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Small Faces vs. Faces

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 20 January 2003 22:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

Not good enough

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 20 January 2003 22:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

No Pretty Things thread either?

Missy-lovin' rock crit types...pah!

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 20 January 2003 22:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

fabulous - barring the disco strings on "You Could Make Me Dance, Sing, or Anything". They're rather hopelessly obscure in the States, but when I discovered them I was knocked out - here was the model for the Replacements, the Stones w/out the smarmy pretention, everything was sloppy and in-the-groove at the same time. And as is mentioned on the versus thread, they had a bit of self-mocking melancholy to them that was appealing - I love that "On the Beach" song where he's singing about being a pale skinny loser whose gonna take his shirt off anyway. hah!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 January 2003 22:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

I love "You Could Make Me Dance, Sing or Anything".

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 20 January 2003 22:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

i live em both, the small and the regular sized incarnations

― g (graysonlane), Monday, 20 January 2003 22:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

of course i meant "love" there...

― g (graysonlane), Monday, 20 January 2003 22:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

they kinda fell out of history (actually i guess rod the mod pushed em)

also they are twenty bazillion times better than the replacements!!

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 January 2003 23:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

i think glam wrong-footed them, in terms of their canonic place in the uk: rod went het disco in a REALLY lame way and the others went low-key pub rock or something, and their actual fairly extensive queer-hooligan massive went off with bowie or some such

why were they NEVER cited as a (uk) punk precursor? if they were i don't recall it (dr c, do you?)

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 January 2003 23:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

Maybe I should check 'em out! btw, was Rod's het disco move really that lame? It seemed trashy in a good way to me. At least at first.

― Sean (Sean), Monday, 20 January 2003 23:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

i don't mean disco as in the trammps etc, i mean disco as in he endlessly went to awful "the bitch"-type niteries

has atlantic crossing aged well? to be honest i haven't listened to it for abt 20 years sean... maybe it's brilliant!!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 00:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

"as in he endlessly went to awful "the bitch"-type niteries "

zuh? What is the meaning of this definition of "disco"?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 00:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

haha it means the kinds of international-playboy club that joan collins goes to in the films "the bitch" and "the stud" (which wd have been called "discos" or more likely "discotheques" in the UK in the mid-70s as this word wz still very extremely exotic and posh and up-scale then)

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 00:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

well - glad that's all cleared up!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 00:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

mention of rod threw me into a linguistic timewarp

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 00:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

A Night on the Town's OK, it's got Rod's most queer-sympathetic song, "The Killing of Georgie, Pts. 1 & 2", plus his cover of "First Cut Is the Deepest". Not very hooligan-sympathetic, though.

The Faces weren't hopelessly obscure in the Seventies, they were arena rock huge! I think the albums didn't do as well as the Rod solo albums and people may have thought of them as his backup band, but everyone knew who they were and "Stay with Me" was a big hit. The Small Faces, on the other hand...it's just ridiculous how few people have heard of them over here. Perhaps people just regarded the Faces as Rod's touring band over here because they weren't aware of their illustrious past.

― Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 01:13 (10 years ago) Permalink

do you have a theory why from being SO big they just kinda vanished of the face of the culture then, arthur? (mine is guesswork pretty much)

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 01:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

why were they NEVER cited as a (uk) punk precursor? if they were i don't recall it (dr c, do you?)

all the guys in the sex pistols except john rotten were really into them, right?

anyway i like em, not as much as the small faces but @ least as much as humble pie.

― duane (24 hour troubleshooter), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 01:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

well i wouldn't recall that citation then, cz the other pistols — jones and cook — never opened their mouths!!

jones was such a rod stewart fan that he burgled stewart's house several times, which is where half the pistols equipment came from (other half: bowie/roxy music)

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 01:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

Why, Mark? I think Rod wanted it that way. He actually thought he was making better, classier records with Tom Dowd and the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section and people like that. Perhaps if he had toured with them instead of the anonymous LA studio musicians he usually picked things would have been different. I also think that for such a rowdy, rockin' group, they didn't really have that many rowdy, rockin' songs. There was a bit too much melancholy and that might disappoint your average classic rocker. I don't know--do they still play "Stay With Me" on classic rock radio? I should ask my nephews.

But I don't think the Faces really vanished over here. In the American 80s Indie World they seem pretty revered, and on the G 'n' R Sunset Strip scene they were up there with the Stones and the Dolls. And I'm sure the Black Crowes must have namedropped them from time to time.

― Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 01:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

Perhaps if he had toured with them instead of the anonymous LA studio musicians

them=faces

― Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 01:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

(o okay, t'isn't exactly "manly", but, from what i've heard by them (& them), 'disco' or no disco, rhm'n'bluez or beat pop, I've always preferred them Small, and Small only. fk the F!)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 05:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

In Jon Savage's "England's Dreaming" they get plenty of recognition as Brit punk predecessors, although to be fair, as someone above says, it's largely indirect, as I think the only people they actually influenced were Steve Jones & Paul Cook.

― bham, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 09:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

It was all downhill for Ron Wood after the (English) Birds.

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 10:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

9 years pass...

this live 1970 comp is so killer: http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=1183

― tylerw, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 16:01 (10 months ago) Permalink

Loving this. Kenney Jones on "Plynth" always slays.

― Choogle Image Search (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 17:06 (10 months ago) Permalink

yeah the rhythm section is rad.

― tylerw, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 17:18 (10 months ago) Permalink

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