Green Day: C/D?

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I'm so on the fence about this band.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 1 March 2003 09:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

I've been soooooo tempted to get that greatest hits comp that came out a couple of years ago. I've loved most of their singles, and not completely loathed the rest (except for the ballad). That "Picture Book" knockoff from their last album were fantastic.

― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 1 March 2003 09:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Have you got the time to listen to me whine?"

Well, sometimes. "Longview" is fucking great, as far as simple adolescent dissatisfaction goes. "Time of Our Lives," or whatever that's called, sucks like a hoover. Most everything else is in the muddy middle.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 1 March 2003 10:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

two songs off "Dookie" and fuck the rest

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Saturday, 1 March 2003 10:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

I find it very hard not to hold them wholly responsible for the wave of Good Charlotte Blink 182 Sum 41 Simple Plan shit that we're forced to contend with today. That said, I thought they were okay at the time -- despite flagranty ripping off the Dickies.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 1 March 2003 10:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

― mei (mei), Saturday, 1 March 2003 13:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

For my sins (and there are many) I am teaching a 14 year old Green Day fan to play guitar, and the song he wanted to start with was "Warning". All the time I've been helping him come to terms with those three repetitive chords it's been bugging me what it's ripped off from - thanks to James above for telling me it's "Picture Book"!

He also lent me the greatest hits CD - DUD!

― Rob M (Rob M), Saturday, 1 March 2003 14:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

I think Dookie and all their singles are great. Why are you on the fence about them? It's because they're Green Day, isn't it? Nevermind that, they're catchy!

― Adam A. (Keiko), Saturday, 1 March 2003 15:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

I remember doing this thread already. In any case, since I still like all the music I listened to in high school, I say Classic Classic Classic.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Saturday, 1 March 2003 17:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

Led Zeppelin is too derivative for you but you're on the fence about Green Day? Oh well, "Longview" is not bad, actually feels kind of 60s for me. "Basket Case" was kind of catchy for the time but "I'm just stoned" was so anticlimactic after the chorus and not in a good way. There was a busker in one of the subway stops in Montreal who played "When I Come Around" on an acoustic guitar, which was perfectly enjoyable. I'm not ready to buy an album though. I'd probably take any of the Offspring's pre-"Pretty Fly" hits or Sum 41's "In Too Deep" over any Green Day song.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 1 March 2003 17:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

Classic. Responsible for plenty of singles I'm happy to hear, even if they never struck me as being insane-great or whatever. "When I Come Around" sounded pretty good last time I heard it. Always liked "Walking Contradiction," "Macy's Day Parade," "Hitchin' A Ride," "Longview," "Basket Case." Always been a bit workman-like for my tastes.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 17:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

all punk purists hate them tho right? assuming they all hate the concept of punk-pop by design at all?

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 1 March 2003 18:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

I could imagine a punk purist being ok with them being they have ROOTS in "real punk," as opposed to guys like Simple Plan.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 19:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

Taking Sides: "Basket Case" vs (The Offspring's) "Self Esteem".

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 1 March 2003 19:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

Basket Case easy. That dumb not a dweeb line always bugged me.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 March 2003 19:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Self-Esteem" all the way, no contest. More interesting and effective voice, more memorable and urgent-sounding tune, the words say more to me and are probably funnier, and it wasn't so overtly retro.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 1 March 2003 19:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dookie and thats it

― Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Saturday, 1 March 2003 19:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Warning is a surprisingly good album, not much like their other albums. Dookie, Kerplunk and the one that collected all the early albums/singles/etc. are classic. The other two are pretty boring.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 20 June 2003 19:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

Nimrod is terrific - nearly every song on taht record is totally great.

― MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Friday, 20 June 2003 19:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dookie alone is classic, I mean, that's the album got me into music.. the first two records were okay too, but I didn't pay much attention to anything afterwards. I can still pull Dookie out and enjoy it like I'm 12 years old again, while most pop punk bothers the hell out of me. I can't say that about a lot of the other records I listened to in junior high, so they're something special.

― Bobby D Gray (bedhead), Saturday, 21 June 2003 01:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

I cannot believe what I'm hearing. Maior total fucking dud in every way possible. Without merit.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 21 June 2003 01:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think I can still say I love 'dookie', but the production on it is beginning to wear on me. hearing everything sound so compressed (?) relative to what I've listened to since I was a teenager infects my memories of the potency of the record. but usually I only put it on when I'm really in the mood to hear it anyway, so maybe I can withstand the encroaching loss.

― Josh (Josh), Saturday, 21 June 2003 02:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

classic!!

― trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 21 June 2003 07:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dookie & Kerplunk = classic to the max ... esp dookie

that acoustic song they played later on = dud dud dud

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Saturday, 21 June 2003 12:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

pretty classic I'd say, except for "Time of Your Life" which is just inestimably stupid - chorus might as well be in Sumerian for all the sense it makes

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 21 June 2003 12:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

few of the later songs make much sense (fave incoherent one is "Macy's Day Parade"), but I'll give Billie Joe the credit that he uses the music in a way that at least gives his "poetry" a specific emotional context.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 June 2003 16:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

I call this the REM Effect.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 June 2003 16:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

9 years pass...

"Billie Joe is seeking treatment for substance abuse. We would like everyone to know that our set was not cut short by Clear Channel and to apologize to those we offended at the iHeartRadio Festival in Las Vegas. We regretfully must postpone some of our upcoming promotional appearances."

You know, I feel for the guy, if he's seeking help for a problem. But what a brazen kiss-up apology to the group's commercial cash cow enablers.

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 September 2012 00:07 (7 months ago) Permalink

Like how this thread jumps straight from the 'hey remember them' years to the 'corporate rock burnout!' current moment. American Wha?

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 September 2012 00:08 (7 months ago) Permalink

Now wait one minute. I said, ONE MINUTES.

― pplains, Monday, 24 September 2012 00:22 (7 months ago) Permalink

remember, billy was a meth-head from the early days up til insomniac, which is a straight speed album. wonder if it's coke now

― spazzmatazz, Monday, 24 September 2012 01:41 (7 months ago) Permalink

it figured that when that Clear Channel megafestival put a hundred big name stars onstage for 20 minutes or whatever at a time that someone would blow a gasket that they weren't treated like a headliner for once in their career. it's just really funny that it was Green Day.

― some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 02:13 (7 months ago) Permalink

^^and on top of that, they'd been schilling something serious for it. Been hearing tons of radio promos "starring" members of Green Day talking up the show like it was the second coming of Monterey or The US Festival.

― 50 Shades of Greil (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 24 September 2012 03:05 (7 months ago) Permalink

there's something about when Dirnt realizes what Billie is doing and takes off his bass and starts slamming it to the ground (~1:36) that is so sweet and sort of sad in a solidarity-meets-puppy dog following its master kind of way. dirnt is like tuning or something and then all of a sudden it's like he goes "oh we are doing this now!"

(note: I don't hate this band and think dirnt is cool and an underrated contributor to its sound, don't mean to be slagging him too much)

― alpine static, Monday, 24 September 2012 03:40 (7 months ago) Permalink

no you observation is totally otm

― some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 03:58 (7 months ago) Permalink

i thought so too, just didn't want to come off as too harsh on a dude i've always liked.

― alpine static, Monday, 24 September 2012 04:08 (7 months ago) Permalink

Dirnt is a cool cat.

― Nickelback of folk (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 24 September 2012 04:12 (7 months ago) Permalink

those poor kids having to watch this while waiting for Usher to come on :-(

― Jamie_ATP, Monday, 24 September 2012 08:53 (7 months ago) Permalink

On the cynical scale, how cynical is it to note that these meltdowns and rehab stints so often come right when the band as a new album to promote?

Green Day rhythm section totally great, no prob with those forced-to-wear-eyeliner-and-get-goofy-haircuts dudes. I wonder if they hang with the guys from No Doubt and commiserate? Dirnt, by the way, only 40, which is impressive, given how long the group has been around and how much he gets pegged the old guy. Billie Joe's only 40, too, and Tre Cool is 39. Dave Grohl, for comparison, is 43. Who are going to be the 50 and 60 year old legacy acts touring arenas in 20 years when Springsteen and Prince and the like are retired? Will it be bands like Green Day and Foo Fighters and I guess Nickelback or something? Will there be 50-something stock brokers pulling strings to get primo Green Day seats at the hockey arena in 2030?

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 September 2012 11:53 (7 months ago) Permalink

I've watched this clip several times now, it's kind of mesmerizing. Although, I gotta say, he really doesn't seem like he's on anything. Just pissed off.

― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 11:56 (7 months ago) Permalink

The line about being around since 1988 is a bit sad though. Could have done without that.

― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 11:57 (7 months ago) Permalink

It sounds lame, because it's the 80s, but that was 25 years ago, which is amazing. That punk Usher's only been around for, like, 18.

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:06 (7 months ago) Permalink

On the other hand, it does prove he's pumped out more subsequent hard jams than Mary Margaret O'Hara

― 'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Monday, 24 September 2012 12:10 (7 months ago) Permalink

you can tell he's punk because he's self-righteous and swears a lot

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 24 September 2012 12:16 (7 months ago) Permalink

otm about how there's a real sweetness to that - guy's trying to save face for his bud in front of a lot of people, thinking on his feet to minimize any fallout from what just went down - really human half-second there

― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 24 September 2012 12:16 (7 months ago) Permalink

"About to make Fender real happy they signed me to Squier..."

― how's life, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:21 (7 months ago) Permalink

you can tell he's punk because he's self-righteous and swears a lot

Easily their most punk performance :)

― MikoMcha, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:22 (7 months ago) Permalink

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, September 24, 2012 7:53 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think the touring business is going to totally different then, straight up. after Springsteen and U2 stop touring, probably no rock act will ever tour at that level again.

― some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:25 (7 months ago) Permalink

Sorry to hijack the discussion, but has anyone heard the new album? Is it any good?

― Raymond Cummings, Monday, 24 September 2012 12:31 (7 months ago) Permalink

yeah it's dece. closer to dookie than 21st century crapblow

― spazzmatazz, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:55 (7 months ago) Permalink

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― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 15:52 (7 months ago) Permalink

These guys used to write songs about doing speed so they must be constantly on it. I don't know, dude obviously has problems and I have no doubt he's indulged in the past. On the other hand, he's held himself together pretty well until this point.

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 15:56 (7 months ago) Permalink

I don't want to be that guy really, but backstage after a Green Day show was one of the most chill, hey-howya-doin' scenes I've ever been to.

― pplains, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 15:58 (7 months ago) Permalink

Maybe they smoke up all the meth BEFORE the show.

― pplains, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 15:59 (7 months ago) Permalink

just watched the video, honestly it was pretty hilarious and maybe like 40% righteous

he did seem to be slurring his words to me tho, for whatever that's worth

― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 15:59 (7 months ago) Permalink

Oh certainly! The "outburst" didn't even seem that fucking bad!

― how's life, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 16:07 (7 months ago) Permalink

he did seem to be slurring his words to me tho, for whatever that's worth

Hm. Could just be his English accent tho?

― MikoMcha, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 16:13 (7 months ago) Permalink

Love his face after 'Look at that fucking sign right there. One. Minute.'

― MikoMcha, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 16:17 (7 months ago) Permalink

And then the sign says "one minutes". Loved that.

― how's life, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 16:27 (7 months ago) Permalink

Hm. Could just be his English accent tho?

And then the sign says "one minutes". Loved that.

In England, they add an "s" to "minute," like "maths."

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 17:04 (7 months ago) Permalink

his english accent??

― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 17:04 (7 months ago) Permalink

it was a joke on the fact that he sings with a fake accent

― some dude, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 17:06 (7 months ago) Permalink

― instafapper (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 17:07 (7 months ago) Permalink

At about 1:00, he lapses into British accent with "fuckin' jow-kin'"

― how's life, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 17:09 (7 months ago) Permalink

I mean, it's Green Day British, I don't want to offend any of our boardmates.

― how's life, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 17:11 (7 months ago) Permalink

did anyone else get a pro-wrestling vibe from that video? felt like the camera would cut away to vince mcmahon fuming backstage.

― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 17:23 (7 months ago) Permalink

"Warner Brothers Records and its subsidiaries are not responsible for the behavior and opinions of its musicians. Green Day and its management offers its apology and has announced that lead vocalist Billie Joe Armstrong has been sent to a rehabilitation center for being a BAD ASS."

― pplains, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 17:48 (7 months ago) Permalink

lol philip

― some dude, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 18:07 (7 months ago) Permalink

smashing guitar on stage is banal.
he should have been getting down there and smash the sign itself!

― nostormo, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 18:22 (7 months ago) Permalink

I work for F3nd3r and that Dirnt bass was just sent to him and was a prototype :)

― Nickelback of folk (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 18:50 (7 months ago) Permalink

XD Oh man, so has the office been all up in arms?

― how's life, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 18:52 (7 months ago) Permalink

Nah, it's pretty badass to everyone! We are hoping we can get that back for posterity.

― Nickelback of folk (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 18:58 (7 months ago) Permalink

You should have the team build a breakaway guitar so that people on a budget can have the satisfaction of smashing them but are able to reassemble them later.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 19:06 (7 months ago) Permalink

seeing as you mentioned that... I've not seen a guitar smashed irl for a while, do the necks always break away this cleanly...?

― Did communist FB take down the awesome bacon quran picture? (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 19:18 (7 months ago) Permalink

gibsons do

― how's life, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 19:24 (7 months ago) Permalink

which guitars actually smash instead of just the neck breaking off? does the wood have to be hickory?

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 19:29 (7 months ago) Permalink

it's weird how Billie Joe seems to have not only totally avoided the common advanced-aging ravages of prolonged meth use, he actually looks like he has not aged at all

― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 19:31 (7 months ago) Permalink

it's called make up

― nostormo, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 19:34 (7 months ago) Permalink

question from a uk'r who knows nothing re the people behind this corp shyte :

was this broadcast live, or, edited and pre airing edit meant the good'old folks missed this rant ?

if live, then fair play, it's a blast of 'tude that is rarely seen these days, and almost makes me want to discover an album by this lot, if however, this was recorded, then f*ck what's the point.

and i'm sorry, but the story re substance abuse came out way to quickly

- seems like a cover your ass story as opposed to just admitting that the band were seriously f*cked off with being messed about.

i mean in pr terms what's the best hit : mid life hissy fit vs drugs related outburst

― mark e, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 19:36 (7 months ago) Permalink

which guitars actually smash instead of just the neck breaking off?

Rickenbackers.

― 5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 19:37 (7 months ago) Permalink

mid life hissy fit

new album title iirc

― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 19:39 (7 months ago) Permalink

Do you have the time
While you have nice white wine

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 19:48 (7 months ago) Permalink

Wait hold on

http://www.greendayauthority.com/news/3608/

The Green Day Angry Birds game on Facebook has been updated with new levels and another new song preview.

...Angry Birds game.

As I've been muttering elsewhere, hope you get to fling a guylinered bird screaming about doing this since 1988.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:15 (7 months ago) Permalink

Punk as fuck.

― comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:16 (7 months ago) Permalink

mark the iheartradio festival wasn't televised, the youtube is from a webcast

amuses me that the album they just put out as this news broke has billie joe's face on the cover with the eyes x'd out

― the definition of fuckshit bird (some dude), Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:27 (7 months ago) Permalink

oh wow man

― pplains, Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:28 (7 months ago) Permalink

also a week or two before all this they cancelled a show for undisclosed billie joe 'medical' reasons so it's not totally out of the blue (xpost)

― the definition of fuckshit bird (some dude), Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:28 (7 months ago) Permalink

― die face down in some dude's pool (how's life), Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:30 (7 months ago) Permalink

have to respect cartoon caricatures that accurately depict the bags under each band member's eyes

― the definition of fuckshit bird (some dude), Thursday, 27 September 2012 14:33 (7 months ago) Permalink

omg I *must* play green day angry birds!

― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 27 September 2012 15:50 (7 months ago) Permalink

― spazzmatazz, Thursday, 27 September 2012 22:08 (7 months ago) Permalink

As I've been muttering elsewhere, hope you get to fling a guylinered bird screaming about doing this since 1988.

I read this wrong and thought, "so behind the times, never played Anrgy Birds and I don't even know who guy line red bird is."

― The Most Typical and Popular Girl Rider (Crabbits), Friday, 28 September 2012 00:26 (7 months ago) Permalink

new album is "how many times are they going to write the same songs with newish vocal melodies over and over again?"

― spazzmatazz, Friday, 28 September 2012 15:24 (7 months ago) Permalink

have to respect cartoon caricatures that accurately depict the bags under each band member's eyes

― the definition of fuckshit bird (some dude), Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:33 AM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol i hadn't even heard the "count the circles around my eyes" line on the album when i posted this.

― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:12 (7 months ago) Permalink

Goddam, Paul Westerberg sang "Let's count the rings around my eyes" motherfuckin' 28 years ago.

Love these guys, but they have to learn how to steal better.

― pplains, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:16 (7 months ago) Permalink

yeah that's pretty blatant

― farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:24 (7 months ago) Permalink

Just rebels without a clue.

― pplains, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:03 (7 months ago) Permalink

lol i was wondering why that line felt familiar

― jaz a make wardance (some dude), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:17 (7 months ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

vague confessions
http://music-mix.ew.com/2013/03/01/green-day-billie-joe-armstrong-drug-interview-rolling-stone/?hpt=hp_t3

― how's life, Saturday, 2 March 2013 11:34 (2 months ago) Permalink

insomniac is a great record because he wrote it about/on methamphetamine

― you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Saturday, 2 March 2013 17:15 (2 months ago) Permalink

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