― Mike Hanley, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
critics hype and then pull down. without the hype critics would be
without jobs. hence, larvae always attaches onto beauty.
― jebediah, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Actually, Cliff Jones puts me in mind of a possible new thread:
GREAT POP MYTHS. A young friend of mine insists it's true that
Jones had ribs removed so that he could perform, ahem,
auto-fellatio. Yet I'm sure that this story has been told about
everyone and anyone who's worn make-up since Little Richard.
A variation I heard as a kid was that Marc Almond had to be
rushed to hospital to have his stomach pumped, and it was
found to contain 3! pints! of! semen!. Sadly, I've since heard the
same story about Marc Bolan.
― stevie t, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
They also reckoned that Nicky Wire had a tiny cock or something. They
may as well have pointed out that water is wet.
― Venga, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
i stopped reading critics and just join egroups......I suspect that's
what alot of people do now. Critics are up their arse, really and
have no clue what people who BUY THERE OWN MUSIC....want.
Gay Dad's song - Jesus Christ...what a fabulous track.
Radio four is here in Toronto tonight. The constantines are playing,
clash v. springsteen...
― joe samson, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― proton, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― K-reg, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― DJ Martian, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
asian dub foundation and goldie lost their contract with a major
label....so did the posies, super furries, teenage fanclub.....
so what does that tell us? nothing.
gaydad are rock adn roll. the critics band to succeed.
hmmmm...what would the i love music band sound like? I shudder to
think...no, not the band, I just shudder sometimes, when I think of
― emoticon paul, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Well, it is a side effect of chronic masturbation. Try to winnow it
down to less than 12 times per day and yer should be right as rain in
I'm saying this as a pal, mind. I worry about wot happens to me pals.
― emoticon 'just can't get enough' paul, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
it's the name...the words....just can't help meself.
― paul 'one rib less' emoticon, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― paul 'soul hero in this soul mobile on queen' emoticon, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― paul, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― paul 'awww shucks i take yer silence as a no' emoticon, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Patrick, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
1) Gay Dad - WHY, GOD, WHY? Have we sinned that badly?
2) 'Paul' - Is everything good rock'n'roll? Is all rock'n'roll good?
― DG, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Oh, BTW, there was no rib removal, but the auto-fellatio bit is true.
― masonic boom, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
depends. you just know what is good and what isnt....it's personal.
some of it is really bad. my general guideline is that pretension is
the enemy of art. the pretension stuff is shit. the jeff buckley
tributes are shit. the 'hey it's on an indie label so it must be
good but it's just very boring but i'm going to name drop the album
and never listen to it' is shit.
i like the concept of soul in rock and roll. whether it be gay dad,
mahalia jackson, mission control, the strokes....you know when it's
real if you feel connected to it....should soundtrack yer life and
it's just that indie attitude of people who attack it. I think rock
adn roll is beautiful.
ramblin' paul 'jack elliott'....
― paul 'coldplay sure isnt' emoticon, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Oh, and Kate, to continue a thread from about two years ago on
another list entirely, I told you they were crap! Hee hee.
― Bill, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Tom, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
and why is mine, wrong. Music is highly personal, I find the
dissection of music, painful and counterproductive.
The funny thing is, I have been in a room full of music critics
before and instead of talking about music, I just tell them the last
record bought was Ricky Martin. It's easier that way.
Why is music wrong, Tom? And more importantly, why are you right?
Too right. If there is one thing the Strokes have not, it's soul.
― scott p., Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
it either has it or it doesnt. kevin rowland, my beauty has it.
even the shaggs have it. it's something that comes through in the
music that is true and beautiful and is the reason why people love
tom, question, what records for you have soul?
Aw, Bill, I can't even counter with the excuse I used to use ("aw,
but he's good looking") any more cause Cliff Jones got hit by the
ugly truck bigtime lately.
this is the sort of talk, that I dig about music.
am on 'don't think twice, it's alright'....., beth orton trailer
park, tasha lee's album, strokes, some african guy's soundtrack to an
indie movie, where, if I were to try spelling it, I would
get 'flamed', dj shadow, trashmonk, the temptations, the eels
song 'everything is going to be alright this christmas, pattern 45
wet circuit city, the hives and gorecki.
i do love music. sometimes, it's my life. thus, am easy to take the
piss out of.
By that definition maybe the Strokes do have soul,
because they certainly have enough of mommy and daddy's
money that they needn't create in order acquire riches. Shame
about that money buying them access to music media and
record labels and their passing themselves off as elegantly
wasted boho Lower East Side types though.
:calms down from apoplexy::
OK, for those of you who haven't heard it a million times before, my
problem with The Strokes is that they are being hyped as this
continuation of the NY "Art Punk" tradition, compared to VU, through
Television through Jonathan Fire*Eater all that stuff.
The Strokes are to the VU what Oasis are to the Beatles- a watered
down imitation made palatable to the MTV generation.
What Tom said about "being too busy posing and worrying about looking
cool to actually have any soul" is their very problem. They've aped
the look and the style of that scene, but captured none of the
If you want a band that *measures up* to those reviews, waste no time
with The Sucks, but go out and get yourself a French Kicks record.
Far superior, they back up the style and affectations with truly
Doompatrol, you are exactly the sort of person who *SHOULD* love The
I rest my case.
Holy shit, I think I auditioned for them in about 1995/6. From what I
remember, they were excellent garage/surf sort of stuff. However,
this was five years ago. Didn't know they were still around. And
Peelie played them? Will have to look them up and see if they're
Dammit, if *we* were American, Peel would love us. Sigh. Oh,
"I Hate Music" was taken, sadly.
Hey! Who would have guessed a Gay Dad thread would get
upwards of 75 posts?
― Josh, Wednesday, 23 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
See, other people hate them too. Humph. And now I have substantiated
*reason* to dislike them, well, what, apart from their lack of talent
I do have to note that though the boy did not want to go out tonight,
claims to loathe Pooptones with a passion, hates schmoozing, etc.
etc. etc, it is now midnight and he's not back yet. Humph.
― Nicole, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Mike Hanley, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Are there any of Stevie Ray's ideas that Momus hasn't pilfered?
― scott p., Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
two fingers to you and the industry music spawned.
― paul, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
anyways, I love the strokes, but still listening to new poptones
signings, french kicks, the bellrays and well.......................
the last one will be a surprise.
poptones loathes you masonic boom. so don't worry.
― DG, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Poptones is to the best of my knowledge, completely unaware of my
very existence!, and seeing as how I put heart and soul into
writing prog rock on a komputer using
synthesisers I'm not expecting that to change anytime soon.
Not that I give a shiznitch, or anything.
WTF, if poptones were as KaY-WRaD as doom paul seems to think,
they'd have signed ars nova if they were looking for a mad &
r0x0ring all grrl band (are you bothering with this thread momus -
ars nova are from your current part of the world!), and not those
embarrasing losers ping pong biznitches.
perhaps the board admins could start a special thread for DooMPauL!
Call it BBBY GLLSP 'as no SouL, or something!
Oh, gay dad. I though they were OK-ish. Will that do?
― /<-r/-\/>-31337, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
And have you EVER heard of maybe CONSOLIDATING your posts, punk?
Maybe then people would actually listen to you.
― masonic boom, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Dave M., Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
no....keep going with your band. there is nothing better than
watching a aging scenster do their thing on stage and pretending that
the world actually cares........................................
*paul mysteriously vanishing in a cloud of smoke and 13th floor
elevators 'your going to miss me'*
(by the way am a obsessive compulsive, if you don't want me around
don't mention any of postings...this is a hint to make me go
away....just trying to be helpful...bye bye)
1) You have OCD then? What's the compulsion, being obnoxious? Very
odd. Most OCD sufferers do stuff supposedly to *avoid* bad
things...you invite derision and ridicule.
2) Pardon me if I missed something, but what is the connection
between 'Paul' and 'Masonic Boom'?
; - )
― told ya, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― duane zarakov, Thursday, 24 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― duane zarakov, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Read into that whatever you will. And based on the foregoing, it
seems like a blessing for me.
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Tony Wilhelm, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Both of these bands we've been discussing, Gay Dad and The Strokes
have had huge hype machines behind them. Obviously, this has affected
our perception of them, and their music.
In the chartpop world, clearly hype does no harm- the whole
Popstars/Hear'Say phenomenon, which many hoped would finally blow the
roof off and expose the wires and smokes and mirrors behind the
chartpop svengali world, seemed to have quite the opposite, and many
call it "the world's longest advert for a single."
The Strokes, much hyped as you've seen from clear explanations from
Scott P., have provoked an extreme disgust reaction in many people,
including me. I didn't like them the first time I heard them (in a
dingy little club on the Lower East Side) - but honestly, I see many
bands live, and hear hundreds of promo CDs every month that commit
far greater offenses against my tastes in music, but they've not
provoked the same dislike.
And that got me thinking about Gay Dad. Initially I did *like* their
first single. But the surrounding hype (and it really was the first
time I'd seen hype from the inside. Their rise to fame coincided with
my moving to London, experiencing the poster and press deluge, being
friends with music journalists who got the press releases and promos)
quickly drove me to go from "Oh well, good first single, couldn't
live up to it" to dismisssing the entire thing as a media stunt.
If hype has such a negative, backfiring effect on bands, why do
bands, their labels, their Pluggers and their publicists continue to
rely so heavily on it? Can you think of a situation where hype has
had a *positive* influence on a band?
Is anti-hype the answer? Radiohead, in their refusal to do press, do
interviews, do singles, videos, promos, etc. seemed to be making anti-
hype a hype in itself. Is there a middle ground between Thom Yorke,
and that cover of Melody Maker "we are the best band in the world"
bollocks so common in the 90s?
I mean, what can we/they (fans? bands? press? record industry as a
whole?) do about this?
― masonic boom, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Patrick, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― tp, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― gareth, Saturday, 26 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
If you can criticize bands, why can't people criticize your band? If
you put yourself in the arena, I mean. Most of the critics, bear
grudges, why is it that guy's criticism something no one could
― firstname.lastname@example.org, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
A: "larvae always attaches onto beauty"
― mark s, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
I have been around long enough to be able to tell the difference
between negative criticism and personal attack.
As I said many times in the Courtney Love thread, if you don't like
the music, well, fine, stick to the music. Tell me why you do or
don't like the music. (or the image, or the hype, or the anything
objective.) I can take negative criticism- if you don't like the
music, fine. But personal attack is not on- you may insult my music,
you may not insult *me*.
I would really like to put this whole thing behind us. Enough already.
― masonic boom, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― DG, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 14 February 2003 23:56 (10 years ago) Permalink
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Saturday, 15 February 2003 03:43 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Rob M (Rob M), Saturday, 15 February 2003 12:40 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 15 February 2003 13:34 (10 years ago) Permalink
Lots of interesting comments about the Strokes in this thread... and months before the debut album came out (no pun intended)
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 7 June 2012 14:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
i am kind of curious about gay dad though... any good?
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 7 June 2012 14:24 (1 year ago) Permalink