What say you?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 21 November 2002 16:22 (10 years ago) Permalink
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― Aaron W, Thursday, 21 November 2002 22:29 (10 years ago) Permalink
I realize this may not work for all the Neds or Helltimes out there.
― Alan N (Alan N), Thursday, 21 November 2002 23:22 (10 years ago) Permalink
FUCKIN THE SUMMER JAM Y'ALL
― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Monday, 24 July 2006 06:38 (6 years ago) Permalink
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― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 24 July 2006 11:42 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Rev. PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie 2), Monday, 24 July 2006 12:03 (6 years ago) Permalink
also "Shooter" is unspeakably great.
― James.Cobo (jamescobo), Sunday, 27 August 2006 03:49 (6 years ago) Permalink
Oh I slay me!
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 27 August 2006 12:03 (6 years ago) Permalink
― sean gramophone (Sean M), Sunday, 27 August 2006 18:24 (6 years ago) Permalink
― nervous (cochere), Sunday, 27 August 2006 18:45 (6 years ago) Permalink
There’s a time you got to go and showYou’re growin’ now you know about the facts of life,The facts of life.
When the world never seems to be livin up to your dreamsAnd suddenly you’re finding outThe facts of life are all about you, you.
It takes a lot to get ‘em rightWhen you’re learning the facts of life. (learning the facts of life)Learning the facts of life (learning the facts of life)Learning the facts of life.
― PappaWheelie, Olives, Red Wine, Coffee, Scotch, and Me (PappaWheelie 2), Sunday, 27 August 2006 19:16 (6 years ago) Permalink
― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Sunday, 27 August 2006 23:34 (6 years ago) Permalink
― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 27 August 2006 23:49 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 August 2006 00:57 (6 years ago) Permalink
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― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 28 August 2006 13:30 (6 years ago) Permalink
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 August 2006 13:34 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Baaderonixx: the lost ILX years (baaderonixx), Monday, 28 August 2006 13:50 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Monday, 28 August 2006 15:48 (6 years ago) Permalink
The haircut is also a great relief.
― danzig (danzig), Monday, 28 August 2006 15:49 (6 years ago) Permalink
― danzig (danzig), Monday, 28 August 2006 15:51 (6 years ago) Permalink
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 28 August 2006 19:23 (6 years ago) Permalink
finally got around to hearing non-singles on this album, so great!
― deej, Wednesday, 27 June 2007 22:32 (5 years ago) Permalink
the album is terrible and thicke is maybe the smarmiest singer ever and that one song w/ the teacher/pupil metaphor is really creepy
― lex pretend, Thursday, 28 June 2007 07:30 (5 years ago) Permalink
and i LIKE about...three? four? of his songs
Come on, that album is pretty great, although 'Wanna U You Girl' is a bit misleading. I see him as some kind of male Sade for the 00's.
― baaderonixx, Thursday, 28 June 2007 07:52 (5 years ago) Permalink
yeah it's got that same v enticing yuppie decadence, but it's totally spoilt by...his self-awareness maybe? he comes off like a performing seal sometimes. and when he doesn't it's bizarrely anonymous and flat! 'cocaine' and 'got 2 be down' are the two i'm actually feeling.
also really hating most of the lyrics. do not need to hear any more boys complaining that no one understands them because they're too complicated maaaaan.
― lex pretend, Thursday, 28 June 2007 07:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
You missed one of the best songs on the album, "Would That Make U Love Me"
― baaderonixx, Thursday, 28 June 2007 09:30 (5 years ago) Permalink
I really, really wish that falsetto singers who aren't full-on belters like Phillip Bailey would stop performing live because all it does is make them sound weak and airy.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 28 June 2007 12:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
I like the single, but on the BET Awards he did not sound that strong, and looked goofy with his thin little moustache and preppy vest sweater over tie plus old adidas sneakers look. His dancing and Jackie Wilson/James Brown falling to a knee moves were not that smoothly executed either.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 28 June 2007 12:30 (5 years ago) Permalink
his lyrics are about as good as timberlake.
― titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 28 June 2007 12:37 (5 years ago) Permalink
also his voice is kinda weak live. saw him at the jazz cafe a while back. the girls ate it up cos of that song everyone loves (i like it too) but other than that, the albums kinda soporific.
― titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 28 June 2007 13:18 (5 years ago) Permalink
(My previous post was prompted by his BET performance, which was pretty much the definition of "weaksauce".)
― HI DERE, Thursday, 28 June 2007 13:23 (5 years ago) Permalink
his album sounds convincing to me, and i don't get any fakeness from it. 'sade of the 00s' is overstating it maybe but its a similar vibe -
omg @ his wife:
― deej, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:15 (5 years ago) Permalink
have u been listening to anything in this vein recently dan? can you think of someone doing a similar vibe now that you think sings better?
― deej, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:16 (5 years ago) Permalink
i'm not arguing, just wondering!
It beats Pharell, in any case.
― baaderonixx, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:33 (5 years ago) Permalink
yeah i don't think he's anything but himself; trouble with that being dude is revolting. and double yeah, if he didnt annoy me enough already he gets to go home to paula patton?! what the shit.
― r|t|c, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:38 (5 years ago) Permalink
bearing in mind also that that pic up there is probly the worst i've ever seen of her
― r|t|c, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:40 (5 years ago) Permalink
The sound of a baby wailing in pain because its legs have been pulled off by cougars beats Pharell; come on now.
Justin Timberlake, actually!
― HI DERE, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:45 (5 years ago) Permalink
"When I get You Alone" is amazing, wtf is wrong with you people?
― musically, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:48 (5 years ago) Permalink
Apocalypse in five...four...three...
(xp)
― The Reverend, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
I'm kinda in the middle on this dude, I get the feeling I'd like most of the songs on his album (his newer one) taken out of context, but listening to it one stretch is a giant fucking chore.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 28 June 2007 14:50 (5 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, once a song becomes that popular, there just has to be clueless thinkpieces about it. When the Gotye song hit #1 there was the dumbest Jezebel post about hey the guy in this song probably wasn't a good boyfriend, he sounds like a creep!
― ramona & yeezus (some dude), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 11:50 (Yesterday) Permalink
I like Maura's nbd appearance in that article. Once you start singling out pop songs in which the guy sounds like a bit of a creep where do you stop? Lucky for Sting that Every Breath You Take predated Jezebel.
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 11:57 (Yesterday) Permalink
Frannie Kelley too! She's cool, I wish she posted here.
― ramona & yeezus (some dude), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 12:47 (Yesterday) Permalink
i guess it's a valid topic of discussion but i don't know the song is very obviously about thicke trying to coax a woman out of her shell, not trying to get her blackout drunk so he can fuck her
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 18 June 2013 12:58 (Yesterday) Permalink
i guess it's a valid topic of discussion but i don't know the commercial is very obviously about psy trying to coax a pistachio out of its shell
― PappaWheelie on the zeitgeist (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 13:48 (Yesterday) Permalink
I hate constructions like "kinda (bad thing)y" and "quasi-(bad thing)" that allow writers to demand a defense without outright claiming the offense.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 13:57 (Yesterday) Permalink
I also don't think it does the end-rape-culture cause much of a service to casually throw around that kind of construction.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 13:59 (Yesterday) Permalink
Yeah, "kinda rapey" is offensive all round
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 14:01 (Yesterday) Permalink
article itself is appreciated though, at least for showing how much sympathy (or the lack of it) affects ones perception of sexism/sexual aggressiveness.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 14:03 (Yesterday) Permalink
a lot of the time in cases like this there's a real failure to understand that the visual aspect of pop music may bely the actual substance of the song - especially with mainstream/pop artists, i find their public image (a vague, nebulous thing that lends itself to kinda-constructions) is a lot more conservative/careful/rigid than the actual words they sing
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 14:04 (Yesterday) Permalink
in this case it's annoying b/c there's a valid discussion about misogyny to be had but calling the song "kinda rapey" is not it
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 14:05 (Yesterday) Permalink
Also, the default mode of writing nowadays is flippant. The worst sin is treating serious stuff seriously.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 14:10 (Yesterday) Permalink
totally. i can't really do humorous writing anyway but i especially can't do it about stuff i know a lot about, or love a great deal. when i can write flippantly it's because i don't really care about my subject
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 14:11 (Yesterday) Permalink
I know there's a whole thread devoted to this tone of voice but I cannot wait for bloggers to stop hiding behind flippant-feeble "erm"s and "kinda"s.
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 14:17 (Yesterday) Permalink
Yeah, uh that skinhead band is a WEE BIT TOO holocausty for my tastes.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 14:18 (Yesterday) Permalink
Haha
― ramona & yeezus (some dude), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 15:20 (Yesterday) Permalink
I cannot wait for things that are never going to happen also.
― Studied keyboard mash (tsrobodo), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 15:25 (Yesterday) Permalink
"Lucky for Sting that Every Breath You Take predated Jezebel."
actual lol
― maura, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:53 (Yesterday) Permalink
i mean i guess the whole 'any song where a man shows a sexual interest in a woman is now rapey' ideal espoused by some feminist blogs is very 'caricature of feminists in pcu' shit
and i mean i STILL listen to a lot of hard rock. so
― maura, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:54 (Yesterday) Permalink
tbf "i know you want it" is a step beyond the expression of sexual interest. A less sympathetic son of a tv star would get oodles of shit for a song that declares you "the hottest bitch in this place," reaffirms all that stands between you is your "good girl" status, and then offers drugs in the last verse.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:57 (Yesterday) Permalink
also if the well-dressed men surrounded by topless women weren't doing vaudeville routines
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:58 (Yesterday) Permalink
kind of wish this feminist internet reaction existed when "give it to you" came out
one of the most uncomfortable songs to karaoke
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 17:59 (Yesterday) Permalink
someone put robin's vocal over puddle of mudd - "blurry lines" to show how much context matters
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:02 (Yesterday) Permalink
or just get chad kroeger to cover it
But "I know you want it" is bracketed by him talking about how she's grabbing him, and the earlier "you're an animal" lines seem to indicate that it's not a metaphor...
― maura, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:08 (Yesterday) Permalink
I dunno. All this stuff is so thorny. And there is so much worse misogyny out there that is actively denying of women's sexual agency, you know?
― maura, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:10 (Yesterday) Permalink
yeah there is, but if someone's skeeved by robin they're not wrong to be. and while i'm not much for outrage-culling, acknowledging that the cute can be piggish has its value.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:11 (Yesterday) Permalink
Oh sure, and it's not like we're otherwise in some golden era for the way that male-female relationships play out in pop culture, either.
― maura, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:14 (Yesterday) Permalink
yeah, i just think that whether a song is gross or not probably shouldn't be judged primarily by our individual "can get it"-o-meters and if people are giving robin a pass for language they'd crucify chad for it's worth looking at why and whether it's anything more than taste in haircuts.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:16 (Yesterday) Permalink
they should have replaced the models with Chad Kroger in the unrated version
― ttyih boi (crüt), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:19 (Yesterday) Permalink
― maura, Tuesday, June 18, 2013 2:08 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what if it's REALLY not a metaphor and the song is about the goat
― ramona & yeezus (some dude), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:25 (Yesterday) Permalink
― da croupier, Tuesday, June 18, 2013 2:16 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well except I think criticizing women for "giving robin a pass" because of their "can get it" o meters (which I'm not saying you're doing) starts to get into the territory of "denying womens' sexual agency." I mean it reminds me of those butthurt internet nerd comments that you always see about how "HARUMPH, GUESS IT'S NOT SEXUAL HARASSMENT IF HE'S HOT" -- well (1) no, that's not true, but(2) the "unwanted" part of "repeated unwanted advances" parts is kind of a key element of what makes something harassment.
Like, sorry butthurt internet nerd, you're not as hot as Robin Thicke, and women might want him to say something that they don't want you to say.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:36 (Yesterday) Permalink
And that's a "might" -- it doesn't mean they do, but you're not entitled to some level playing field with Robin Thicke just because, and women shouldn't really be criticized for not giving you that level playing field.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:38 (Yesterday) Permalink
i apologize for the implication but i didn't mean to primarily single out women re "can-get-i"-o-meters, or that personal preferences shouldn't affect one's perception of music - obviously men and women are influenced by their tastes, obviously tastes does influence our preferences, and they should. if someone gives robin thicke's "blurred lines" a 9 and chad kroeger's "blurred lines" a 4 because of haircut, genre, etc that's totally cool. i'm just saying if one's a sexy gentleman and one's a "kinda rapey" pig because of haircut and guitar tone, that's a sign we're not actually dealing with the content of the music. i never would judge someone for what they do or don't find hot, enjoyable, etc (well not seriously judge them), but I do think writers should be conscious of what they're responding to and letting slide.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:46 (Yesterday) Permalink
itt guy who typed "pussy buffet" onto ILX on three separate occasions parses sexist language
― PappaWheelie on the zeitgeist (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 19:05 (Yesterday) Permalink
i have no problem with rock guys being overtly into women though! shit, one of my favorite musical discoveries of last year was an extended girl-as-car metaphor by a guy whose physical appearance i only have the vaguest knowledge of
i mean there's always context. the rest of robin thicke's catalog would seem to indicate that he, y'know, likes women as human beings.
― maura, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 19:09 (Yesterday) Permalink
smart take
― balls, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 19:10 (Yesterday) Permalink
I think Thicke's got the same songwritery/model detachment as Chris Isaak that can make him flirt with models in a video without it coming across as entitlement or worse.
― lols lane (Eazy), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 19:10 (Yesterday) Permalink
(Also because the dude is married and talks about his marriage and makes his wife the love object in all of his other videos!)
― lols lane (Eazy), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 19:11 (Yesterday) Permalink
― balls, Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:10 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
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you have such an insane memory when it comes to ilxors
― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 19:17 (Yesterday) Permalink
always nice to know there are dudes still thinking about dumb shit i said in 2005
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 19:19 (Yesterday) Permalink
haha i just remembered you were kinda ott zealous in yr defense of 'the whisper song' so it was kinda weird to see you go in on this much more innocuous thicke song (more weird to see to see those old responding to the larger debate voice pieces w/o the context of the actual larger debate, i can barely remember what you're responding to there though i think jessica hopper was involved). 'kinda rapey's too far for this track but it's obv skeezy, more so than default hair metal trax about girls (which when not obv ott gleeful misogynist could be kinda ott vulnerable romantic)(the only huge hair metal act i can think of right now that was really better in misogynist mode and they knew it was motley crue; g'n'f'n'r, cinderella, skid row, bon jovi were better bringing on the heartbreak), less so than kanye on his best day. video amplifies it obv (though bros playful disinterest probably mitigates a little bit) but it's there in the song also.
― balls, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 19:34 (Yesterday) Permalink
I'm predicting circles of dancing gals at nightclubs pointed at each other and mouthing "You're the finest bitch in this place" for the next 12-18 months.
― lols lane (Eazy), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 19:40 (Yesterday) Permalink
yeah maura sorry i've got you on the defense here, i'm being strawmanny and asking for that - shades of 'wait', oddly enough. where i was all defensively "hey don't say it's wrong for men to be sexually aggressive" to no one in particularly all those years ago now my stance is "let's just admit this stuff can be gross if you're not playing along," again to no one in particular. i was on better ground when there were particulars re: the sfw video, obv.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 19:41 (Yesterday) Permalink
wait til you see my thicke
― ramona & yeezus (some dude), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 21:25 (Yesterday) Permalink
lol
― ttyih boi (crüt), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 21:27 (Yesterday) Permalink
haha some dude otm
― Shock G Mo Collier (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 21:30 (Yesterday) Permalink
nailed it
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 21:35 (Yesterday) Permalink
ship!
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 22:02 (Yesterday) Permalink
Just watched the unrated video. Daddy horny, michael.
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 01:57 (4 hours ago) Permalink