70s AOR.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

Thye classic thing about Rumours is not just the songs, which are good, but the gut-wrenching, awful, almost horrifying sound of bile spewing out of a severed duct at the end of a relationship. It's one of the bitterest albums ever, and therefore one of the greatest break-up albums, if not the breakup album.

It also works as kind of a moral lesson about the excess. When you're in a rock band, and you get so coked up every night that you start to think that fucking your band members is a good idea, even when they're married to other band members, these are the feelings you end up with.

Classic. Very.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

Funny this thread got revived because I've been thinking I may need to investigate that middle period a bit more (the Bob Welch era in between the blues stuff and the Buckingham Nicks era). I've had Bare Trees for a while and quite like it. It's been on my mental list of records I want to relisten to but I just haven't gotten to it yet. So the other night I downloaded "Hypnotized" from this album Mystery to Me and it just KILLS. I wonder if there are other little Welch gems buried on some of those forgotten records.

I love the Peter Green era so much. Green is so much better a blues guitarist than Clapton it's not even funny. And I actually sort of like Clapton! He's just such a ripoff artist though, and you never get the sense he really feels any of it, save for Layla. Whereas we know Green was a troubled soul, and it really comes through in his music. Like he really needed to play the blues, maaaan.

But just the whole presentation is great, the hardcore blues covers (with that very good McVie Fleetwood rhythm section), the fabulous Green originals, Jeremy Spencer's sense of humor and SPOT-ON Elmore James rips (though a little definitely goes a long way), Danny Kirwan's shy introspective stuff.

The record that nailed it for me is Shrine '69. I swear it is one of the best live albums ever. It's just really taut and the setlist is great and the playing is flawless. You get the whole show - around 45 minutes - and it's just right. They were the opening band that night, and they just go out and rip through their tunes and it's a fun listen. Peter Green's playing and singing on the version of Little Willie John's "Need Your Love So Bad" is tremendous.

I better stop but of course Then Play On is great as is the BBC Sessions, which has a bunch of things that weren't recorded elsewhere (and a great version of "Rattlesnake Shake").

Oh yeah, Buckingham Nicks era is pretty rad as well.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

Wait, why can't I stop using that pesky word "great" all the time? NEW WORDS PLEASE.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

Second on Shrine '69.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

hm. I'd never read the AMG for that. What is with that Richie Unterberger guy anyway? What the heck is his deal? Does he hate "fun"?

The worst thing for him is that I would be sort of interested in reading his books, but the writing of his I've read elsewhere has totally put me off.

Anyway, good on ya Kenan for digging that disc.

Also, I was sort of thinking: Isn't it weird that there is like thirtysomething replies to a thread about one of the weirdest (with the coming-and-going-of-different-personnel, the radical sound shifts), longest running, most "IMPORTANT" (certainly best-selling) groups around? Where are all the pop fans? Or is it all too maybe obvious.

Anyway a fascinating band.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 06:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

Little Lies is amazing. Talk about baroque. There are so many moving parts, and still so much space. And the fragility gets smashed on every chorus with that absurd WHONNG synth stab.

g.cannon (gcannon), Friday, 21 March 2003 06:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yes this is absolutely why I love Little Lies.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 23 March 2003 11:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

I second their having a god-like rhythm section. Mick Fleetwood may be the most underrated drummer ever.

Burr (Burr), Sunday, 23 March 2003 19:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

Classic classic classic classic classic. I was all prepared to hate or at least dislike them when I finally sat down and listened to _Tusk_, and it completely blindsided me. I also highly recommend _Then Play On_--incredibly dark bitter late-night stuff inspired by the spirit rather than the form of electric blues.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
RUMOURS IS THE GREATEST LP EVER RELEASED. FLEETWOOD MAC IS THE GREATEST BAND IN THE WHOLE WORLD!!! STOP DISSING ON THEM!!!!
NIKAYLA~

Nikayla Crews, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

why do random googlers always assume we're dissing things? and who the fuck in their right mind would diss fleetwood mac anyway?

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

and why does massive cocaine abuse MAKE YOU UNABLE TO FIND THE CAPS LOCK KEY?

noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

Not much dissing on this thread, honey... For the last week, I've been putting on repeat 'The Chain' just to hear that slight reprise with the awe-inspiring guitar freak-out..

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

Stevie Nicks rocks: always did always will. A punk goddess among hippie has-beens.
-- mark s (mar...), July 3rd, 2001.

Yes hahah well Lindsey B is an androgynous punk god (just check the photos in the Tusk CD booklet - next to the other four he looks like he's wandered in from the Blitz Club). Stevie N is a hippy through and through but only an inadvertent punk goddess, which usually are the best ones.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

Lindsey's punk-godhood seconded! Recently found the live double lp from 1980 and the inside photos in the gatefold album sleeve are worth the price alone. Everyone else sports either a beard or feather-cut soft-focus hippie hair while LB's all skinny, jacket-wearing, staring wired-up...

Janne (Janne), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

Those photos are highly disturbing. Haven't owned a copy of that album in a while, but LB's contact lenses are highly visible if I remember correctly. "What the fuck is up with his eyes? Oh.. I see."

retort pouch (retort pouch), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

For the last week, I've been putting on repeat 'The Chain' just to hear that slight reprise with the awe-inspiring guitar freak-out..

The freak-out sounds very proto-postpunk to my ears! At least until the more bluesy part toward the end of it. I can imagine JD or The Sound making something similar...

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

Fleetwood Mac without a doubt have more energy on stage STILL!!!! than any of the new acts around, they keep the speed of the songs up without a breath, or a brick in the wall...

Even in the recording studio they can still write songs
that are fresh and up-lifting, Still years left in them yet.

Only The Kinks are equal to the LIVE! performance
you will see on the Fleetwood Mac - Say You Will World Tour.


ROCK ON... THE Mac

James Knight Miller, Monday, 26 April 2004 17:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

Caillat talks about it in his book -- it may actually be Carol Ann. He was totally freaked out by it and basically realized Buck was a terrible person as a result.

There are other stories as well relating to Stevie.

If your point about coke is related to memory, then that doesn't really hold water because I don't think there's much doubt that hitting/choking women (and guys too IIRC) is a well-documented "thing" for him.

If its "hey, people do crazy things when they're fucked up" or "he just had an anger management problem" -- give me a break.

And if it's "not every woman he's been with has written a tell-all book about his physical abuse," then you obviously don't know much about it -- because the whole point is that women DON'T talk about it. Not enough anyway. They stick with abusive guys long after they should for a variety of reasons -- almost all really sad and really common.

Part of the reason I'm just not giving in here is that I spent today reading all these people justifying Mike Rice, the coach of Rutgers, berating his players and throwing balls at their heads as "old school" and "character building."

It's neither. There's nothing justifiable about abuse -- not the era where it was tolerated, nothing.

If Lindsey has gotten help and gotten this under control, great. But it doesn't make him any different than Ike Taylor or Chris Brown.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 4 April 2013 03:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

Picturing Taylor Swift throwing a b-ball at Ed Sheeran in a mixing desk rage. Thanking you.

how's life, Thursday, 4 April 2013 10:33 (1 month ago) Permalink

I'm not trying to convince you. xpost There is no excuse to hit or abuse anyone, especially not your sig. other. I would not be surprised that Buckingham was an emotionally abusive person, prone to screaming, fits, maybe even violence. But so far the only source, anywhere - I read Caillat's book, and don't remember him going into this in much detail - that really goes into is the Harris book, which, again, does not make it untrue. But the difference between Buckingham and Rice, Brown, Ike et al. is that the violence of the latter crew has been well-documented. Buckingham is a massively public figure with massively public relationships, from a band famous above all else for its emotional distress and discussing it, at length, through song and interviews and, yes, tell-alls and docs. It would take a hundred people turning their backs or covering up for him to keep this physically abusive side of him a secret for decades, though I admit it's possible! It's a scummy business. I've read enough of these tell alls, from Motley Crue to Peter Criss to Zevon to whomever to believe they're likely all terrible people prone to far worse than what actually gets reported.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 April 2013 11:57 (1 month ago) Permalink

But so far the only source, anywhere - I read Caillat's book, and don't remember him going into this in much detail - that really goes into is the Harris book

Since I have the Caillat book on Kindle, allow me to refresh your memory:

Suddenly, Lindsey barged through the front door from the street and went directly into the studio. A few minutes later, Richard and Christina came in the back door, having parked behind the studio. They both walked past Lindsey without saying a word and went directly into the control room. Christina was white and trembling. There were no jokes coming from Richard, either. “I’ll go talk to him,” Richard said to Christina.

He walked out of the control room and closed the door. “What happened?” I asked Christina, who had begun to cry hysterically. “I don’t know. I think it’s over. And what’s worse is that Lindsey punched me in the face. Then he started yelling all this crazy stuff about how he couldn’t take it, and I had to leave.” Richard came in and told Christina that Lindsey was sorry, that he didn’t know what had happened, but he did want her to leave.

I called a cab for Christina, and that was it. She was gone. I really thought Christina and Lindsey had been great together. I’ll never forget how she trembled after Lindsey attacked her. Her face had red marks on it where he had hit her. Lindsey always seemed to be wound a little too tight, but I hadn’t expected that he would get physical with a woman. I felt sick, as if the magic had been destroyed.

Little did I know that I would also experience his physical rage in the near future. Richard was upset, too. He had been at the house at the time and had seen the whole thing. “What are you doing, Lindsey? Are you fucking crazy?” he demanded when we were alone with Lindsey. “You don’t do that to people!” “I know. You’re right,” Lindsey said. “I don’t know why she got me that mad.”

“Let’s get out of here,” Richard said. Lindsey and I agreed. It was Saturday, and we decided to take a break until Monday at noon.

...

The guys were getting along really well at this point, but I kept thinking about what Lindsey had done to Christina a couple days before. I was fighting a battle, admiring his musical genius and being disgusted by his personal behavior. I guess I should have been prepared for his violent streak against Christina by his actions in the past, but time would reveal the real Lindsey to me soon enough. I’d had the weekend to think about Lindsey’s attack against Christina. Talking to Cheryl had helped. She felt that it was good that Christina was gone, or it probably would have gotten worse. I wondered whether Lindsey had ever physically hurt Stevie.

I didn’t know if he had in the past, but I would see him kick her in the butt onstage during the Tusk tour three years later.

And I'm not even including the part where Lindsey chokes Caillat for erasing a track he asked him to tape over

Not a lot of shades of grey here, Josh.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 4 April 2013 18:30 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yeah, sounds like a dick, a massively enabled dick working in a world of fellow massively enabled and enabling dicks. It's just a shame that this stuff stays silent for decades until it's time for someone to write a book.

I don't know, but is there a distinction to be made between a person prone to violent outbursts and someone with a specific pattern of physically abusing women? He sounds like an abusive person, period.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 April 2013 20:27 (1 month ago) Permalink

I don't know, but is there a distinction to be made between a person prone to violent outbursts and someone with a specific pattern of physically abusing women? He sounds like an abusive person, period.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, April 4, 2013 3:27 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't know what incredibly fine hair you are trying to split here.

ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 April 2013 20:30 (1 month ago) Permalink

I'm not! But wife/girlfriend beater is the absolute bottom, as far as distinctions go. There are a host of horrible people in music and stuff who are not held in nearly as ill esteem as others who beat or otherwise abuse women.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 April 2013 20:35 (1 month ago) Permalink

I guess I'm just trying to gauge how irredeemable he is, or these belated revelations make him. The closest analogy I can think of is a pro athlete. If an athlete is caught doing drugs, that's one thing. If an athlete is caught using steroids, that's as bad as it gets, and that will be an asterisk that follows him around for the rest of his life.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 April 2013 21:02 (1 month ago) Permalink

does it matter whether he's irredeemable? I mean, he's an irredeemable asshole who made fantastic music.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2013 21:08 (1 month ago) Permalink

It matters a little to me, yeah, especially since he seems to have made a conscious effort to chill out and make himself better. Operative word being "seems," I guess. As opposed to the usual unrepentant suspects.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 April 2013 21:12 (1 month ago) Permalink

I wondered whether Lindsey had ever physically hurt Stevie.

well there was this:

"I was crying when we took that picture. And Lindsey was mad at me. He said, 'You know, you're just being a child. This is art.' And I'm going, 'This is not *art*. This is me taking a nude photograph with you, and I don't dig it.'"

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 4 April 2013 21:19 (1 month ago) Permalink

For a bunch of sixty-year olds they sure can put on a good show! I seriously feared Lindsey was gonna have a heart attack after "I'm So Afraid." They have a new song called "Sad Angel" and it's gonna be a huge hit. Stevie was singing like an angel, and they all looked like they were having the time of their lives up there. Rock!

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 5 April 2013 15:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

I guess I'm just trying to gauge how irredeemable he is, or these belated revelations make him. The closest analogy I can think of is a pro athlete. If an athlete is caught doing drugs, that's one thing. If an athlete is caught using steroids, that's as bad as it gets, and that will be an asterisk that follows him around for the rest of his life.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, April 4, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's much more like when an athlete beats his wife.

how's life, Friday, 5 April 2013 15:57 (1 month ago) Permalink

xp that's nice to hear, Mr. Snrub. I 've got tix to see them soon, and am a tad nervous (first time seeing them ... emotionally invested in the music ... expectations yadda yadda...)

collardio gelatinous, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 05:32 (1 month ago) Permalink

classic

The description of my page is: Gargoyles Swimsuit Special (Matt P), Wednesday, 10 April 2013 06:14 (1 month ago) Permalink

http://www.bigozine2.com/TRKSB/FMcolumbus/FMcolumbus104.mp3
[live debut of that new song]

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 15:15 (1 month ago) Permalink

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/music/midnight-sun-blog/bal-fleetwood-mac-at-verizon-center-review,0,4842455.story
Nice review of the Baltimore gig from Lexie Mountain.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 15:32 (1 month ago) Permalink

Technically, that's really the Baltimore Sun review of a show in Washington DC at the Verizon Center. Here's the W. Post freelancer's take:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/fleetwood-mac-relives-rumours-as-crowd-revels-in-hits-at-verizon-center/2013/04/10/118044a0-a1e5-11e2-9c03-6952ff305f35_story.html

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 18:05 (1 month ago) Permalink

This is such a weird, weirdly wrong graf:

The night wasn’t only about “Rumours.” Drummer Mick Fleetwood, 65, who lived in the D.C. area in the 1990s while running a nightclub named Fleetwood’s in Alexandria, got to shine during “Not That Funny” and “Tusk,” both cuts from a 1979 percussion-heavy double LP also called “Tusk” that served as a sort of musical equivalent of “Heaven’s Gate.” The band delivered the collection so over budget (it was labeled the costliest record ever made) that the album was considered a flop before it hit the bins. But, as Buckingham boasted while introducing the “Tusk” portion of the set, time has been kind. The record ended up selling in the multi-platinum range and has been embraced in more recent decades by scads of indie-rock bands, who have mined edginess from perhaps the most middle-of-the-road band in rock annals. Two examples: The Decemberists covered “Think About Me,” and Camper Van Beethoven covered the entire two-record set.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 18:19 (1 month ago) Permalink

I had never heard the Peter Green stuff....it's awesome! What should I go for after Best Of...which is all I've heard? Thanks.

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 11 April 2013 03:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

The Best Of actually does a pretty good job, imo. Though Green is a great player, so maybe some live stuff?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2013 11:53 (1 month ago) Permalink

Mick Fleetwood, 65, who lived in the D.C. area in the 1990s while running a nightclub named Fleetwood’s in Alexandria

mad i didn't know this (but i guess i wasn't old enough to go at the time anyway)

fauxmarc, Thursday, 18 April 2013 19:55 (1 month ago) Permalink

Drove down from Boston to see FM at Mohegan Sun tonight. I have a lot of thoughts, but I'm quite tired so I'll keep it short:

They are really into it.

collardio gelatinous, Sunday, 21 April 2013 06:11 (1 month ago) Permalink

Mick Fleetwood, 65, who lived in the D.C. area in the 1990s while running a nightclub named Fleetwood’s in Alexandria

anyone know what this club was like?

NI, Monday, 22 April 2013 01:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

i've never been there but i know it was awesome

authentically inauthentic (Pat Finn), Monday, 22 April 2013 01:44 (1 month ago) Permalink

So when is that new EP coming out?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 20:33 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

has this been mentioned re: christine?

‘If they wanted me to, I might pop back on stage when they’re in London,’ she says, gracing me with a rare interview, ‘just to do a little duet or something like that.’

:O http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/04/fleetwood-mac-the-resurgent-1970s-icons-head-out-on-a-new-world-tour-3581866/

just sayin, Thursday, 25 April 2013 10:00 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

So when is that new EP coming out?

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, April 24, 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This week, possibly tomorrow, I heard.

Recent performance of one of the new songs:

collardio gelatinous, Monday, 29 April 2013 15:43 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

EP's out!

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 12:57 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

where? iTunes?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 13:31 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Yep. Two Buckingham, one Nicks.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 13:33 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Buckingham-Nicks musical collab is approx. 45 yrs old now. So is Fleetwood-McVie.

Just thought I'd point that out.

collardio gelatinous, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 14:30 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

peepee, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 15:45 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

That exchange may be the all-time greatest moment from Mighty Boosh

Moodles, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 17:05 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

That and the 'Gary Numan vs. Jazz-Funk' exchange.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 17:07 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

aaah i love that Tusk bit

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 17:10 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

A terrific recent Nicks interview. Has she ever sounded this perceptive and healthy? Note how she and a fan break down thinking of each other's moms.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 02:56 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Ooh, will watch asap

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 02:57 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

on record store day a woman picked up tusk and asked the guy she was with if it was good and he said, in an authoritative tone, "it's a late work, but i think some people consider it to be good." some people.

rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 03:28 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

someone introduce lindsey to a graphic designer pls

mookieproof, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 03:39 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

"it's a late work, but i think some people consider it to be good."

BAAAARFF

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 04:52 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

as if there are "some people" for whom the song Sara means nothing.

rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 05:07 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

idk, you overhear a lot of weird things on record store day

rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 05:08 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

that's alllllll for everyoooonee

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 05:12 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

What makes think you're the one who can record store day without cryin?

P is for Poo Poo Doo Doo (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 05:29 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

"it's a late work, but i think some people consider it to be good."

why do people who don't have any opinions still feel the need to have and share an opinion?

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 07:19 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah OMG i cant believe someone had an opinion on a record and responded to a direct question about said record with the opinion

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 09:37 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

it's not really an opinion, is it, though? it says nothing.

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 09:47 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

It's not an opinion -- it's the floundering of a dude who steals his expertise from what he reads who can't remember what he read about the record in question.

Three Word Username, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 10:02 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Note how she and a fan break down thinking of each other's moms.

OK, haven't watched this yet, but I will when I get a chance. But the situation reminds me of this Nicks radio interview she did in the late 80s. They were taking phone calls from listeners and this young woman calls in like "my best friend is dying in the hospital and she's a huge Stevie Nicks fan, will you come out and visit her." And Nicks respectfully declined, but she was obviously totally shook up by the request. It made me think about all the weighty emotional stuff that people probably share with musicians or other celebrities and entertainers that they feel some sort of deep connection to. I know even smaller indoor artists get more of this kind of contact than they can stand sometimes, but I'd bet that Nicks might attract this line of outreach, even moreso than lots of other mega celebrities.

how's life, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 11:04 (3 weeks ago) Permalink


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