― Jimmy Smith, Tuesday, 24 December 2002 16:44 (10 years ago) Permalink
i'm not sure about neu! playing on the early stuff - i'm thinking that they might've done some stuff on the first album, but i'm fairly sure the second is just ralf and florian. there is definitely guitar on kraftwerk 2, though, so maybe i've got that backwards. there are a couple of bootlegs floating around and one of them features the kraftwerk/neu lineup in rough fidelity (including a track from the pre-kraftwerk organisation lineup, which you can actually see on the "krautrock" video tape that's floating around).
― your null fame (yournullfame), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 16:59 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Jimmy Smith, Tuesday, 24 December 2002 17:10 (10 years ago) Permalink
(I have good sounding copies of these albums on CD that I bought in a store, not even knowing they were officially unavailable.)
― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 24 December 2002 17:29 (10 years ago) Permalink
the line up on the first one is ralf hutter, florian schnider, andreas hohmann, and klaus dinger (neu!)
obviously "Ralf and Florian" is just ralf and florian.
― JasonD (JasonD), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 17:35 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 24 December 2002 17:39 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Adam A. (Keiko), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 18:20 (10 years ago) Permalink
radioactivity is great, i didnt know people didnt like that one
― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 19:59 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 20:49 (10 years ago) Permalink
as for the early things, there's an awfull lot of flute on them which may sway you one way or another. all of these hippy bands just LOVED a flute. it's rampant on the first Kluster album too.
― phil turnbull (philT), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 21:05 (10 years ago) Permalink
not can, but tangerine dream's "electronic meditation" would probably be a fairish comparison, in the freer parts. "ruckzuck" is definitely great - it was actually used as the theme for a pop-science for kids program here in the US ("newton's apple") and has a bouncy little groove. if you like neu! and "electronic meditation," yes, you need to hear the first two kraftwerks.
― your null fame (yournullfame), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 22:15 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 22:40 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Damian (Damian), Wednesday, 25 December 2002 00:56 (10 years ago) Permalink
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― spectra, Wednesday, 25 December 2002 05:49 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Damian (Damian), Wednesday, 25 December 2002 09:58 (10 years ago) Permalink
Exactly. I'm glad someone else figured out how to say this (although I do like some floaty flute).
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 25 December 2002 14:29 (10 years ago) Permalink
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― bob snoom, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 15:12 (7 years ago) Permalink
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7813200.stm
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― Matt DC, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 10:56 (4 years ago) Permalink
The boy Schnieder done good but he has to hang up his boots sometime
― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:04 (4 years ago) Permalink
I've been disappointed by how accessible they've been over the past few years. Maybe this will restore a little mystery.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:05 (4 years ago) Permalink
But Florian was the weirdo mystery element in the group
― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:07 (4 years ago) Permalink
And now he's not even in it! It's like SUPER MYSTERIOUS!
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:16 (4 years ago) Permalink
This at the bottom of the BBC page...
Cones hotlineThe lasting legacy of John Major's much ridiculed plan
― snoball, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:36 (4 years ago) Permalink
what would Florian do?
Hopefully jam with Michael Rother and Jaki L., but probably not. :(
― 909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 20:02 (4 years ago) Permalink
Every time I play the opening minute or two of "Europe Endless" I'm kinda convinced there's no better start to a song -- an album, ANYTHING -- out there. It's such a perfectly realized and precise arrangement, and *then* the beats arrive.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 April 2009 18:32 (4 years ago) Permalink
co-sign!
Europa Endlos should be the anthem of the EU.
― Suggesteban Cambiasso (jim), Thursday, 30 April 2009 18:35 (4 years ago) Permalink
For me, that moment is the keyboard interlude the third time or so it's repeated. For one, I just love the sound of the saw wave and the little modulation accents Ralf plays. But on that iteration, Ralf knocks it up a register — and it just takes off. Easily my favorite Kraftwerk moment, period.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 30 April 2009 19:10 (4 years ago) Permalink
Folks have probably already seen this, but just in case:
http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3212&Itemid=26
Remasters of Autobahn, Radio-Activity, Trans Europe Express), The Man Machine, Computer World, Techno Pop, The Mix, and Tour De France. Available individually or as a box set, in which case they come in those horrible little "mini LP sleeve" packages people seem to like for some reason.
― More Butty In Your Pants (Telephone thing), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 05:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
On October 5 Kraftwerk will release 12345678: The Catalogue, a CD box set collecting eight of their classic studio albums. Newly remastered versions of the albums will also be available individually on CD, vinyl and download.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
- 8 x individual CDs presented in special slipcases featuring newly expanded artwork, including many previously unseen images all of which have been reproduced to the highest technical standards. - CD Box Set containing 8 x CDs in ‘mini-vinyl’ card wallet packaging, plus individual large format booklets. - 8 x individual heavyweight vinyl LPs with large format booklets. - Digital downloads.
- CD Box Set containing 8 x CDs in ‘mini-vinyl’ card wallet packaging, plus individual large format booklets.
- 8 x individual heavyweight vinyl LPs with large format booklets.
- Digital downloads.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
Any reason to buy these for those of us who own all the albums on CD already? Sounds like extra packaging but nothing in the way of new/unreleased music... not really into those types of reissues.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 13:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
Remastered sound?
― StanM, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 13:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
Oh my god, I'm listening to the original '83 version of "Tour de France" right now and am FLIPPING OUT
― claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
for the first time
The remastering will be the selling point for me. The CDs that we've been listening to for the last twenty years leave a lot to be desired.
― Vast Halo, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 19:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
will "Techno Pop" be mythical lost album or just "Electric Cafe" with original title?
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
wikipedia says it's just electric cafe with the original title
― elan, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
ralf and florian is nice, summery, kind of hawaiian
-- this explains why i like that lp so much!
― amateurist, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
Techno Pop was basically a failed album that had the best parts remixed into Electric Cafe. I doubt it will ever seen the light of day and I am not too upset about it. It would be neat to hear out of curiosity, but I doubt they have eight Tour de France style joints sitting in the can waiting to be heard.
That being said, I can only imagine what they have in their archives. I would love to hear the demos for songs that didn't make the cut for their studio albums. They will never be heard while Hutter is alive, but it will be interesting to see how his estate handles the music.
It will also be interesting to see who is credited on the box set. I wonder if Schneider will have his name removed like Bartos and Flur.
― your original display name is still visible (Display Name), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
.. and Conny Plank...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
1983 demo version of 'Techno Pop' is utterly different than album version, almost a 70's retrench with the Orchestron vocal choir playing the chord sequence, I like it better than the album version
& there were three new tunes on the 98 tour than remain unreleased, I can see why but I'd still love a studio version of the one that sounds like their take on Basic Channel
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
word! is that demo vers floating around somewhere reachable?the live versions I've heard of the "Techno Pop" stuff is pretty great ... hard-hitting, muscular stuff
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
To be fair, it's not a difficult pattern to work out with graph paper. The Neubauten one is taking a lot longer.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Friday, 8 February 2013 20:52 (3 months ago) Permalink
Collapsing New Jumpers
― Mark G, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:57 (3 months ago) Permalink
Disappointing lack of shouting at the mention of David Bowie tonight.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:44 (3 months ago) Permalink
cos I wasn't there
― Neil S, Saturday, 9 February 2013 09:42 (3 months ago) Permalink
I believe you're right. There was a couple doing a lot of ketamine next to me though. And, weirdly, the title track of TEE seemed much shorter last night with the whole album seeming to last about 25 minutes...
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 February 2013 09:50 (3 months ago) Permalink
good they're mixing up I suppose. Not sure ketamine would be my drug of choice for KRaftwerk, but there we go.
― Neil S, Saturday, 9 February 2013 10:16 (3 months ago) Permalink
He had ecstasy as well and he said that his work mate had failed to bring him an LSD infused fruit pastille as promised but they seemed to be having a very good time.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 February 2013 11:11 (3 months ago) Permalink
on thurs night i saw a 40s-ish guy in the toilets turn to someone else and say "i've nicked some of my mum's codeine, i'm flying, this is perfect," only to get a disgusted look and an "i don't know you mate" in return, lol.
― jabba hands, Saturday, 9 February 2013 11:36 (3 months ago) Permalink
A small amount of codeine sounds perfect. I had a tramadol that I'd been saving for Autobahn.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 February 2013 12:09 (3 months ago) Permalink
Recordings are beginning to filter out already, crazy.
― MaresNest, Saturday, 9 February 2013 12:51 (3 months ago) Permalink
I actually really liked the little solos they all did at the end of Music Non Stop, it's probably too much to hope for that they might ever go further down that route again.
John Harris's review in the Guardian came out with the old "are they really playing anything?" rockist nonsense, sigh...
― it's all fuck what sit says, we'll do our own thing (Matt #2), Saturday, 9 February 2013 14:07 (3 months ago) Permalink
Didn't he hear Ralf fucking up the chorus of Man Machine?
― MaresNest, Saturday, 9 February 2013 14:13 (3 months ago) Permalink
xpost Unfair on Harris, who loves them.
Also, I don't think it's unfair to ask - in passing - what they're actually doing. It's certainly not a rockist question. Am seeing the Mix on Weds, and saw them at RFH last time, and at RFH I spent a big chunk of the (brilliant) show wondering if they did anything on stage, aside from the occasional Ralf vocal. Doesn't make the show any less spectacular if they don't – and it's their presence (and the fact they obviously rerecord material for touring) that makes it a Kraftwerk show more than their actual participation.
― Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Saturday, 9 February 2013 14:35 (3 months ago) Permalink
OK maybe I was unfair, it's such a predictable thing to say though. Anyway from my vantage point at the front I could see there was plenty going on, although it's difficult to work out quite what they're specifically doing. They all have foot controllers that were getting heavy use, anyone know what they're for?
― it's all fuck what sit says, we'll do our own thing (Matt #2), Saturday, 9 February 2013 14:46 (3 months ago) Permalink
"Yes, considering how little happens on stage, there are passages that rather drag. Of course, it's not entirely clear if much is actually being played."
The statement does belie what I'm sure Harris knows, that the four-men-at-desks-engaged-in-ambiguous-activity is a deliberate subversion of the notion of "performance"
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 9 February 2013 15:18 (3 months ago) Permalink
They are definitely playing something, Ralf is playing his Vocoder. There was a lot of filtering and triggering going on, and Henning Schmidt looked like he might have a Kaoss pad in his podium. I didn't detect much playing of the important melodies and like Matt says, there was a lot of foot-pedal/expression pedal action going on throughout. The only question mark for me is what the video guy Falk Grieffenhagen might be up to.
― ジー・ニュー・マイ・ブラッディー・バレンタイン・リッコード・カインダー・ブローズ (MaresNest), Saturday, 9 February 2013 15:25 (3 months ago) Permalink
But he looks fucking fantastic doing it, like he could push a button any second and vaporize the audience.
― ジー・ニュー・マイ・ブラッディー・バレンタイン・リッコード・カインダー・ブローズ (MaresNest), Saturday, 9 February 2013 15:27 (3 months ago) Permalink
It doesn't really matter to me whether or not they're doing anything - as I say, their presence is the performance. But it's not an unreasonable question, and them pushing some buttons doesn't mean there's any actual outcome from the button pushing (a la Chemical Brothers).
― Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Saturday, 9 February 2013 16:55 (3 months ago) Permalink
I agree that it doesn't matter but judging on the three separate performances, they are controlling the sound in some senses like a sound engineer or DJ would. Also certain sections are clearly played live as there have been small mistakes each night.
― Doran, Saturday, 9 February 2013 17:09 (3 months ago) Permalink
Haven't watched it in a while, and it's possible the set-up is different now, but I'm pretty sure you can see some of the stuff they're playing (or not) from certain angles on the minimum-Maximum DVD.
― Position Position, Saturday, 9 February 2013 17:18 (3 months ago) Permalink
Compared to the first time I saw them, they look a lot more like they are playing something. Saw them in Brixton in 2004 and I think they were using laptops at the time (i thought they could have been IMing each other). At least this time round it seemed like they are playing synths or keyboards.
― Moon Fuxx (Jill), Saturday, 9 February 2013 19:53 (3 months ago) Permalink
Chris & Cosey, Jim from Earl Brutus and Daniel Miller (I think) are here tonight.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 February 2013 22:03 (3 months ago) Permalink
say hello to jim from me mr doran ..
― mark e, Saturday, 9 February 2013 22:04 (3 months ago) Permalink
oh, and jim is from the pre new now .. f&ck the past ..
― mark e, Saturday, 9 February 2013 22:05 (3 months ago) Permalink
Ok. Fair point.
― Ima Pay Close Attention To Your Post (Doran), Saturday, 9 February 2013 22:22 (3 months ago) Permalink
Tell Jim he owes me money
― it's all fuck what sit says, we'll do our own thing (Matt #2), Saturday, 9 February 2013 22:42 (3 months ago) Permalink
Actually don't bother
when I saw them i got a decent look and can say that at least on Tour de France they do play the synth line live
― frogbs, Saturday, 9 February 2013 23:42 (3 months ago) Permalink
I am going to The Mix. It was my first choice. I don't know anyone else for whom it is their favourite Kraftwerk album. Does that make me a bad person?
― Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Sunday, 10 February 2013 18:20 (3 months ago) Permalink
it does. you are a bad person!
― Z S, Sunday, 10 February 2013 18:43 (3 months ago) Permalink
also, you're not a true fan!
I was tempted to do 'the mix', because it had a range of tracks, I did not know they did other tracks too. Blame Sparks...
― Mark G, Sunday, 10 February 2013 22:57 (3 months ago) Permalink
Going again tonight, Woo Hoo!
― ジー・ニュー・マイ・ブラッディー・バレンタイン・リッコード・カインダー・ブローズ (MaresNest), Monday, 11 February 2013 14:01 (3 months ago) Permalink
Two stage invasions!
― ジー・ニュー・マイ・ブラッディー・バレンタイン・リッコード・カインダー・ブローズ (MaresNest), Monday, 11 February 2013 23:31 (3 months ago) Permalink
Stage invasions at a Kraftwerk gig!?
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Monday, 11 February 2013 23:42 (3 months ago) Permalink
Yea, right at the end, first the guy who was next to me all night, then a girl. Poor Fritz Hilpert was doing his solo spot and they totally bogarted his shit
― ジー・ニュー・マイ・ブラッディー・バレンタイン・リッコード・カインダー・ブローズ (MaresNest), Monday, 11 February 2013 23:45 (3 months ago) Permalink
Maybe they just wanted a look at his rig.
― Zon vs Aviary (Matt #2), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 00:35 (3 months ago) Permalink
In those neoprene spiderman costumes you can see his 'rig' from the sound desk
― ジー・ニュー・マイ・ブラッディー・バレンタイン・リッコード・カインダー・ブローズ (MaresNest), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 09:42 (3 months ago) Permalink
Loved the stage invasion. The humans malfunctioned.
I was stood a few rows behind the Pet Shop Boys and, less excitingly, Mick Hucknall.
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 12:30 (3 months ago) Permalink
Tom Ellard dissents
http://tomellard.com/wp/2013/02/vivid-and-kraftwerk-deserve-each-other/
― eris bueller (lukas), Thursday, 21 February 2013 23:05 (3 months ago) Permalink
I'm surprised there hasn't been more dissent. Only one original member, miming, haven't really released anything new in 25 odd years. I wonder how they get away with it really.
― everything, Friday, 22 February 2013 10:19 (2 months ago) Permalink
I saw Kraftwerk play live in 1981.
Not everyone was around in 1981, gramps.
In 2003 I was asked if we would like to play a support spot for Kraftwerk’s return to Australia. That was great! I’d been working on some new videos and a set and it would be a perfect match, little and big. I said yes. Word came back from Germany – Nein – no videos allowed. That was a bit rough for a video band. The promoter tried a compromise. What if we used our own projector? Nein – no light touching the screens. And no instruments allowed. You will only play a tape. And you must be a specified number of metres away from the main stage.
Yes, I can't believe the headliners didn't cave into the demands of the support act. Fascist bastards.
As the set rolled along it was horrible to realise that they hadn’t advanced in over a decade. The symbol of musical progress, of futurism, were lazily stuck in the past.
Never heard of any group whose main success were in the years from 1974 to 1981 trading in on past glorious over twenty years ago.
Vivid itself being less about a festival of ideas and more about a source of tourist income every year.
To be fair, they're still trying to get over the year when the NSW tourism ministry was accused of wasting money on bring an some unknown bloke called Brian Eno to Vivid.
One look at the pictures and it seems that they might have got a few new Tron suits to wear. Whoever ‘they’ might be these days.
Well, that's why they wear the Tron suits!!
― B.A. "Bad Attitude" Santamaria (King Boy Pato), Friday, 22 February 2013 10:32 (2 months ago) Permalink
^^ reading that back, I'm being a bit harsh as I do have respect for Tom Ellard but come on, bashing Kraftwerk for being old farts is not exactly earth shattering opinions 4 u
― B.A. "Bad Attitude" Santamaria (King Boy Pato), Friday, 22 February 2013 10:36 (2 months ago) Permalink
FoI request shows that no tickets at all were sold online for the London run:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/142165/response/351230/attach/2/tate%20response.pdf
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 13:00 (2 months ago) Permalink
Anyone who went to multiple shows in London or New York - is there much difference in the post-album set from night to night? If we managed to score in the ballot for two of the Sydney Opera House shows, is it worth going to both?
(nb: the albums are Techno Pop and Tour De France, or this question would be moot)
― ( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 02:51 (2 months ago) Permalink
Not much variation ime. I managed to get to 1,2 & 5. Obviously the latter half is dictated by how many hits are included in the album that precedes it, Autobahn and Radioactivity only have one big song each, so the rest of the sets were fairly similar. For the Computer World night they also played all of Man Machine in sequence which was great. I think Neon Lights and Vitamin were the only tracks sequenced in and out of the second half. if it were me, I'd do 2 & 5.
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 09:24 (2 months ago) Permalink
For the Computer World night they also played all of Man Machine in sequence which was great.
oh damn
if it were me, I'd do 2 & 5.
loooool, re-read my post - it seems the first four were all allocated to ppl who live in other countries or states, not locals, so
― ( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 11:47 (2 months ago) Permalink
Ha, I did read the caveat, that didn't stop me from being redundant tho' :)
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 14:12 (2 months ago) Permalink
this new Karl Bartos thing is pretty entertaining
― frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:21 (1 month ago) Permalink
Kraftwerk vs. the Chinese government
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/mar/29/kraftwerk-denied-festival-appearance-in-china
― geeta, Friday, 29 March 2013 22:15 (1 month ago) Permalink