The Doors: Classic or Dud?

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I was listening to The Doors today, which I hardly ever do, and I remembered that they are in fact, despite everything, and incredible band. The live Riders On The Storm/L.A. Woman thing where they're run together (where is this? anyone enlighten me?) is magnificent. There's a certain incendiary passion to the best of the work, I think, that almost completely makes up for the lizard-cock-king nonsense. Classic.

Sterling Clover, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Let me second that, yeah they are the uncoolest band around, everybody is fed up with the Cult of Jimbo, and still there's enough to warrant a classic vote. First album of course, somehow 'Light My Fire' never bores me, 'Crystal Ship' is one of my favourite stoney love songs. And well 'The End' = Apocalypse Now = cool in my book. "Strange Days" is their best album though, no weak track on it. The rest up till 'L.A. Woman' is patchy with some occasional brilliant stuff. But the last album is again classic. Of course I never listen to them, but I really should dig out 'LA Woman' again. So yeah they were ridiculous, pretentious, over-analysed, silly and smart...like any good band should be ;)

Omar, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

If I wasn't so lazy, I'd work up a serious thing on how unusual it is for a rock band to have its motorik organised round an ORGAN BASS- PEDAL instead of a bass guitar (I know Manzarek and sometimes others sometimes played bass guitar, but OFTEN NOT). In micro-rhythm terms I think this makes a big difference to the interplay: like a sort of microscopic ragtime shuffle. (Esp., maybe, in the response times and sense of attack of Krieger's guitar?)

Dunno, perhaps this is just a spectacular muso bid to find a justified way of not listening to Mr "Mother-I-Want-To-bleeeagh"? After Stone's fabby-goofy-ghastly movie, I kind of decided that I preferred to assume that Manzarek was the talent, and Morrison just a guy who made bad avant-garde movies in a decade swimming with bad avant-garde movie. So, search: variant rhythm interplay, and Waiting for the Sun.

mark s, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

morrison's poetry is, for the most part, utterly blank pseudo fakery on the patr of one of the more repellant figures in the fake- liverated period of overdriven mysiogyny that was the late 1960s, but the records have some great moments. 'unknown soldier', 'waiting for the sun', 'changeling', 'crystal ship', (of course) 'light my fire' (tho; the keyboard solo is, for the most part, dullsville)

stevie, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The only other band I can think of who used keyboard/organ bass instead of bass guitar is van der graaf generator, who were truly out there.

As far as the doors go, one can mock morrison all one likes, and god knows it's easy - "he was a shaman - he trod where others feared to etc". Yeah. Whatever. But they are still really good records IMO. I don't think they ever made a 100% classic album, but when I spotted a bunch of CD reissues in cute mini-vinyl-style sleeves on sale in HMV, I bought as many as I could afford...

Classic for me, then.

Norman Fay, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"I promised I would drown myself in mystic heated wine": I think I've just changed my mind on JM, actually

The VGG organist [name beyond reach this morning: Hugh something?] would hold down adjacent low notes so that the combined overtones would deliver a heterodyning feedback-throb thing, as rhythym or (maybe: I never saw them) as note...

mark s, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yes, the Doors (the people who played things) were quite a good band. Jim Morrison was a part of the group. Yeah, they were good, perhaps classic, but they were dragged down a few notches by Jim and his cocks.

Dud, just because I got over LA Woman and don't care to associate with 15 year olds anymore (he said as he turned on his new Weezer album again)

JM, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

That's not the first time I've heard that accusastion aimed at the Doors...is it only possible to REALLY like them if you're 15? I don't like them as much as I used too...hmmm...

DG, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The reason not to like the Doors - i.e. Jim Morrison - is so well rehearsed and cliched now that it seems like a real waste of energy to go over it again.

But that doesn't make it any less true. Dud. Part of pop is taking things on faith, sometimes.

Tom, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Doors are most interesting at their extremes: The Lizard King schtick and "Touch Me", where they go pop like early Chicago.

The image of Morrison swaying in leather pants with a microphone stand in hand is one of the more enduring Rock archetypes; it's been coppped many times since, by just about every rock band singer who wanted to be "serious" (Bono, Misfits, Creed, REM). Sure, it's riddiculous, but definitely part of the fun with this band, maybe something like the thrill of seeing Lil' Kim squeezed into her latest comstume. Dorky pop theater.

Then there is "touch me" and the like, a handful of great, catchy pop songs that revealed The Doors teenybopper roots.

Still, so many terrible songs on those albums, and yes, I have heard them all. So I'm leaning toward dud.

Mark, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Dud - particularly in light of the fact that every indie/alternative nightclub in the North East of England insists on playing the toss that is Light My Fire every single week. It's almost as if it's some weird contractual obligation or something.

Eamonn, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mark - Van der Graaf's organist was Hugh Banton. As well as the heterodyning basso profundo throb referred to (similar in principle, but at lower frequencies to the way the theremin works) he'd do such fun things as run his bass pedals thru 18" drivers, or modify his hammond organ so you could power down the rotors, but not the pickups! He now designs digitally sampled pipe organs for installation in churches(iirc, his site is www.soundproof.demon.co.uk). How frightfully rock & roll. Hugh Banton is one of my heroes, and I wish I could play like him.

x0x0

Norman Fay, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ah jimbo - the man who I thought i was the night i did 3 lines of coke in an argentine beerhall, after drinking 9 litres of beer, throwing up, watching a U2 concert live from sydney, and somehow ending up in the boot of a hatchback, pondering how marvellous it was that all the street lights were running away from me, instead of hurling themselves towards me... Umm, classic.

Geoff, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

When I was eighteen I cared a bit more. Now...no. I know some extremely passionate fans and every so often I'm reminded why they can connect, but generally speaking I let them slide these days.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Jim would have a better reputation these days if it weren't for three things:

1. Manzarek's hippybabble testimonials (poor Kyle MacLachlan). 2. Oliver Stone (duh). 3. Val Kilmer, who should have retired after Top Secret.

Every now and then I'm reminded of their occasional greatness, but it was very occasional. He inspired Iggy, so perhaps that's the best thing about him.

So which stamp will it be, then? Fat Jim or Skinny Jim?

Andy, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The film killed it for me though i like Jim Morrison overall.Hollywood's take on the Doors was awful and destroyed the myth..

cockney red, Sunday, 20 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hav eyou noticed there seem to be allot of covers of "Light My Fire" including by Ananda Shankar and The Free Design. I had to do one myself . I figure everyone should. I say the Doors are good, the world would be worse off without them. I dont think they are great, but I'm glad the song "Love Street " exists, if only for the part at the end where he sort of talks oddly "I wonder what they do in there!"

Mike Hanley, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Who did that really sleazy cover of Light My Fire in the 70's? Was it Jimmy Buffett? I'm serious...

JM, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

obvious and overstated fact reiterated: covers of doors songs far superior to tedious originals

gareth, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Jimmy: Are you thinking of the Jose Feliciano cover?

Andy: Oh yes, Manzarek is one of the few people who still talks about the "The Sixties" as if it was some construct. Bleech.

Dud, on those lyrics alone. So insufferable and indulgent. Just dribble. "The Soft Parade" could be the most unintentionally hilarious song ever.

scott p., Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Shirley Bassey's version of Light My Fire rates pretty highly as does the recent release of Burroughs drily vomiting out Jimbo's prosey, whilst Mr Mojo Risin whoops in the background. Anyone remember "ode to the death of my penis"?

Geoff, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Amii Stewart followed up her 'disco' version of 'Knock on Wood' with a 'disco' version of 'Light My Fire' in (I think) the late 70s/early '80s. 'Sleazy' isn't quite the word for it, tho...

Andrew L, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Nico's "The End" is classic.

scott p., Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Classic. Jimbo didn't decline the approved Dolls way, he decided to turn into a fat, loud, drunken slob and leave a bloated corpse, just like yer dad. Gets the nod over Elvis because drinking yourself to death is even more pedestrian than having 287 simultaneous prescriptions.

tarden, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
Classic. Jimbo was hardly talented as a singer, but he did come up with some great melody lines. They were great songwriters, plain and simple. Also, the Doors are yet more proof that it's almost _always_ better to seek out the original albums. "Strange Days" anyone? And will someone please tell me why I don't hate "Touch Me?" And why, in fact, I really like it? I _should_ hate it with a passion, but for some reason I don't.

Jack Redelfs, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah I know what you mean re: 'Touch Me'. You should hate it and somehow you don't. I think it's the sublime melody. Mind you, if The Doors could have participated in the Eurovision Song Festival of say '68 with that song they would have won by a landslide.

Omar, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
wow

ethan, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
Now then the Doors is it? Hello. Hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello. Hello. Sorry 'bout that. It's just that the Doors are obviously quite good. Hello.

There are very few people in rock who can yell "C'mon" like Jim (hello Maggie M'Gill) - Iggy, Jagger, erm, that's it - and that spirit alone makes them instant classics. It's spine tingling when they hit the buttons right.

I can't listen to them all the time but when you put them on the stereo, OK, you gotta sit through the odd filler, but what about those classics huh? 'The End', 'LA Woman', 'Roadhouse Blues' 'Two Times', I mean if these songs can't excite you, you need to get your heart checked out.

What about 'Riders on the Storm' late at night and loud. Or 'When The Music's Over' driving through the dusk. Fuck's sake, if you like rock, you can't dislike these boys, they ARE rock, just like the Stones. If you can't get into it you need to go out this Friday, get fucked out of your brain on booze, down some mandrax, smoke some weed and hit the dancefloor in full leer, get thrown out and somehow end up in a cab with a bunch of randoms all dropping strong uppers which you stuff down your neck while screaming out the window and arrive at some dive-bar party where anything goes, play pool, smoke all night, dance on tables and laugh like tomorrow ain't coming, before leaving with a beautiful member of the opposite sex, or whatever sex turns you on that night, and get crazy under the stars, waking up with the sun in God know's where and slipping your sunglasses on to catch breakfast and conversation with your companion. Then go and listen to the Doors.

Rock in the soul - The Doors had it to the max. If you have even an ounce yourself - you can't fail to dig this shit. And that's not even taking in the phenomenal musicianship. Jesus fucking Christ, Manzarek is off the head - supreme skills, check the organ solo in 'Hyacinth House' - what?

Absolute fucking rock and roll classic. Hello.

Roger Fascist, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hee, Roger's post reminds of Bruce McCulloch's (of Kids in the Hall) "Doors" song (from 'Shame-Based Man'). Hilarious.

Nevertheless, classic.

dasda, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

What is rock and roll?

Roger Fascist, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry, it's the echo of the imagery (and that same appeal to a certain kind of experience-- i.e. go to a bar, stay up all night, get drunk, play pool ["or pinball, or possibly even foozball"], get into a fight and so on) that made me laugh-- because that song always makes me laugh-- not your (Roger's) post itself. I like how you put it, love the imagery. But what makes the parody so great is that it really hits its target.

[Hey, I romanticize (Sturm und Drang Romantic) the music that I love, music that affects me viscerally, too. So I'm also laughing at myself here.]

dasda, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

you can't dislike these boys, they ARE rock, just like the Stones

What is rock and roll?

Roger, the Stones are NOT rock - as "proven" by dave q and mark s on this thread. Best not to get into your question, tho' or we'll be here all night.

(heh, ignore me I'm just shit- stirring having just read Dr.C's excellent rant on the ABBA thread)

Jeff W, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I tried but I just can't let that go. The Stones are part of what has defined rock. Like I said somwhere else, it's bands like The Doors and the Stones which wrote the rock and roll rulebook ie: how to rock (make storming, visceral, blues based electrolised music) and how to roll (be exciting, and do things which Joe Normal wouldn't).

Rock and Roll for me is the Doors, is the Stones. If it's not them, please tell me who it is because I want to hear them. See, I can take people dissing the Doors and the Stones, that's fine, but to say they don't rock, or to question their rock and roll pedigree is plain silly. Virtually everything percieved to be 'rock and roll' is prevalent and highly potent in the phenomena that was these two bands (the Stones have sucked for over two decades now).

I would go so far as to say The Doors and the Stones are intrinsic to our understanding, reception, reaction to and interpretation of 'rock and roll'. Jagger and Morrison inarguably set the mould for the 'rock star', (though of course, they were indebted to others).

Roger Fascist, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The only thing I'm questioning is why the fuck anyone wants to "rock" in that definition anymore. Or at least only wants to rock that way. You can keep your lovely little term "rock" because to be honest noone's arguing with you because they couldn't give a shit about such a stupid 4 letter word, there are better ways to talk about things.

Ronan, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

You think so? I dunno, I always thought rock was quite a good word. I mean people tend to know what you're talking about when you say 'rock'. Anyway, what's wrong with wanting to 'rock'? And what definition of rock are you aluding to here?

Certainly, I'm not sure that I suggested for one nanosecond that I wanted to rock in one way only. I think what I said was that the Stones and the Doors are rock and roll. Refute me.

Not that I particularly want another argument with you, but I was responding to that chap who said the Stones are not rock. I say they are. You say potato.

Finally, when you define rock as a "stupid 4 letter word," adding "there are better ways to talk about things" I'd like to ask to what ways you are referring.

Roger Fascist, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Haha here we go again, more wackily easy debates with you.

What definition of rock are you alluding to here

Rock and Roll for me is the Doors, is the Stones. If it's not them, please tell me who it is because I want to hear them

This is great because you're so confident other people give a shit about "rock and roll" you actually think someone's going to go "NO NO MY FAVOURITE BAND ROCKS! I SWEAR THEY REALLY DO!". You say "rock and roll for me is the doors, is the stones" as if this automatically means they are good, as if the genre automatically means this, and most laughably as if everyone else here will think that too.

Look around, there aren't many here who wet themselves as much as you over "rock and roll" or the "rock star". Noone cares if you think the Stones and the Doors have an exclusive right to being able to "rock and roll" because noone really values that term anyway.

I'm sure you were responding to someone else, it's just so constantly tempting to take the piss out of your "rockers and ravers uniting" and "for me that's rock and roll" bullshit.

Ronan, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

You are very wide of the mark.

To address: "you're so confident other people give a shit about "rock and roll" you actually think someone's going to go "NO NO MY FAVOURITE BAND ROCKS! I SWEAR THEY REALLY DO!"

No, I'm the one who seems to give a shit - go all gushy and excited stroke vitriolic and then take all the shit. That I am confident people give a shit is not true - I know nothing of these boards or the regulars such as your good self. I am the paranoid new boy who gets ripped up because he gets all enthusiastic, and is considered a 'troll' (though I still have no idea what a troll is because no-one has explained).

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"You say "rock and roll for me is the doors, is the stones" as if this automatically means they are good"

Did I? I thought I defined the Stones and Doors as 'good' as you put it, in relation to my perceptions of rock and roll. I think what I was saying was The Stones and the Doors do 'rock and roll', according to my terms, better than most other bands I can think of. That those terms are rigid is an incorrect assumption on your part.

- "as if the genre automatically means this" means what???

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"Look around, there aren't many here who wet themselves as much as you over "rock and roll" or the "rock star". Noone cares if you think the Stones and the Doors have an exclusive right to being able to "rock and roll" because noone really values that term anyway."

So what? Why do you presume that it matter whether no-one cares? And who said anything about 'exclusive rights'? That no-one really values the term rock and roll is not for you to say Ronan. Perhaps you are right though, and I am appreciating this type of music for all the wrong reasons... What are the right ones?

In closing, may I add that you are a capable sparring partner but assume too much Ronan. That I talk bullshit is certain, but in the terms that you suggest is equally as shit-filled.

Roger Fascist, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I know nothing of these boards or the regulars such as your good self.

I do not buy that for one second. Or even a quarter of a second.

Your story has become tiresome. Not to mention predictable.

awag, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I used to get a bit upset when people said things like if you don't like the Stones you have no rock in your soul - but then I realised I don't, actually, have any rock in my soul and I am totally fine with that. So maybe it's true!

Tom, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"I know nothing of these boards or the regulars such as your good self. I do not buy that for one second. Or even a quarter of a second. Your story has become tiresome. Not to mention predictable."

1: It's true - I found these boards last week. How many times do I need to say it? What kind of a closed forum is this?

2: The story is tiresome because you lot keep necessitating its repetition. Strange that it is so hard to accept.

3: The predicatability I can do nothing about.

Roger Fascist, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ronan I have just realised why Roger F's defenses sound so familiar - they are like when you talk about new Primal Scream stuff! ;)

Tom, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I used to get a bit upset when people said things like if you don't like the Stones you have no rock in your soul - but then I realised I don't, actually, have any rock in my soul and I am totally fine with that. So maybe it's true!

Now I finally understand where all this anti-Rockist sentiment comes from, Mr. Ewing. You're actually incapable of loving Der Rock Und Roll, and YOU'RE JEALOUS OF THE REST OF US!! :)

When you come visit NYC and/or Philly, I promise to teach you The Ways Of Rock. Maura will help, I'm sure.

Dave M., Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No Tom my defences were better, because I used BIG BROTHER!

I still like that new song but I honestly reckon "the ILM Mafia" ahem and their constant Primal Scream hatred will actually lessen my enjoyment of the new album, if I even buy it. It worked with Spiritualized Let It Come Down to the point where I can't tell if (a) I like it as a response to the dislike (b)I dislike it because of the criticism or (c)I dislike it (for my own reasons) but won't admit that to myself because it would be giving in to the criticism.

Ronan, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm sorry but what does having 'soul' mean? I've had this argument with a few MC5 fans and I have to say that thye don't know what they are talking about and nor do you.

the reasons for you liking things are kind of superficial/cliched even...rock is a 'marketing' term designed by record companies to sell recs (oh yes, the m- word again). Genre words can give an idea abt instrumentation used but little else, it is very reductive.

the 'rock' word has gone through a lot since then, a lot of things have happened to that. I'd say the doors had a bit of 'psychedelia' in them too, the sound was kind of strange, for a start rock bands have a bass player and the doors didn't. Saying something is 'rock' (in this case anyway) just won't do.

I was kind of pissed off abt your comments on rock vs. rap thread as well...

Julio Desouza, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Roger: I'm sorry I called you a troll on the other thread. A 'troll' is someone who drops in, makes obnoxiously unintelligent comments and often never returns, or who sticks around trying to stir things up. You are clearly neither unintelligent nor deliberately trying to antagonize (well, apart from Ronan maybe). It wasn't cool, and I apologize.

But the fact is that your routine, as it were, seems to be dredging up old threads about classic bands, spouting some ill-considered and dare I say juvenile rhetoric about how they are awesome, and working down from there. Maybe you should sit back for a few days and read some old threads, as well as archived FT articles to get a handle on the general tone of the discussion before you post another rant. We do tend to get fairly agressive with each other on these boards, but watching you and Ronan go at it has put me off almost as much as the grand old days of Doompatrol (use the search engine if you really want to know).

Dave M., Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

then again, my grand entree to the board was telling Simon Reynolds to fuck off, so what do I know? ignore me, i'm just pretending to be a moderator.

Dave M., Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This is exactly what Anna Rose did - except often she was even more glib and ill-considered - and everyone gave her a free pass! (Which was cool, because she stuck around and we all got used to her and liked her.)

The only thing I think might count as 'trolling' is calling yourself "Roger Fascist".

Tom, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It's a very Marcello-ish name, if you aren't him then I apologize.

awag, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

awag I thought YOU were Marcello! :)

Tom, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ouch.

awag, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ok over the past couple weeks I have made a concerted effort to "get into" the Doors - I dl'd all the studio albums and listened to them in order, re-playing certain things that caught my ear etc. After all that, I dunno if my opinion has really changed all that much. They occasionally hit on great grooves/riffs, and Morrison's louche swagger and goofy humor is intermittently entertaining, primarily when he isn't trying too hard or is trying to be profound. On the whole they come across as a band that were blissfully unaware of their limits and/or did not genuinely know what they were good at. Morrison's poet-schtick is inherently juvenile/childish (putting over an oedipal complex as a deep statement literally so) so it works more when he's having fun with it and running with dumb as fuck rhyme schemes in the service of leering sexuality - I mean how can anybody really take it seriously. Krieger is a great guitarist, I feel like he really carries the band in a lot of cases, and when he fuzz-rocks out he is v good. Manzarek though, ugh, so many circus-organ type parts and just stiff as fuck - for a guy that was purportedly into "jazz" he sure had no idea how to swing. He's better when he's off the organ and on piano, to my ears. Densmore's okay, he sure likes that trick of switching between 4/4 and latin rhythms, but I feel he had kind of a thankless task trying to provide some oomph and backbeat without having a consistent, good partner in the bass department.

The best album: Waiting for the Sun. It just *sounds* the best, and has the most consistent set of songs. It seems like they maybe hampered themselves in the studio by minimizing overdubs (there are a LOT of tracks where it seems like the only additional stuff they added were an extra vocal track or a doubled guitar line), perhaps in an effort to showcase their live musicianship - but Zeppelin these guys are not, they just aren't as good musicians, and they aren't as inventive in the studio. They do come off to me as a precedent for Zep (has Page or Plant ever copped to this?) just in the 4-guys-doing-epic-blues-rock department which they often dabbled in - the long songs with multiple shifts, the focus on clean, clear recordings of the players, obviously the shirtless rock sex poet angle...

Weirdly I did not really discover any deep cuts/stuff I hadn't noticed before that I really liked. Seems like the hits were hits for a reason, and the other album cuts I liked were ones I've always liked (hello Peace Frog)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Good point on the proto-Zep blues rock thing and the focus on live but weak musicianship, I think they really bought into some rockist authenticity that took away from the stuff that really made them weird and unique. I always thought they should have pushed the psychedelic stuff and was disappointed when after the weirdness of The Soft Parade they retreated into 12-bar for the last couple of records. Seems like most of the final albums were written in live jams where Jim was just blasted and making stuff up while they improvised blues rock underneath it. Nothing as melodically mystifying as "Crystal Ship" or sonically mesmerizing as "Strange Days". Maybe it was an conscious effort to get commercial, and hey, maybe it worked. "L.A. Woman" and "Riders on the Storm" both classic rock radio staples for the ages probably paid more in royalties than any of the stranger stuff.

I imagine if The Doors were started today they would be Lovecraft nerds/Steampunks.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:25 (one year ago) Permalink

Soft Parade *is* weird but it doesn't really work (most of the time), whether its the orchestration just parroting the vocal melody, or inserting inappropriate banjo breakdowns. I'm not sure if it's before or after "Forever Changes" but that seems like an obvious reference point, albeit a much better one.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:33 (one year ago) Permalink

Seems like most of the final albums were written in live jams where Jim was just blasted and making stuff up while they improvised blues rock underneath it

this is true although when it works I think it works really well. when it doesn't it's just kind of stiff and odd.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:34 (one year ago) Permalink

Densmore's okay, he sure likes that trick of switching between 4/4 and latin rhythms, but I feel he had kind of a thankless task trying to provide some oomph and backbeat without having a consistent, good partner in the bass department.

Densmore might be my favorite part of the band, I love the way, esp live, he follows Morrison and will accent words & phrases.

Say what you will about them, they always went for it, for better & worse

#mono

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8 x 10 Prints Of Unseen Photos And Replica Memorabilia

Available From Rhino/Bright Midnight Archives On December 9

Before The Doors took the music scene by storm in 1967, they were the house band at the London Fog, a Sunset Strip dive bar located just footsteps away from the world famous Whisky a Go Go, the future home of many of the band’s most legendary performances. The Doors will open a virtual time capsule in December with LONDON FOG 1966, a Collector’s Edition boxed set that features unearthed audio recorded at the club in May 1966. Previously unreleased and not even known to exist until recently, this marks the earliest recordings of the band and finds the quartet mixing blues covers with early versions of Doors originals. LONDON FOG 1966 is the first of many special activities and releases coming to celebrate The Doors’ 50th Anniversary in 2017.

LONDON FOG 1966 will be available as an individually numbered limited edition of 18,000 copies from Rhino/Bright Midnight Archives on December 9.

Presented in a lift-top package designed to look like a vintage storage box, the set features seven songs on both CD and a 10-inch record that’s made to resemble a test pressing. Noted Doors engineer Bruce Botnick recently mastered the audio for this collection.

Along with the unreleased music, the set is packed with memorabilia and historic liner notes to provide a true time capsule of that fabled night at the London Fog, including a poster, the set list handwritten by John Densmore, a program for the Royce Hall UCLA student film screening, plus a London Fog coaster. There are also liner notes included from Sunset Strip legend Ronnie Haran-Mellen, who was the talent booker at the Whisky a Go Go. Haran-Mellen saw The Doors live for the first time at the London Fog and then booked them as the permanent house band at the Whisky, leading to the band’s signing to Elektra and meteoric rise to superstardom.

Also contributing liner notes is Nettie Peña, one of the lucky few to be in attendance at the London Fog for this fabled show. Peña was a pivotal force in this release coming together as she captured the audio on a ¼” reel to reel recorder, which was the property of the Los Angeles Unified School District. Her father was a teacher for LAUSD and let her borrow the recorder to take to the show. Peña also photographed the band that evening and five black and white 8x10 re-prints of these unpublished photos are included in the Collector’s Edition, featuring a fresh-faced Morrison on a cramped stage with John Densmore, Robby Krieger and Ray Manzarek.

The show featured on LONDON FOG 1966 took place the same year that The Doors recorded their eponymous debut. Released in January 1967, the album would become one of the most influential in rock history. Like many of the band’s early concerts, the show captured on this deluxe set reflects the group’s deep love for the blues with covers of standards like Muddy Waters’ “Rock Me” and “I’m Your Hoochie Coochie Man.” The set also includes raw performances of “Baby, Please Don’t Go” (Big Joe Williams), “Don’t Fight It” (Wilson Pickett), and “Lucille” (Little Richard).

During their residency at the London Fog, The Doors frequently worked out new songs on stage that would eventually appear on various studio albums. At this show, the band played two originals. The first, “Strange Days,” would become the title track for the band’s second studio album, which also came out in 1967. This is one of the only known live recordings of this track. The other Doors original, “You Make Me Real,” wasn’t officially released on a studio album until Morrison Hotel in 1970.

“To hear ‘Strange Days,’ that came out on their second album, in almost final shape so early on was truly amazing,” says Jac Holzman, the President of Elektra Records who signed The Doors to their first recording contract.

Going back to the band’s earliest days is a natural starting point for The Doors 50th anniversary celebration. And next year promises to be a busy one for The Doors with more releases and events lined up for 2017.

LONDON FOG 1966
Track Listing

“Rock Me”
“Baby, Please Don’t Go”
“You Make Me Real”
“Don’t Fight It”
“I’m Your Hoochie Coochie Man”
“Strange Days”
“Lucille”

heaven parker (anagram), Thursday, 27 October 2016 14:11 (five months ago) Permalink

I can only imagine the volume of rock re-issues and think pieces slated for 2017.

dinnerboat, Thursday, 27 October 2016 14:28 (five months ago) Permalink

"Rock Me"!

hope this is mono

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 27 October 2016 15:35 (five months ago) Permalink

#Doors50 #HologramJim

tylerw, Thursday, 27 October 2016 15:46 (five months ago) Permalink

#RoboManzarek

tylerw, Thursday, 27 October 2016 15:47 (five months ago) Permalink

Haha, man perspective a weird thing:

May 1966, "earliest known live recording"
July 1971, 6 studio albums later and singer dead from drug od

They had a busy 5 years

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:16 (five months ago) Permalink

Yeah, incredible how much stuff bands packed in over a short space of time back then. That stuff would amount to a 14 year career in modern terms!

pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:22 (five months ago) Permalink

lol crosby used to wear a cape

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:39 (five months ago) Permalink

EMBLAZONED I christen thee new ILX favememe

EMBLAZONED, YOU NEVER HER

dow, Thursday, 27 October 2016 19:05 (five months ago) Permalink

XPOST
Takes one to know one Croz

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 27 October 2016 19:06 (five months ago) Permalink

Yeah, incredible how much stuff bands packed in over a short space of time back then. That stuff would amount to a 14 year career in modern terms!

I was reading Jimi Hendrix's wiki and it's just nuts how much amazing shit he recorded/third eyes he opened in like 2 years. Two years!

brimstead, Thursday, 27 October 2016 22:48 (five months ago) Permalink

Jonesin to watch the Oliver stone doors movie rn

brimstead, Thursday, 27 October 2016 22:49 (five months ago) Permalink

great movie

Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 October 2016 22:49 (five months ago) Permalink

haha, i recently had that urge as well. haven't seen it in ... 20 years?

tylerw, Thursday, 27 October 2016 22:50 (five months ago) Permalink

i watched it twice a few month ago
classic shit

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 27 October 2016 22:52 (five months ago) Permalink

we need a gritty Doors reboot -- Ride The Snake: Morrison Begins ... who is the 2016 version of Val Kilmer

tylerw, Thursday, 27 October 2016 22:53 (five months ago) Permalink

One of the dudes from Everybody Wants Some!! probably.

a full playlist of presidential sex jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 27 October 2016 22:57 (five months ago) Permalink

has there been a doors broadway musical? seems like the time is ripe.

tylerw, Thursday, 27 October 2016 22:59 (five months ago) Permalink

#RoboManzarek

― tylerw, Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:47 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Totally forgot he had died. I was just totally wowed the other day listening to the organ solo on The World's A Mess It's In My Kiss.

how's life, Thursday, 27 October 2016 23:26 (five months ago) Permalink

we need a gritty Doors reboot -- Ride The Snake: Morrison Begins ... who is the 2016 version of Val Kilmer

― tylerw, Thursday, October 27, 2016 5:53 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've said it before and I'll say it again: "True Detective" Season 3 with Kilmer & MacLachlan reprising their roles from "The Doors" set in the early 90s, Morrison is a gun runner in Mexico, Manzarek travels there to get him out of hiding to solve a mysterious series of murders in LA. Spoiler alert: We're all slaves. And John Sebastian is the villain.

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 28 October 2016 15:42 (five months ago) Permalink

omg

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 October 2016 15:48 (five months ago) Permalink

I haven't done a full spec script, but I've mocked up some scenes:

Int. Car, Ray is driving, Jim is the passenger seat with a cigarette and taking pulls from a flask of whiskey

Jim (low growl while looking out the window): People are afraid of themselves, of their own reality; their feelings most of all. People talk about how great love is, but that’s bullshit. Love hurts. Feelings are disturbing. People are taught that pain is evil and dangerous. How can they deal with love if they’re afraid to feel? Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they’re wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It’s all in how you carry it. That’s what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you’re letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain.
Ray (low growl): We’re here Jim
Jim (low growl): Some of the worst mistakes of my life have been haircuts.

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 28 October 2016 15:52 (five months ago) Permalink

lol

if only it was 1978, I feel like you would've been the guy to help me get my Lou Reed/Paul Simon gritty NY buddy cop flick spec script off the ground

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 October 2016 15:56 (five months ago) Permalink

like this idea -- maybe Crosby could play an aging cult leader with ~~~~secrets~~~~~ (and a twitter account)

tylerw, Friday, 28 October 2016 16:00 (five months ago) Permalink

Xpost

Can the plot be they investigate the murder of Brian Eno duing the sessions for "No New York"? In the film's climax Simon grabs James Chance by the lapels and throws up against the wall: "TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW!"

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 28 October 2016 16:00 (five months ago) Permalink

like this idea -- maybe Crosby could play an aging cult leader with ~~~~secrets~~~~~ (and a twitter account)

― tylerw, Friday, October 28, 2016 11:00 AM (eleven seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is already better than both seasons of the actual "True Detective"

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 28 October 2016 16:00 (five months ago) Permalink

can we work the ghost of arthur lee in here somewhere

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 October 2016 16:01 (five months ago) Permalink

This thing basically writes itself

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 28 October 2016 16:02 (five months ago) Permalink

Croz: You're a poser, Jim
Jim: No, it is you who is the poser
Ghost of Arthur Lee: You're booooooth pooooooosers

tylerw, Friday, 28 October 2016 16:03 (five months ago) Permalink

Ext.Desert. David Crosby stands in the middle of huge salt flat, blood pouring from his nose, it is clear he's been beaten up. Morrison stands about 20 feet away aiming a pistol at Crosby

Crosby [low grow]: You don't get Morrison! You were always a poser! You don't understand peace and love man! I'm friends with Joni man, real artists, you were just in some sleazy cocktail band! Those girls love me man! I'm a prophet man!

Morrison [low grow]: David...the music is...over[fires a round directly in Crosby's head, his body crumples. Graham Nash runs in from off-screen shouting]

Nash: You didn't have to do it! You didn't have to do it!

Morrison [turning to Manzarek, in a low-growl: C'mon...let's get a burger.

END

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 28 October 2016 16:08 (five months ago) Permalink

tacos... Morrison would get tacos

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 October 2016 16:18 (five months ago) Permalink

We'll fix it in post

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 28 October 2016 16:27 (five months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

i love this band

marcos, Monday, 13 March 2017 15:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

it has been so fun to get back in to the doors man

marcos, Monday, 13 March 2017 15:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

sparking a little doors revival too. two nights hanging out in the past few weeks i have said "hey let's put on the doors" and everything loves it

marcos, Monday, 13 March 2017 15:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

*everyone

marcos, Monday, 13 March 2017 15:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

this is a stunning fan video and it drew in everyone in the room the other night

marcos, Monday, 13 March 2017 15:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the doors are so great

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 March 2017 15:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

also reposting this but at the end of the day my alex jones/doors mashup is the only thing of real quality i've done in my whole life

https://soundcloud.com/matthew-lee-helgeson/mojowars-feat-al3x-j0n3s-the-d00rs

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 March 2017 15:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

haha that is great

marcos, Monday, 13 March 2017 15:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

deeganegadoaboutanowahago

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 March 2017 15:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

If you don't like the Doors you don't having sex or living life

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 13 March 2017 15:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

deeganegadoaboutanowahago

― Οὖτις, Monday, March 13, 2017 11:54 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

marcos, Monday, 13 March 2017 16:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

dang this is pretty awesome.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 13 March 2017 21:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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