Being the gigantic tool that I am, I bought Neu! 1 the other day, and I can't stop listening to it. I'm very surprised at how well-produced it is; it sounds like it could have been recorded a matter of weeks ago, and that's not hyperbole (as far as I can tell!).
So, is their legendary status deserved? Which Neu! album is your favorite and why? By the way, feel free to branch off and discuss Neu!-influenced bands; is the influence that apparent, or is it just force of habit to say, for example, "Stereolab's Neu!-inspired soundscapes" or something like that?
― Clarke B., Thursday, 31 May 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Influences? Stereolab at times very obvious (but hey give it a nice spin). Other than that? D.A.F. probably. And then through them and Liaisons Dangereus you could trace an influence to Detroit Techno. But I don't think those guys were directly influenced by NEU!
The Fall maybe?
― Omar, Thursday, 31 May 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
But what *will* be interesting, will be to see if their cult status is re-appraised in the light of the increased availability of their material. I'm not saying the *only* reason they've reached the status they have is cause the records are so damned hard to find. (clearly that's rubbish) But it will be interesting to see how people react.
― masonic boom, Thursday, 31 May 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
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― tarden, Thursday, 31 May 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
As for Neu themselves, almost disgustingly classic, if you will. I remember a friend saying in 1993 or so, "You like Stereolab? You need to hear these guys." Things made a lot more sense after I did.
Speaking of Stereolab, friend ML saw them at an early show and pegged the heavy-duty Neu influence, and asked them about it after the show. Apparently they weren't just surprised that someone had twigged it, they hastily broke off talking with him and went away as if somebody had just released an atomic bomb. About six months later they started admitting it in interviews.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 31 May 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Sean Carruthers, Thursday, 31 May 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
And you know what? They're not. At least, I've never heard it.
― mark s, Thursday, 31 May 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
http://www.astralwerks.com/neu/quotes.html
Bowie himself says at most the influence on his music was 'tenuous,' but clearly he loved it, and says he wanted Rother to play on _Low_.
― Simon, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Speaking of Cluster, is it pretty impossible to track their stuff down, like it was with pre-reissue Neu! stuff? I will (can) not spend 40 dollars on a piece of (possibly scratched-up) vinyl, either... :-)
― Clarke B., Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Nick, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
As for the Cluster material, most of that material has been reissued through All Saints(if I am not mistaken.) Most everything by the good german prog bands was reissued/bootlegged in the 90's. You might have to hunt, or pay higher prices, but it is out there.
― Michael Taylor, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― scott, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
From now: Ner
― mark s, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Clarke B., Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Josh, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― keith, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
I guess "Hallogallo" is the "Stereolab" one. No denying the close similarity, particularly the stabbing wah-chords which Tim Gane seems very fond of.
― Dr.C, Tuesday, 12 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
And Dr.C nails it, 'Hallo Gallo' is the only real Stereolab track, every time I expect Laetitia to start singing: "We're bored/with the dialectic/of the masses/and space/bah-bab-bah-bab.
― Omar, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
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― Lindsey B, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
(Did I say this up-thread? D.Bowie said "Neu! Neu! Neu!" abt ten trillion times in 1978-9 but he never sounded like em once.)
― mark s, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
You may be evil but your theory of influence is better than many (ie quite like mine haha). Biggest influence on [x] = ppl they HATE and exactly DON'T want to sound like.
― conny lingus, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Andrew L, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 18:47 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 28 August 2002 20:05 (10 years ago) Permalink
Is it worth checking out the live recordings? I've heard the sound quality is very poor, and theyre usually around £20-£25.
― dmun, Thursday, 24 March 2005 11:09 (8 years ago) Permalink
You hear their influences everywhere. Hell, Wilco's "Spider" features a classic driving Neu! beat.
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 24 March 2005 12:19 (8 years ago) Permalink
http://mitglied.lycos.de/neuschnee/Neu4.htmhttp://mitglied.lycos.de/neuschnee/Neu72.htm
The best tapes are the Kraftwerk live boots with the Schneider / Dinger / Rother lineup, right before D&R spun off to form Neu! An appearence on the TV show 'Beatclub' called 'Rückstoss Gondolero' and the live in Cologne tape, June 12th 1971. They were all collected on a vinyl bootleg called 'Ruckzuck' last year. The Cologne tape is ultra-low-fidelity but the music is incredible.
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― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 03:19 (8 years ago) Permalink
dud
is it bad that all non-faust/can krautrock i listen to is for the express purpose of hypnotic background noise for reading? i find neu more droney than most drone out there
― fennel cartwright, Thursday, 22 September 2011 00:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
"Fur Immer" is one of the greatest songs ever, tho it is v drone-y!
― don't quixote me on that (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 22 September 2011 01:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not all hypnotic background noise, in case anyone forgot:
― dan selzer, Thursday, 22 September 2011 01:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like la dusseldorf better
― mizzell, Thursday, 22 September 2011 01:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
I can't believe I started this thread over a decade ago... Hypnotic background noise?! What about "Negativland"? Almost everything on Neu! 2? Yeah, Dan, "Hero"!!! They're immortally classic. I was visting one of my better restaurant customers yesterday, showing them a few new wines, and "Hallogallo" suddenly started burbling from the speakers... I freaked out mildly, stopping mid-sentence, being all "this is NEU!? you guys are playing NEU!"... The several-years-younger OWNER and his assistant were like, "yeah I guess... this is the internet radio we play sometimes" or something. It's so funny to think back about how giddy I was that this stuff I had only read about would finally be available, saving up some bucks (and probably selling some CDs) to get the Astralworks reissues, and just listening to them again and again. Now we can just cue it up on Spotify, cross our arms, and pass our judgments in a flash! [/grumpy old early-30s man]
― Clarke B., Thursday, 22 September 2011 01:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
Was drinking in this bar last night!
― Franz Kappa (S-), Thursday, 22 September 2011 13:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pretty good interview with Michael Rother in the new Wax Poetics, of all places. Summary: Couldn't really handle being friends with Klaus because he was crazy, but we really connected over the music and I'm super proud of that.
― andrew m., Thursday, 22 September 2011 15:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
I don't ever remember any mention of Neu! in early Jesus & Mary Chain pieces (there was a lot of talk from journalists about the Velvets, Stooges, Suicide, Ramones etc), but Neu 2 is all over some of their early stuff. I guess the journalists just hadn't heard the records in '84, '85?
― bham, Friday, 23 September 2011 09:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
They were 'relating' them to the VU, at which point they decided "job done".
It wasn't until the J&MC covered "Mushroom" that the possibility of "other influences" were considered.
― Mark G, Friday, 23 September 2011 09:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
Probably more likely that journalists had heard Neu! than JAMC, it's possible JAMC had but they were 110% Velvets anyway
― Juice Should Be Sterliized (Tom D.), Monday, 26 September 2011 10:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
Anyway, I don't hear the influence!
― Juice Should Be Sterliized (Tom D.), Monday, 26 September 2011 10:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
When was Ciccone Youth? That was one of the first time I heard of Neu! being namechecked... in the 80s that is. And then Stereolab came along and it was obvious they'd been "rediscovered" big time.
― Juice Should Be Sterliized (Tom D.), Monday, 26 September 2011 10:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well, I saw SonicYouth supporting the J&MC at the Hammersmith Palais back when, and Ciccone Youth was after that.
― Mark G, Monday, 26 September 2011 10:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
Obviously JAMC had turned them on to Neu! when they were all hanging around in the dressing room after the gig
― Juice Should Be Sterliized (Tom D.), Monday, 26 September 2011 10:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Definitely a Neu! influence on Bobby Gillespie as you can hear if you listen to his motorik bongo beats from that one show he played sitting in with Damo Suzuki and Captain Beefheart.
― master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Monday, 26 September 2011 10:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also he says this:
"Neu! is, in my opinion, one of the more towering musical achievements in recent history, and we are all living in the individual shadows of these two men. Speed and stillness, simplicity and cacophony, gentleness and aggression, mania and focus, are all juxtapositions that have been given a voice, and have learned to coexist under the equally as contradictory guidance of Michael and Klaus."
― master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Monday, 26 September 2011 10:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
Nah, I'm sure they were all trying to get tales out of Jayne Casey... (xpost, Pink Military were 2nd support)
― Mark G, Monday, 26 September 2011 10:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
Spitzenqualität could be a mid-80s JAMC b-side
― bham, Monday, 26 September 2011 10:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
"See that fuckin' Neu!, fuckin' ripped me aff so they did. They came tae see the fuckin' Mary Chain, ah think it wis at Janie's in Gourock... aye the Boey Hairdressers wur supportin' us, pile o' shite they wur till ah fuckin' lent Norman some Big Star records and said, "Here ye go, son, rip that moab aff and ye'll be laughin'"... anywey, where wis ah? Oh aye, there ah um fuckin' knockin' back the shandies wi' Stephen Pastel and that fuckin' Klaus Dinger cunt comes up tae me 'n is aw like "Oh, herr Bobby, you are the best drummer I hef ever seen, Mo Tucker voz right about you!" and ah'm like, "Aye aye, pal, heard it. Who let this pair o' losers in?". And the other yin, he wis oo'er at fuckin' Wullie Reid bendin' his fuckin' earhole aboot fuckin' guitar strings or sumthin'. Next thing ye know, the cunts huv pit oot their fuckin' first album 'n it's goat the fuckin' Mary Chain aw oo'er it!"
― Juice Should Be Sterliized (Tom D.), Monday, 26 September 2011 10:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
^ much more believable than his actual quote, when will these so-called newspapers print the truth?
― master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Monday, 26 September 2011 10:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
I know that Klaus was really the "genius" of the group but I feel like Michael should have had the final word on what was actually released
― frogbs, Monday, 26 September 2011 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
i have read this thread several times over the years, but never dived in until today.just found neu! and neu!2 in fopp in the £2 exchange bins in very good condition.listened to neu! and starting neu!2 now.i already know that these going to be top of the playlist for a very long time to come.very chuffed.
― mark e, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 13:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
Neu 75 even better!
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 13:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
as of today, i will be tracking that one down
― mark e, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 13:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
― ███★★★███ (PappaWheelie V), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 13:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
Is there anything else like side 2 of Neu '75? Proto-punk classic.
― The Sunspots In Your Eyes Are Actually Cataracts, Mr. Rudich (AWALL), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 16:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not by Neu! La Dusseldorf carries on equally awesome but never as raw.
If you're John Lydon you'd say "Nadir's Big Chance" by Pater Hammill.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
Thanks Dan, I'll check them both out.
― The Sunspots In Your Eyes Are Actually Cataracts, Mr. Rudich (AWALL), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 17:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
I totally love the La Dusseldorf albums, but I admit I once played them through my Arp 2600's preamp so I could distort it a little bit!
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
"Opa-Loka" by Hawkwind has a nice punk-kraut vibe.
― Trip Maker, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
where have this band been all my life.
just picked up neu! 75 from hmv in bristol as the counter guy said : 'excellent album - now go get la dusseldorf album'
i genuinely feel as if i have struck audio gold as this stuff ticks so many of my boxes.
oh, and for an update on this type of groove, i reckon steve webster from the band fort lauderdale in his higamos hogamos guise gets pretty close to the source :
― mark e, Thursday, 13 October 2011 12:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
must give a shout out for michael rother's "sterntaler" & "flammende herzen" beautiful plangent gtr / xylophone / synth melodies with jaki l on the tic-toc rhythms. thankfully picked em up at the local for 1.50€ a pop whoop!
― iglu ferrignu, Thursday, 13 October 2011 12:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Rother is divisive round here- see the krautrock listening club thread from here onwards. I think Rother's stuff is great, personally, but I can understand why people like the edge Dinger brought to things with Neu!
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 13 October 2011 12:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
right on, if you enjoyed Neu! a lot, the first two La Dusseldorf albums are the way to go.
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 October 2011 13:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
suspect i wont be able to just nip into fopp and pick them up ..
― mark e, Thursday, 13 October 2011 13:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think the La Dusseldorf albums are fairly commonly available, Rother solo probably not. I got the former from eMusic not so long ago...
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Thursday, 13 October 2011 13:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don't sleep on Harmonia - far better than Rother solo.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Friday, 14 October 2011 05:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh yeah - those two albums are far better than anything I've heard from Rother solo.
― frogbs, Friday, 14 October 2011 13:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
how great is that first La Dusseldorf album? I feel like I really hadn't paid it enough attention until now. It's freakin' gorgeous.
― frogbs, Friday, 6 July 2012 16:02 (10 months ago) Permalink
i listen to the first 2 la dusseldorf records way more than neu!
― mizzell, Friday, 6 July 2012 16:08 (10 months ago) Permalink
side 1 inner label is a work of art!
― zappi, Friday, 6 July 2012 16:11 (10 months ago) Permalink
I listen to Neu! 75 way more than pretty much anything, but yeah those first two are really something. You could make a really nice Frankenstien's monster out of Neondian and Blue as well.
― frogbs, Friday, 6 July 2012 16:11 (10 months ago) Permalink
1st album on Decca!!!!!!! Is that a US copy? I've had two copies, one on Radar (UK) and one on Teldec (German).
― SomeTwat from Tring (Tom D.), Saturday, 7 July 2012 12:44 (10 months ago) Permalink
Radar copy looks like a reissue:
http://www.discogs.com/La-D%C3%BCsseldorf-La-D%C3%BCsseldorf/master/25062
― timellison, Saturday, 7 July 2012 13:42 (10 months ago) Permalink
Retagging track 2 of my mp3s with that Decca jpg
― Milton Parker, Saturday, 7 July 2012 20:34 (10 months ago) Permalink
(xp) Yeah, looks like it, I didn't know that album had been released in the UK before it was on Radar... and certainly not on Decca! My copy is on Teldec and is def. from 1976, not Nova as that discogs. page suggests.
― SomeTwat from Tring (Tom D.), Monday, 9 July 2012 10:48 (10 months ago) Permalink
― things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 14:18 (5 months ago) Permalink
My eyes!
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 21:01 (5 months ago) Permalink
Klaus Dinger or Kip Winger?
― flared bass (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:09 (5 months ago) Permalink