If the Beastie Boys' had released "Don't Be A Faggot"...

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I think most people will admit "Licensed To Ill" is a definite cultural milestone, whether or not they like it. But what if it had been released under its original title, "Don't Be A Faggot"?

Can we assume their career would have been a blip or less? Would MCA still have found Buddhism (and evidently emo?)? Would Grand Royal still eventually occur, with all the acts discovered through that? And how would that effect the growth of rap, rock, alternative, rap-rock, etc.?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 20:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

If they'd released it under that title, they'd have been swiftly written off (even given the insensitive tenor of the times) and we'd all be listening to Vanilla Ice's sprawling trip-hop concept double album today.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 20:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

I get yr drift, but just who was "discovered" by Grand Royal during their short, barely relevant life? With all due respect to Luscious Jackson and Scapegoat Wax (to be generous), most of the releases on GR were vanity alb's. Eg: Sean Lennon, Butter 08, Crunt, Russel Simins
I think that largely, rap would have happened exactly the same without the Beastie Boys. Their legacy has much more to do with rock and rock audiences. Yes, Paul's Boutique and Check Your Head are brilliant albs, but they both work in a rock context much more than hip hop, and not just cuz the Beasties are white.

― E-to-the-Izzay, Wednesday, 4 December 2002 20:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

this is off-topic but had they released Ill Communication as Don't Be A Faggot, would Kathleen Hanna be dating Ad Rock right now?

― Claire (Claire Miccio), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 21:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I stand by that Sean Lennon album as one of the only one's recorded by a famous musos child that actually sounds AWESOME, and contains interesting SONGS.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 21:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

and if it wasn't for the Beastie Boys he'd still be collaborating with Lenny Kravitz.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 4 December 2002 23:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Look, I know a lot of you are probably pretty politically correct, and for the most part I try to be as well, but c'mon, "Don't Be A Faggot" has got to be the 2nd funniest album title in the world. The first is "Songs For Titeye Dicknose" by Ray Gae & Skadorfis Skadorfis Skadorfis Skadorfis Skadorfis Skadorfis Skadorfis Skadorfis (feat. members of mid-90s Ska stars Orafice Skadorafice).

― Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Thursday, 5 December 2002 00:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, it's funny absurd more than funny haha. Curious what the proposed album art would have been.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 5 December 2002 00:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Was this seriously a contender for the album title? Sounds more like an urban legend, or maybe something they'd jokingly said but not meant.

And if they did use it a Beastie Boys/Andrew Dice Clay collaboration probably wouldn't have been too far off.

― original bgm, Thursday, 5 December 2002 01:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

They'd probably have to get rid of their lesbian drummer first-oh wait, they did! Haoui Montaug probably wouldn't have let them in Danceteria for free anymore.

The title always seemed kinda funny tired and funny super-lame to me. Also, as anti-PC gestures go, not really very funny at all. I mean, they're no Frogs, that's for sure.

― Arthur (Arthur), Thursday, 5 December 2002 01:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...

why do all white rappers have such squaky,whiny little voices?even when they're kind of on the thick side.....like kid rock?are there any exceptions?i can't think of any at the moment.why can't there be a white chuck d?i'm sorry, but sugar ray don't cut it.if jamiroquai can sing sort of like stevie wonder,than i think it's physically possible.

― boring out of context george, Saturday, 11 January 2003 00:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

why do all white rappers have such squaky,whiny little voices?

Get thee to a Copywrite album!

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 11 January 2003 00:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

3rd Base? Bubba Sparxx? Hell, even Adam Sherburne from Consolidated. (Ok, not really rap there) There are a buncha exceptions... imho... fine, not white chuck d's, but not whiney

― donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 11 January 2003 01:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

thanks....i wasn't tring to be rhettorical.....i really just wanted to know.....i'm waaaaaaay out of the loop so i've never heard any of these guys......but you have to admit...that there are more whiny ones,than profundo...beastie boys be damned....but then....maybe that's like blaming led zeppelin for donny dokken

― boring back in context george, Saturday, 11 January 2003 02:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

four years pass...

The Crunt album was on Trance Syndicate.

― Mike Dixn, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

And Butter 08 has its moments. Plus the digital hardcore stuff was fun, for like a day or two.

― Pye Poudre, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I think if Def Jam had released The White House album of remixed outtakes, it would've been received worse than Don't be a Faggot.

― PappaWheelie V, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link

at the drive-in was probably the most successful non-beasties grand royal album.

i fucking love The New Rock by Buffalo Daughter

― M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

"Don't Be a Faggot" captures the style of the album pretty well. Why would anything be different?

― Chris H., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

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