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Any Idea what Steve Albini is up to at the minute? Last thing I heard from him was the production on the McClusky album. Any new Shellac stuff coming out in the future?

BUFFY THE VAMPIRE, Monday, 25 November 2002 15:26 (13 years ago) Permalink

I think he's preparing an egg dish at the moment.

Sean (Sean), Monday, 25 November 2002 15:29 (13 years ago) Permalink

He IS an egg dish.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 25 November 2002 15:32 (13 years ago) Permalink

9:30 AM (or thereabouts) in Chicago; he's probably not even awake yet. Of course, you could just call Electrical Audio and find out (they're listed).

Yesterday I saw the back of the Rapeman Sub-Pop 7", and that reminds me of why I love Albini: flat-tops!

hstencil, Monday, 25 November 2002 15:36 (13 years ago) Permalink

bong hits and getting small indie bands to pay him lots of money so they can say "WE RECORDED WITH STEVE ALBINI"

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Monday, 25 November 2002 15:44 (13 years ago) Permalink

bong hits...

Hahahahaha, the guy hardly touches beer! And he gave up smoking cigarettes after the heart attack.

hstencil, Monday, 25 November 2002 15:45 (13 years ago) Permalink

he recorded Songs Ohia's next album

stevie (stevie), Monday, 25 November 2002 15:58 (13 years ago) Permalink

the new giddy motors "make it pop!" lp was engineered by him...

chances are, albini's engineering some record with loud and abrasive guitars and really well mic'ed drums.

msp, Monday, 25 November 2002 16:05 (13 years ago) Permalink

When did he have a heart attack?

J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Monday, 25 November 2002 16:14 (13 years ago) Permalink

On one of Rapeman's tours of Europe. If you had your own popcorn machine, your cholesterol would be off the charts, too.

hstencil, Monday, 25 November 2002 16:17 (13 years ago) Permalink

I heard he makes his own mayonaise, too.

Sean (Sean), Monday, 25 November 2002 16:21 (13 years ago) Permalink

homemade mayonaisse made me a believer...

seriously i was a mayo h8r until i discovered the goodness of home-made varieties.

i saw steve smoking after rapeman btw...

gygax!, Monday, 25 November 2002 16:36 (13 years ago) Permalink

i saw steve smoking after rapeman btw...

OMG, WHERE?!?!?!?!?!?

hstencil, Monday, 25 November 2002 16:43 (13 years ago) Permalink

shellac in SF - circa at action park

gygax!, Monday, 25 November 2002 16:46 (13 years ago) Permalink

out of his ass of course.

nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 25 November 2002 16:47 (13 years ago) Permalink

A local slagging-bands zine that comes out every two months has a regular "Dublin bands that fly to Chicago to record with Steve Albini" award.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 25 November 2002 17:01 (13 years ago) Permalink

Which reminds me of an article by Steve Albini. Dunno if you read it.

It is called the problem with music

the problem with music
by steve albini
excerpted from Baffler No. 5
Whenever I talk to a band who are about to sign with a major label, I always end up thinking of them in a particular context. I imagine a trench, about four feet wide and five feet deep, maybe sixty yards long, filled with runny, decaying shit. I imagine these people, some of them good friends, some of them barely acquaintances, at one end of this trench. I also imagine a faceless industry lackey at the other end, holding a fountain pen and a contract waiting to be signed.

Nobody can see what's printed on the contract. It's too far away, and besides, the shit stench is making everybody's eyes water. The lackey shouts to everybody that the first one to swim the trench gets to sign the contract. Everybody dives in the trench and they struggle furiously to get to the other end. Two people arrive simultaneously and begin wrestling furiously, clawing each other and dunking each other under the shit. Eventually, one of them capitulates, and there's only one contestant left. He reaches for the pen, but the Lackey says, "Actually, I think you need a little more development. Swim it again, please. Backstroke."

And he does, of course.

I. A&R Scouts

Every major label involved in the hunt for new bands now has on staff a high-profile point man, an "A&R" rep who can present a comfortable face to any prospective band. The initials stand for "Artist and Repertoire," because historically, the A&R staff would select artists to record music that they had also selected, out of an available pool of each. This is still the case, though not openly.

These guys are universally young [about the same age as the bands being wooed], and nowadays they always have some obvious underground rock credibility flag they can wave. Lyle Preslar, former guitarist for Minor Threat, is one of them. Terry Tolkin, former NY independent booking agent and assistant manager at Touch and Go is one of them. Al Smith, former soundman at CBGB is one of them. Mike Gitter, former editor of XXX fanzine and contributor to Rip, Kerrang and other lowbrow rags is one of them. Many of the annoying turds who used to staff college radio stations are in their ranks as well.

There are several reasons A&R scouts are always young. The explanation usually copped-to is that the scout will be "hip" to the current musical "scene." A more important reason is that the bands will intuitively trust someone they think is a peer, and who speaks fondly of the same formative rock and roll experiences.

The A&R person is the first person to make contact with the band, and as such is the first person to promise them the moon. Who better to promise them the moon than an idealistic young turk who expects to be calling the shots in a few years, and who has had no previous experience with a big record company. Hell, he's as naive as the band he's duping. When he tells them no one will interfere in their creative process, he probably even believes it.

When he sits down with the band for the first time, over a plate of angel hair pasta, he can tell them with all sincerity that when they sign with company X, they're really signing with him and he's on their side. Remember that great, gig I saw you at in '85? Didn't we have a blast.

By now all rock bands are wise enough to be suspicious of music industry scum. There is a pervasive caricature in popular culture of a portly, middle aged ex-hipster talking a mile-a-minute, using outdated jargon and calling everybody "baby." After meeting "their" A&R guy, the band will say to themselves and everyone else, "He's not like a record company guy at all! He's like one of us." And they will be right. That's one of the reasons he was hired.

These A&R guys are not allowed to write contracts. What they do is present the band with a letter of intent, or "deal memo," which loosely states some terms, and affirms that the band will sign with the label once a contract has been agreed on.

The spookiest thing about this harmless sounding little "memo," is that it is, for all legal purposes, a binding document. That is, once the band sign it, they are under obligation to conclude a deal with the label. If the label presents them with a contract that the band don't want to sign, all the label has to do is wait. There are a hundred other bands willing to sign the exact same contract, so the label is in a position of strength.

These letters never have any term of expiration, so the band remain bound by the deal memo until a contract is signed, no matter how long that takes. The band cannot sign to another label or even put out its own material unless they are released from their agreement, which never happens. Make no mistake about it: once a band has signed a letter of intent, they will either eventually sign a contract that suits the label or they will be destroyed.

One of my favorite bands was held hostage for the better part of two years by a slick young "He's not like a label guy at all,' A&R rep, on the basis of such a deal memo. He had failed to come through on any of his promises (something he did with similar effect to another well-known band), and so the band wanted out. Another label expressed interest, but when the A&R man was asked to release the band, he said he would need money or points, or possibly both, before he would consider it.

The new label was afraid the price would be too dear, and they said no thanks. On the cusp of making their signature album, an excellent band, humiliated, broke up from the stress and the many months of inactivity.

II. There's This Band

There's this band. They're pretty ordinary, but they're also pretty good, so they've attracted some attention. They're signed to a moderate-sized "independent" label owned by a distribution company, and they have another two albums owed to the label.

They're a little ambitious. They'd like to get signed by a major label so they can have some security—you know, get some good equipment, tour in a proper tour bus—nothing fancy, just a little reward for all the hard work.

To that end, they got a manager. He knows some of the label guys, and he can shop their next project to all the right people. He takes his cut, sure, but it's only 15%, and if he can get them signed then it's money well spent. Anyway, it doesn't cost them any thing if it doesn't work. 15% of nothing isn't much!

One day an A&R scout calls them, says he's "been following them for a while now," and when their manager mentioned them to him, it just "clicked." Would they like to meet with him about the possibility of working out a deal with his label? Wow. Big Break time.

They meet the guy, and y'know what—he's not what they expected from a label guy. He's young and dresses pretty much like the band does. He knows all their favorite bands. He's like one of them. He tells them he wants to go to bat for them, to try to get them everything they want. He says anything is possible with the right attitude. They conclude the evening by taking home a copy of a deal memo they wrote out and signed on the spot.

The A&R guy was full of great ideas, even talked about using a name producer. Butch Vig is out of the question—he wants 100 g's and three points, but they can get Don Fleming for $30,000 plus three points. Even that's a little steep, so maybe they'll go with that guy who used to be in David Letterman's band. He only wants three points. Or they can have just anybody record it [like Warton Tiers, maybe—cost you 5 or 10 grand] and have Andy Wallace remix it for 4 grand a track plus 2 points. It was a lot to think about.

Well, they like this guy and they trust him. Besides, they already signed the deal memo. He must have been serious about wanting them to sign. They break the news to their current label, and the label manager says he wants them to succeed, so they have his blessing. He will need to be compensated, of course, for the remaining albums left on their contract, but he'll work it out with the label himself. Sub Pop made millions from selling off Nirvana, and Twin Tone hasn't done bad either: 50 grand for the Babes and 60 grand for the Poster Children—without having to sell a single additional record. It'll be something modest. The new label doesn't mind, so long as it's recoupable out of royalties.

Well, they get the final contract, and it's not quite what they expected. They figure it's better to be safe than sorry and they turn it over to a lawyer—one who says he's experienced in entertainment law—and he hammers out a few bugs. They're still not sure about it, but the lawyer says he's seen a lot of contracts, and theirs is pretty good. They'll be getting a great royalty: 13% [less a 10% packaging deduction]. Wasn't it Buffalo Tom that were only getting 12% less 10? Whatever.

The old label only wants 50 grand, and no points. Hell, Sub Pop got 3 points when they let Nirvana go. They're signed for four years, with options on each year, for a total of over a million dollars! That's a lot of money in any man's English. The first year's advance alone is $250,000. Just think about it, a quarter-million, just for being in a rock band!

Their manager thinks it's a great deal, especially the large advance. Besides, he knows a publishing company that will take the band on if they get signed, and even give them an advance of 20 grand, so they'll be making that money too. The manager says publishing is pretty mysterious, and nobody really knows where all the money comes from, but the lawyer can look that contract over too. Hell, it's free money.

Their booking agent is excited about the band signing to a major. He says they can maybe average $1,000 or $2,000 a night from now on. That's enough to justify a five week tour, and with tour support, they can use a proper crew, buy some good equipment and even get a tour bus! Buses are pretty expensive, but if you figure in the price of a hotel room for everybody in the band and crew, they're actually about the same cost. Some bands (like Therapy? and Sloan and Stereolab) use buses on their tours even when they're getting paid only a couple hundred bucks a night, and this tour should earn at least a grand or two every night. It'll be worth it. The band will be more comfortable and will play better.

The agent says a band on a major label can get a merchandising company to pay them an advance on t-shirt sales! Ridiculous! There's a gold mine here! The lawyer should look over the merchandising contract, just to be safe.

They get drunk at the signing party. Polaroids are taken and everybody looks thrilled. The label picked them up in a limo.

They decided to go with the producer who used to be in Letterman's band. He had these technicians come in and tune the drums for them and tweak their amps and guitars. He had a guy bring in a slew of expensive old vintage microphones. Boy, were they "warm." He even had a guy come in and check the phase of all the equipment in the control room! Boy, was he professional. He used a bunch of equipment on them and by the end of it, they all agreed that it sounded very "punchy," yet "warm."

All that hard work paid off. With the help of a video, the album went like hotcakes! They sold a quarter million copies!

Here is the math that will explain just how fucked they are:

These figures are representative of amounts that appear in record contracts daily. There's no need to skew the figures to make the scenario look bad, since real-life examples more than abound. Income is underlined, expenses are not.

Advance: $250,000
Manager's cut: $37,500
Legal fees: $10,000
Recording Budget: $150,000
Producer's advance: $50,000
Studio fee: $52,500
Drum, Amp, Mic and Phase "Doctors": $3,000
Recording tape: $8,000
Equipment rental: $5,000
Cartage and Transportation: $5,000
Lodgings while in studio: $10,000
Catering: $3,000
Mastering: $10,000
Tape copies, reference CDs, shipping tapes, misc expenses: $2,000

Video budget: $30,000
Cameras: $8,000
Crew: $5,000
Processing and transfers: $3,000
Offline: $2,000
Online editing: $3,000
Catering: $1,000
Stage and construction: $3,000
Copies, couriers, transportation: $2,000
Director's fee: $3,000

Album Artwork: $5,000
Promotional photo shoot and duplication: $2,000

Band fund: $15,000
New fancy professional drum kit: $5,000
New fancy professional guitars (2): $3,000
New fancy professional guitar amp rigs (2): $4,000
New fancy potato-shaped bass guitar: $1,000
New fancy rack of lights bass amp: $1,000
Rehearsal space rental: $500
Big blowout party for their friends: $500

Tour expense (5 weeks): $50,875
Bus: $25,000
Crew (3): $7,500
Food and per diems: $7,875
Fuel: $3,000
Consumable supplies: $3,500
Wardrobe: $1,000
Promotion: $3,000

Tour gross income: $50,000
Agent s cut: $7,500
Manager's cut: $7,500

Merchandising advance: $20,000
Manager's cut: $3,000
Lawyer's fee: $1,000

Publishing advance: $20,000
Manager's cut: $3,000
Lawyer's fee: $1,000

Record sales: 250,000 @ $12 = $3,000,000 gross retail revenue Royalty (13% of 90% of retail): $351,000
Less advance: $250,000
Producer's points: (3% less $50,000 advance) $40,000
Promotional budget: $25,000
Recoupable buyout from previous label: $50,000
Net royalty: (-$14,000)

Record company income:
Record wholesale price $6.50 x 250,000 = $1,625,000 gross income
Artist Royalties: $351,000
Deficit from royalties: $14,000
Manufacturing, packaging and distribution @ $2.20 per record: $550,000
Gross profit: $710,000

The Balance Sheet: This is how much each player got paid at the end of the game.

Record company: $710,000
Producer: $90,000
Manager: $51,000
Studio: $52,500
Previous label: $50,000
Agent: $7,500
Lawyer: $12,000
Band member net income each: $4,031.25

The band is now 1/4 of the way through its contract, has made the music industry more than 3 millon dollars richer, but is in the hole $14,000 on royalties. The band members have each earned about 1/3 as much as they would working at a 7-11, but they got to ride in a tour bus for a month.

The next album will be about the same, except that the record company will insist they spend more time and money on it. Since the previous one never "recouped," the band will have no leverage, and will oblige.

The next tour will be about the same, except the merchandising advance will have already been paid, and the band, strangely enough, won't have earned any royalties from their t-shirts yet. Maybe the t-shirt guys have figured out how to count money like record company guys.

Some of your friends are probably already this fucked. Steve Albini is a much sought-after producer and founding member of eighties punk band Big Black. more on Big Black

Jahsonic, Monday, 25 November 2002 17:04 (13 years ago) Permalink

Thanks for posting what Albini was up to like 6 years ago.

hstencil, Monday, 25 November 2002 17:09 (13 years ago) Permalink

is this article a revised version? we should invite albini to revise the figures to take account of inflation.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 25 November 2002 17:46 (13 years ago) Permalink

hstencil, its monday and we are in a pretty louse mood, right?

nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 25 November 2002 17:49 (13 years ago) Permalink

Despite having to clean up a stopped-up toilet (thank you, roommates) I'm actually in a good mood. Even with that Albini article getting posted somewhere for like the 600 MILLIONTH time.

hstencil, Monday, 25 November 2002 17:54 (13 years ago) Permalink

Albini made the last GY!BE album bad.

Callum (Callum), Monday, 25 November 2002 18:51 (13 years ago) Permalink

explain? (haven't heard it but what is abt albini's contribution that made this record 'bad' in yr opinion?).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 25 November 2002 18:55 (13 years ago) Permalink

Albini is great with simple guitar bands like Shellac, Low and Labradford. With Godspeed his attempt to capture their 'live energy' turned it into a big blurry mess.

Callum (Callum), Monday, 25 November 2002 18:58 (13 years ago) Permalink

A lot of you people on here are big nap takers so I might check the new GYBE! out.....

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

it can't really be albini's fault: what are GYBE supposed to put on the record instead of their 'energy'. I don't think they have tried their hands at songwriting. the point is it prob is the band's fault.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:04 (13 years ago) Permalink

He put the microphones TOO CLOSE!

hstencil, Monday, 25 November 2002 19:05 (13 years ago) Permalink

Maybe GYBE should try writing songs. I mean, if Mogwai can do it...

Callum (Callum), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:10 (13 years ago) Permalink

if only those microphones were a couple of cm to the right then 'energy' would be captured. precious precious energy.

''Maybe GYBE should try writing songs. I mean, if Mogwai can do it...''

they are not v good at it callum.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:20 (13 years ago) Permalink

Are too. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:24 (13 years ago) Permalink

Not very good? Uh, have you HEARD Rock Action?

Callum (Callum), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:26 (13 years ago) Permalink

heard one alb of theirs. that was enough.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:29 (13 years ago) Permalink

All three of their albums are vastly different, but Rock Action is particularly different. They wrote SONGS for Rock Action.

Callum (Callum), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:29 (13 years ago) Permalink

GY!BE were one of two bands at Shellac's ATP which weren't there by invitation of Shellac. This presumably means that they were invited before the big fight, and Foundation wouldn't take them off because they're a big draw.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:39 (13 years ago) Permalink

I really don't care.

Callum (Callum), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:43 (13 years ago) Permalink

big fight?

jones (actual), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:49 (13 years ago) Permalink

Hmmm, Sunday morning donut & pop tart rock shows.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 25 November 2002 20:01 (13 years ago) Permalink

Festivals seem like a stupid idea to me. Who wants to watch a rock band at lunch-time?

Callum (Callum), Monday, 25 November 2002 20:05 (13 years ago) Permalink

Why's there such a big cult of personality around a recording engineer? I don't get it.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 25 November 2002 20:23 (13 years ago) Permalink

Because it's fun.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 25 November 2002 20:31 (13 years ago) Permalink

Because of where he PLACES THE MICROPHONES. Ooooh!

hstencil, Monday, 25 November 2002 20:35 (13 years ago) Permalink

''Why's there such a big cult of personality around a recording engineer? I don't get it.''

um, he's not just a recording engineer sundar. shellac, rapeman and big black were/are good rock bands.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 25 November 2002 20:58 (13 years ago) Permalink

It's because of his music? That's even weirder.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 25 November 2002 21:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

OK he does come across as an idiot and this 'cult' you talk abt (well, since I do live in the UK and don't mix in indie circles)... its the first time I heard of it b-but I like his bands.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 25 November 2002 21:07 (13 years ago) Permalink

Because there are two people here and I want you to kill them.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 25 November 2002 22:31 (13 years ago) Permalink

Because of where he PLACES THE MICROPHONES. Ooooh!

oh... don't forget the record buttons! and those level knobs! oh shit... and the pan knob!

(really tho... all respect due...)

msp, Tuesday, 26 November 2002 03:56 (12 years ago) Permalink

i think you're confusing tracking with mixing

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 04:01 (12 years ago) Permalink

I saw Shellac like a month ago. I went because Rye Coalition were opening, and if you don't know about them, ya betta axe somebody. I was thinking about going up to Steve and saying (in numbnuts doofus voice) "Uh, Mister Albini, here's a tape of stuff I did on my 4-track with about $500 worth of equipment. Do you think you could listen to it, and then tell me if I have any talent that you could perhaps mold into something great, take me under your wing, as it goes?" But I drank to many beers and had to leave 3 songs into Shellacs set, so it didn't happen.

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 04:16 (12 years ago) Permalink

You guys are nerds.
Seriously. Steve Albini is not Julia Roberts and you are not Mary Hart.

E-to-the-Izzo, Tuesday, 26 November 2002 16:22 (12 years ago) Permalink

And you're not H.L. Mencken so step off already.

hstencil, Tuesday, 26 November 2002 16:30 (12 years ago) Permalink

somewhere on that EA thread, albs expands on what it is that he dislikes:

I am objecting to the music and the timewasting/preening/showoff/drugging/profiteering/status-seeking/taxonomically-obsesseive/faddish/stylistically rigid/conceptually barren aspects of club culture, and again, the unbearably stupid music. If it has emancipatory potential, that would be great and I couldn't possibly object to it.

I love, for example, the way disco gave the gay community an avenue into mainstream culture and a platform for unironic flamboyance. Hated discos themselves and the much larger non-gay disco audience of silk shirt cokeheads, ditzy chicks and the upper crust having a spin. Hated it hated it hated it. That music was fucking awful. Those clubs were hell. Those people and the mob that profited off them were the fucking worst. Nice one Sylvester.

Ray Chard (NickB), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 23:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

This correspondence had similar overtones, but it's about the ethics of civet poop coffee

LIKES: civet poop coffee
DISLIKES: civet abuse

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 23:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

if anyone is in the have-opinions-for-money game and isn't too busy today there could be a good hot take fashioned out of Steve Albini and Claire Danes' respective attitudes to club culture

Hector Ringtone (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 07:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

I like a lot of the music that Albini hates but dance clubs stress me out so I can't fault him for feeling the way he does

welltris (crüt), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 12:02 (1 month ago) Permalink

"What I said is that I hate club music and culture, and always have. That's it.

I also hate the Tea Party and its culture. I hate Football and its culture. I hate the White Power movement and its culture. I hate shopping malls and their culture. I hate the Confederacy and its culture. I hate fancy restaurants and foodie culture. I hate reality TV and whatever culture it displays or inspires. I hate pop music and its culture."

Man is a culture denier huh? #corbynJokes

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 12:31 (1 month ago) Permalink

"stylistically rigid"

says the guy who has been making the same record for the last 30 years.

scott seward, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 13:05 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yeah, if there's ever a word that encapsulates Albini and his MO it's rigid.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 13:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

I think Albini's response is pretty spot on, actually, although obviously I love a lot of dance music. He let the guy do what he wanted to do, and gave him material for a video and ad out of it to boot (albeit inadvertently). I'm just amused by the fact that it's a story that Albini hates club music and club culture: of course he does, he's got one of the most dyed-in-the-wool aesthetics of any musician ever, and he's been a crotchety old man about what he believes in since his 20s.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 14:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

octobeard, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

he would not be kissin' up to gays in his 20s; i was there

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

i think there is something sorta charming about having this position in 2015

― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, September 29, 2015 8:26 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

really? what if Billy Corgan said the same thing? ... .... ... .. .

flappy bird, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

Wonder if he also hates metal for being similarly "stylistically rigid".

Evan, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:52 (1 month ago) Permalink


sleeve, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:53 (1 month ago) Permalink

albini is a smart dude but smart dudes can still have some very dumb opinions too

marcos, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:53 (1 month ago) Permalink

i do want to see bob mould and albini team up to form a rival wrestling league to billy corgan's.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:57 (1 month ago) Permalink

Mould wrote for WCW back in its heyday

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 17:02 (1 month ago) Permalink

I guess I don't really understand when we get surprised by stuff like this, I mean of course Albini wouldn't like dance music anymore than I would be shocked if I read an interview with BB King and he would slag off modern pop or when Keith Richards said he didn't like Metallica. A lot of people who have done great work are very tunnel vision and I don't necessirly think that's a bad thing, opposed to people like I dunno Beck who have super wide ranging influences

being miopic can advantages

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 17:06 (1 month ago) Permalink

Or like if you went to Chief Keef and said hey man you like Mission of Burma??? What's up? Cmoon man get with it

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 17:07 (1 month ago) Permalink

xp who is surprised by it? It's just an amusing interaction.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 17:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

i do want to see bob mould and albini team up to form a rival wrestling league to billy corgan's.

― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, September 30, 2015 12:57 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ill empty my bank account to make this happen

flappy bird, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 17:24 (1 month ago) Permalink

did anyone look at this? it was so funny!

this mostly made me lol but i'm sure someone will find a way to empathize with this well-told tale of SA's overzealous hero worship

― La Lechera, Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:18 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark

La Lechera, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 21:07 (1 month ago) Permalink

That is funny.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 21:28 (1 month ago) Permalink

Powell doesn't seem upset about it

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 21:34 (1 month ago) Permalink

this fucking guy is the all-time <i>this fucking guy</i>

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 22:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

scott seward, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 23:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

it's kind of interesting & indicative of the internet in 2k15 how no one appears to be really interested in powell's response here or on ned's facebook

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 October 2015 15:31 (1 month ago) Permalink

pretty much, yeah

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 1 October 2015 16:05 (1 month ago) Permalink

the flipside, though, is that a lot of people in 2015 have difficulty distinguishing between "appropriate for private conversation" and "appropriate for public conversation"

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 1 October 2015 16:06 (1 month ago) Permalink

everybody forgot about this already.

scott seward, Thursday, 1 October 2015 16:14 (1 month ago) Permalink

it never happened.

scott seward, Thursday, 1 October 2015 16:15 (1 month ago) Permalink

RIP techno music & steve albini

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 October 2015 17:13 (1 month ago) Permalink

i wasn't really following this 'controversy;' seemed pretty clear from me from reading the email exchange that there was no beef between these guys. is that what people were going with?

goole, Thursday, 1 October 2015 17:15 (1 month ago) Permalink

Apparently Steve Albini said something grumpy and rockist about music. News.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 1 October 2015 17:27 (1 month ago) Permalink

Just breaking

Dinkytown Strutters' Ball (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 October 2015 17:28 (1 month ago) Permalink

RIP, loved his work with Garbage and Shania Twain

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 1 October 2015 17:29 (1 month ago) Permalink

I don't know who the fuck Steve Albino is

circa1916, Thursday, 1 October 2015 17:34 (1 month ago) Permalink

guitar player in Todd Trainer's band

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 October 2015 17:36 (1 month ago) Permalink

Dinkytown Strutters' Ball (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 October 2015 18:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

Come on though, Albini being all disco sucks in 2015 is like if Adorno wrote to Brotzmann in 1967 warning him of the perils of hot jazz and gramophone records: 'it might be the music of black liberation but I hate those men in spats, I hate their gin joints, I hate their Charleston dancing and their funny hair and their ukeleles, but most of all I hate their stupid zigga-zagga-zizzle singing!'

Haino Corrida (NickB), Thursday, 1 October 2015 18:58 (1 month ago) Permalink

I don't think Albini is saying "disco sucks" so much as "Information Society sucks"

welltris (crüt), Thursday, 1 October 2015 19:06 (1 month ago) Permalink

I always imagined he was thinking about early Ministry/Waxtrax stuff

sleeve, Thursday, 1 October 2015 19:08 (1 month ago) Permalink

His why-disco-sucked post is upthread a bit

Haino Corrida (NickB), Thursday, 1 October 2015 19:13 (1 month ago) Permalink

^^"song with the sample

I know some Civil War re-enactors you might want to talk to (Eazy), Saturday, 3 October 2015 05:06 (1 month ago) Permalink

His why-disco-sucked post upthread is a bit ...

the late great, Saturday, 3 October 2015 05:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

anyway everybody otm itt

the late great, Saturday, 3 October 2015 05:21 (1 month ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Disco hater

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 21:14 (Yesterday) Permalink

teared up a lil at that tbh


Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 21:15 (Yesterday) Permalink

Steve once did something incredibly sweet and thoughtful for me and I asked him " if yr such as asshole how come you do such nice stuff for people" and he said "I dunno...irony?"

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 21:25 (Yesterday) Permalink

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