The Grateful Dead May 1977 Poll

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5/8 Cornell 4
another May 77 show 3
5/7 Boston 2
5/9 Buffalo 2
5/5 New Haven (please explain) 0


Wimmels, Monday, 24 April 2017 13:36 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm listening to Scarlet on the Cornell show (for the first time) and Keith's piano is quite good.

calstars, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:48 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Buffalo imo

People like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:50 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I think Cornell is still my fave, but Buffalo is pretty close too -- going to have to revisit all of these, I guess.
I also am a big fan of May 19, which was released as Dick's Picks -- tons of great stuff there.

tylerw, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:17 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I wasn't able to get into it earlier, but I'm gonna give Cornell another shot.

And looking at the setlists, did they really not play "Truckin'" at the Buffalo show? Because that's kind of a hilarious dick move.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:28 (four weeks ago) Permalink

try the audience tape of cornell, it is probably my preferred version.
i think they only played "tennessee jed" once in tennessee so maybe they were wary of that kinda thing.

tylerw, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:38 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Didn't stop them from playing "One More Saturday Night" on many a Saturday night!

Wimmels, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:51 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I don't know all of these, so I'm not voting, but Cornell does not contain either "Sugaree" or "Help on the Way," and those are two of my favorite pieces of Dead music, so I'm putting on Dick's Picks 3 now. (5/22 Pembroke Pines, FL.)

I don't really like any of these albums (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:53 (four weeks ago) Permalink

yeah the 77 sugarees are so nice

tylerw, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:54 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Dan -- Buffalo opens with an outstanding Help > Slip > Franklin, you'd love it if you're a Help guy (I am too)

Wimmels, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 14:57 (four weeks ago) Permalink

lol wimmels you took the words right out of my mouth re: saturday night. gotta go with boston here, despite the rampant tech difficulties. it's pretty much a dream second set for 77. I'd take Eyes Of The World > Drums > The Wheel > Wharf Rat > Around and Around over the Cornell St. Stephen medley any day. plus with boston you also get Terrapin, Cassidy, and a slow Friend of the Devil.

J. Sam, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 15:07 (four weeks ago) Permalink

And looking at the setlists, did they really not play "Truckin'" at the Buffalo show? Because that's kind of a hilarious dick move.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, April 25, 2017 10:28 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

to be fair there are a lot of cities mentioned in Truckin

flappy bird, Thursday, 27 April 2017 00:23 (three weeks ago) Permalink

5/22/77 for me

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 27 April 2017 01:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i'm really spotty on my '77 dead, couldn't vote.

but. the copy on the link you posted is fucking golden:

WHAT DEAD HEADS HAVE BEEN SAYING ABOUT...

NEW HAVEN 5/5/77
"Here is a prime example of the saying ‘the whole is greater than the sum of the parts’ … It’s called synergy and the Dead wrote the book on it.”

BOSTON 5/7/77
“The music they laid down brought me places I had not been before.”

CORNELL 5/8/77
“...the single best rock performance anywhere, anytime, by anyone.”

“There was just some kind of magical connection this night between the band members and the band and the audience - some texture, or some type of cosmic or celestial force is in the room.”

"This show is, was, and always will be Mecca.”

BUFFALO 5/9/77
"...an awesome display of the Dead’s captivating power"

budo jeru, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 02:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i also love how they call the sound clips "listening parties" lol

budo jeru, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 02:53 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 4 May 2017 00:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

77 box shipped today!

People like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 4 May 2017 00:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 5 May 2017 00:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

voted cornell, but really just because that was the one i had listened to most recently. the "official" version might not be revelatory, but it does sound damn good, some new layers/textures revealed in there for me.

tylerw, Friday, 5 May 2017 15:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i've been into matrix recordings lately, the crowd sounds add a lot for me. also extra cool to listen to during wall of sound era

global tetrahedron, Friday, 5 May 2017 15:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Well, I'll be damned. I bought the OFFICIAL Cornell dealie in the hopes that it'd turn my head around on it. And it does, and I'm digging it...and I'm realizing that the "Cornell '77" recording I heard before wasn't even this show. No idea what show it was, but "They Love Each Other" was a completely different tempo, and the set included "Truckin'."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 7 May 2017 20:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Were they still doing Truckin in 77? (probably)

Inspired by this thread, have been digging through my (legit) Dead 77 holdings. Starting w/ the Winterland 77 bonus disc from 12/5/1977 Chicago with a v sweet Mississippi Half-Step, Garcia sounding exquisite on two longish solos.

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Sunday, 7 May 2017 20:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

don't think i'd ever say that Cornell is THE BEST SHOW EVER but I will say after recent listens that the "Row Jimmy" on it is all time best. Garcia's solo is just pure beauty there.

tylerw, Monday, 8 May 2017 14:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

got the box this weekend. haven't had the chance to listen but WOW what a presentation.

People like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 8 May 2017 15:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah, getting the box wasn't in the budget, but i was very jealous seeing it show up on my social feeds this weekend. looks beautiful.

tylerw, Monday, 8 May 2017 15:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The recording I had (but deleted, because I needed the hard drive space) I swore had "Truckin'," "Franklin's Tower," and "They Love Each Other." But apparently, they didn't play all three at any show in '77.

Hm, OK, I think the "Cornell" show I had was actually 12/19/78 in Jackson, MS. Not awful (from the clips I just listened to in order to confirm what I remembered), but certainly not in the vicinity of Cornell's reputation.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 8 May 2017 15:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

otm on that 'row jimmy', it's gorgeous

global tetrahedron, Monday, 8 May 2017 15:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

on the cornell audience tape you can hear a dude desperately calling out for truckin -- "AMERICA'S FAVORITE SONG!! TRUCKIN'!!!" but they do not heed his request.

tylerw, Monday, 8 May 2017 15:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lmao

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 8 May 2017 16:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

hahaha

I like that the audience member thought, "You know, just yelling 'Truckin'!' doesn't get the point across. I need something to buttress my argument..."

"Bob, did you hear that?"
"What, Jer?"
"Someone called out for 'Truckin'.'"
"Yeah, dude, that happens every four seconds. I hear it in my sleep."
"But hold on, apparently...and stay with me on this...it's America's favorite song!"
"...the country, or the band?"
"What difference does it make? How can we turn down such a well-reasoned case?"
"Good point, Jer. Let's do it."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 8 May 2017 16:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

so this is sourced from the betty boards? it sounds pretty different compared to the SBD (i thought) I had. it's up on spotify! if the fidelity is that much different for all the shows i sorta wished i'd sprung for it

global tetrahedron, Monday, 8 May 2017 18:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It is a Betty, yes. There's something different for sure. These sound matrix-y. Someone who knows more about this than I do might be able to expand on this from a technical standpoint, but I hear the crowd in a way I didn't on previous SBDs. Really, these are some of the best *sounding* Dead shows I've ever heard.

New Haven is better than its reputation would have you believe btw

Wimmels, Monday, 8 May 2017 18:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i'm guessing they just had a better technician handling the mixing/mastering than whoever originally circulated the tapes

global tetrahedron, Monday, 8 May 2017 18:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah it does sound good -- i was wondering if they incorporated some elements of the audience recording in there, since yeah, you can hear more going on there. Keith's keys sound better/more prominent in places too.

tylerw, Monday, 8 May 2017 18:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the screaming guy in jack straw sounds about the same though

global tetrahedron, Monday, 8 May 2017 18:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i had never listened to this show before and i don't know if it approaches pembroke pines, which was my dead gateway, but damn, "scarlet > fire" is kicking my ass

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 8 May 2017 19:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"this show" meaning cornell

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 8 May 2017 19:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

it's a good one for sure (love jerry's first solo) but it misses some of the weird kind of funky rhythmic interplay between bob and jerry in the intro

love how they included the 'take a step back...' bit specifically as part of the track on here ha

global tetrahedron, Monday, 8 May 2017 19:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

very heavy on the phil, and i can tell a lot of people are way into that

global tetrahedron, Monday, 8 May 2017 19:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

5/5 New Haven (please explain)

Listening to it this afternoon. St. Stephen on this is great, goes from gentle Jerry/Donna vocals that are really *on* into a fiery jam. In fact, whole second set is fire.

I don't really like any of these albums (Dan Peterson), Monday, 8 May 2017 20:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I actually agree. Made that mildly snarky comment in the poll before re-listening to this new version. Second set is indeed excellent (but still doesn't touch the other 3 shows of that week). First set is about average, but I need another average first set of Dead music like a need a hole in my water bong

Wimmels, Monday, 8 May 2017 21:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

holy fuck the Sugaree at New Haven is OUTSTANDING.

People like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 17:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah, that one is so good.
is 77 when they reintroduced Good Lovin to the live set? With Weir leading the way that song is super skippable.

tylerw, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 18:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

if you like that one you might like saint paul 5/11 or 10/16 louisana state, both get kind of fierce

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 19:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xp

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 9 May 2017 19:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The one and only time I saw Dark Star orchestra they did the St. Paul '77 setlist. That was a good show.

I don't really like any of these albums (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 19:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I listened to New Haven in the car today and then when I got into the office (laptop & headphones instead of CD player) I listened to Baton Rouge 9/1/69, whose sound quality is complete garbage but whose set/performance is just a completely diff. world. not sure if the keys are Pig or Tom Constanten (likely the latter) but they're just so good and lively. the distance from '69 to '77 is just so so great

People like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 19:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Blasphemy, I know, but these days I prefer even 90s Dead to 60s Dead. Pig bums me out and TC is a snore

Wimmels, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 00:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

not trying to harsh on my dead lovin online buds

and I am a mild fan, and have spent dozens of hours trying to get"there" - live dead, Europe 72, old renaissance fairgrounds, the studio albums etc

listening to Cornell and right now Scarlett Begonias is really great, but how do you guys deal with stuff like Dancing in the Street (not the middle jam which is ok) but just desecrating the absolute genius and economy of that original into this tepid hippie shuffle then esp at the end when they "break it down" and it's "dan....cin dancing in the streets EVERYBODY"

it's just so mortifying I feel embarrassed fur everyone listening to it and like we clown dudes like Bonnamassa but this is ok?

again on the whole I'm enjoying this and not trying to fight

I got da Midas touch as you fucking were LG x (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 13:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

btw on fire on the mountain and I'm assuming this is why this show was a big deal? pretty cosmik

I got da Midas touch as you fucking were LG x (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 13:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

also small thing but someone should have thrown that Auto wah (envelope filter?) pedal in the trash

I got da Midas touch as you fucking were LG x (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 13:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

no wonder Treehouse banned you.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

it's just so mortifying I feel embarrassed fur everyone listening to it and like we clown dudes like Bonnamassa but this is ok?
haha, i was listening to the cornell dancing this week and thinking simultaneously "goddamn this is dumb" and "goddamn this is great."

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

no wonder Treehouse banned you.

― by the light of the burning Citroën, Wednesday, May 10, 2017 9:03 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol do we know each other irl?

I got da Midas touch as you fucking were LG x (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i think i heard them referred to as 'this ridiculous band that i can't stop listening to' at one point and that about sums it up. once you get further in, the added context gained makes it sort of addicting to keep digging in no matter how lame it can get. so unless you want to find yourself looking up rankings of different 'take a step backs' on headyversion dot com i'd almost advise not dipping in any further

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, their post-hiatus versions of Dancing are so cringey, though the jams sometimes go to special places. For anyone underwhelmed by Cornell, I strongly recommend the Red Rocks 7/8/78 show that was released last year. It has a similar sanitized coked-up late-70s Dead sheen, but a bit rougher around the edges. It's a total party, with a superior setlist imo. Also Dick's Picks 33, a double-header from 1976, should not be slept on.

J. Sam, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xpost - citroen

if you have any legit problem with me please ILX webmail me, that incident was part of many others and not really a joke given his history of attacking people irl and threatening women including getting in my wife's face when we had our 2 yr old with us

I got da Midas touch as you fucking were LG x (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xpost - do you guys like old renaissance fairgrounds? that's more early 70s and i really liked that one alot, i think i chose it off a site because it was well regarded?

the early 70s the instrument tones are a lot better....though since those posts i've gotten almost through the scarlett begonias > fire on the mountain > estimated prophet which i'm assuming is probably why this set has such cache

I got da Midas touch as you fucking were LG x (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xp

sorry, joking off the Minnesotans thread, well aware of the issues there. (think we've met in the past, and I've seen you play)

by the light of the burning Citroën, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

'morning dew' is really good from cornell and i don't even generally like their version

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

>xpost - do you guys like old renaissance fairgrounds?

Oh hell yeah, it's as close as they ever got to the platonic ideal of a Grateful Dead concert and is widely regarded as such. While there are a couple of shows from 72 and 73 that I might prefer personally (4/7 and 4/8/72 and 8/1/73 come to mind), 8/27/72 is truly definitive, and it would be if it only consisted of "Bird Song" and "Dark Star">"El Paso". And the fact that it was captured on film is miraculous.

J. Sam, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

and it would be if it only consisted of "Bird Song" and "Dark Star">"El Paso"

OK, maybe this is hyperbole. It's just a great show!

J. Sam, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

8/27/72 veneta is probably my candidate for best show of all time -- think it's got everything that's good about the Dead in there, except pigpen (and I'm usually a little lukewarm with him). and the movie is great too. it's what I'd give to anyone wanting to get into the Dead i think.
i like that late 70s autowah/envelope filter haha. wah wah wah wah wah

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

also small thing but someone should have thrown that Auto wah (envelope filter?) pedal in the trash

this is crazy, Jerry w/ Mu-tron is one of the best sounds in music

Wimmels, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

8/27/72 veneta is probably my candidate for best show of all time -- think it's got everything that's good about the Dead in there, except pigpen (and I'm usually a little lukewarm with him). and the movie is great too. it's what I'd give to anyone wanting to get into the Dead i think.

otm, major gateway for a lot of people. Turned my gf from "dead hater" to "dead neutral"

Wimmels, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:45 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"playing in the band" from veneta is infinitely deep

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Not a huge fan of the 77 Dancing in the Streets - def prefer the version on Dick's Picks 8 from 1970 (overall, one of the greatest Dead shows) - but I think there's still something admirable about them covering it - an openness to all kinds of American music, a refusal to acknowledge boundaries and distinctions between rock and pop and soul and country. And yeah, I kinda love that funky Auto Wah sound in the right place and time.

Am definitely one of those ppl who think it can't be a definitive Dead Set w/out a Dark Star, which is one of the reasons why Veneta scores so highly, but I'm also very partial to the last London Lyceum show on 5/26/72, and that doesn't have a Dark Star, tho it does feature the Truckin' and Morning Dew (one to rival the Cornell version) from Europe 72, minus the post-production sweetening. Don't think you can go too far wrong with ANY '72 show tbh, definitely their peak year.

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xp

sorry, joking off the Minnesotans thread, well aware of the issues there. (think we've met in the past, and I've seen you play)

― by the light of the burning Citroën, Wednesday, May 10, 2017 9:19 AM (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cool no worries :)

I got da Midas touch as you fucking were LG x (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

upper miss you do have to open yourself up to that mu-tron. I'm w/you largely on "dancin'" - waiting for the vocals to stop and the jam to begin on that tune is the longest wait in any post-pigpen Dead show -- but then sometimes it does open into some v cosmic jamming

OTOH while you love the original song it is not even a top 30 motown tune for me so I'm not so bothered by how tepid the presentation of the lyric is in the Dead's read, the words are just there to get to the break

People like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"listening to Cornell and right now Scarlett Begonias is really great, but how do you guys deal with stuff like Dancing in the Street (not the middle jam which is ok) but just desecrating the absolute genius and economy of that original into this tepid hippie shuffle then esp at the end when they "break it down" and it's "dan....cin dancing in the streets EVERYBODY" "

the way i look at the dead, and hopefully this isn't too weird a metaphor, is kind of the way i look at old "doctor who". in that a lot of the time it's just super cheesy and awful and there's no real point in defending it. the dead are about the last band you can say something like "well, even at their worst they're still better than 90% of all the other bands". if you're gonna listen to the dead you kind of have to acknowledge that they're a rubber-monster band and like them either despite that or, possibly, because of that.

when it comes to the dead, i'm a "despite that" guy. i'm never going to develop genuine affection for bob's horrible fashion sense, am always going to skip the tuning tracks. honestly my dead listening is pretty much all '70 and '72 right now and i have no particular desire to "branch out".

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

last 2 posts are great

the way i look at the dead, and hopefully this isn't too weird a metaphor, is kind of the way i look at old "doctor who". in that a lot of the time it's just super cheesy and awful and there's no real point in defending it. the dead are about the last band you can say something like "well, even at their worst they're still better than 90% of all the other bands". if you're gonna listen to the dead you kind of have to acknowledge that they're a rubber-monster band and like them either despite that or, possibly, because of that.

rubber monster band is great

I got da Midas touch as you fucking were LG x (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

but how do you guys deal with stuff like Dancing in the Street (not the middle jam which is ok) but just desecrating the absolute genius and economy of that original into this tepid hippie shuffle then esp at the end when they "break it down" and it's "dan....cin dancing in the streets EVERYBODY"

On my first listen, I thought, no way can they pull this off. And in a way, they don't even try -- the original was (not intended as such, but taken up as) a call to revolution. This is a call to, like, lazily twirl around or something. But it's not trying to be anything else, and it works.

Come to think of it, has anyone done a not-awful cover of "Dancing In The Street"? Hell, even the Who's covers of it are awful.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

if i had the digital knowhow i'd try to do a mashup of the bowie/jagger version and the dead

I got da Midas touch as you fucking were LG x (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

from a historical context, i like hearing 60s icons grapple with mid/late 70s moves and grooves -- you've got Dylan going in weird baroque directions with Budokan band, Lou Reed trying to reconcile punk and springsteen (and lenny bruce?), the Dead doing kozmik disco etc. it's not always successful, but it's always interesting (to me anyway).

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, the shocking part was how solid the groove on Dancing is. Jerry really shines in that setting.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:26 (two weeks ago) Permalink

(off topic, but tylerw, you once hipped me to some '75 or '76 Dead thing that was all-instrumental and someone fusiony that was pretty mindblowing. I forgot what it is, though...does it ring a bell?)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

was it the 1975 SNACK benefit show?
https://archive.org/details/gd1975-03-23.sbd.miller.110126.flac16

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, the shocking part was how solid the groove on Dancing is. Jerry really shines in that setting.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:26 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this is how i feel about the '77 dancing. the groove is so solid and the breakdowns are so rich

albeit i don't have much of an ability to recognize "cringeworthy" things anymore

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yes! That's the one! Thanks!

xp

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 15:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

holy fucking shit the buffalo show is incredible

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 12 May 2017 02:37 (one week ago) Permalink

Come to think of it, has anyone done a not-awful cover of "Dancing In The Street"? Hell, even the Who's covers of it are awful.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)

mamas and the papas, monterey '67.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 12 May 2017 03:33 (one week ago) Permalink

according to a dude on fb, the Cornell show never happened. Pretty air-tight, if you ask me:

I understand why most people think that 5/8/77 was real as can be. It's widely considered to be the holy grail of GD shows. And if it was an actual, real show, it would be just that. But the fact is, that it was a HOAX perpetrated through a joint effort of the US Department of Defense and the CIA. And this is nothing new. My uncle served in �Nam with one of the guys that were actually *in* the CIA experiment. Hell, if you don't believe me, it's even on the archive!There's been a lot of talk lately about the legendary fake show on 5/8/77. I've kept my silence on the subject for 22 years ... now it's finally time to come clean on the whole subject.The whole idea began back in late 1969/early 1970. The Department of Defense and the CIA were very disappointed by the way the Vietnam War was progressing. Not only were we losing but, more importantly, the US public did not approve of the war and, worse yet, weren't believing everything the military said about what was happening. This was an unprecedented event. Every other recent war was viewed positively by the public ... or at least with apathy in the case of Korea. Something had to be done. They decided to take a page from the Soviets and experiment with mind control. Together with Disney and a fledgling computer company called Microsoft, they set out to prove that brainwashing could really work on the very people who opposedthem: the hippies.It isn't widely known but Cornell was actually the second test of these mind control procedures. The first occurred in mid-1975 and was a dismal failure. 2 major mistakes were made. First, they picked the one time that the Dead were not touring. This created all sorts of problems with the subject audience. The more serious mistake was in not updating the criteria of the experiment. Due to typical government inefficiency, they used the 1969 version of the Dead that was playing when the program was conceived. The sudden appearance of Pigpen, who had died 2 years earlier, literally blew the minds of those in attendance. 6 months were spent erasing all traces of the "show" and carefully rebuilding as much of their minds as possible. Thesubjects were eventually released and most of them became evangelists, their only lingering memory of the whole experiment being an unshakeable belief that they'd witnessed a true miracle.Unfortunately, no tapes have been found from this first experiment. That's a real shame because the version of Dark Star-> St Stephen-> Eleven-> Lovelight used was supposedly the best ever. After a few drinks, the original scientists still speak in awe about the music heard that day.By Nov 1977, everyone was ready for the second test. This time, they learned from their mistakes. A small group of college students were hired to attend shows from 1976 through 1977. Our job was to collect tapes of the Dead's performances, select which tunes to use, and tohelp identify subjects for the upcoming experiment. The location and date were chosen with equal care. It was a off-day during the tour and the location close enough to the real concerts to be believed. Of moreimportance was the late snowfall that day. That unusual and easily confirmed event provided the glue that would hold the implanted memories together. Even now 22 years later, people "remembering" that concert use almost identical words to describe leaving the show.Overall, the experiment was a great success. Of course, some people were given slightly different memories. Some, like Teddy Goodbear, "remember" taping the show and were even provided "Audience" tapes to further cement the hoax. Still others remember getting "horribly smashed" up front. None of this actually occurred.A week after the "concert" experiment, a 2nd test was done on the town of Cornell itself. In order to perfect this hoax, the town itself must also be convinced that the concert took place. Disney had acquired owner- ship of all the local TV and radio stations through dummy corporations. Using special chips developed by Microsoft, they played sublimbminal messages to every man, woman and child in a 100 mile radius of Barton Hall. For the most part, this programming still holds today although some people did prove resistant to the message.As far as the source of the music, for the most part the list posted by "brew ziggins" is correct. The only mystery remaining is the Scarlet-> Fire. That was actually performed by the Dead specifically for this experiment. Since Jerry worked for the CIA, it was easy to convince him and the rest of the band to go along. Plus he liked the idea of "pranking" a large group of people like this. The fabled 2/6/77 "take a step back" rehearsal tape is also from material taped for these experiments.The soundboard tapes in circulation were leaked by Betty O'Connell whoedited the original tapes. I don't know if it was just a coincidence or not, but they were leaked at about the same time as the tapes recorded by Betty Cantor were found. In any event, they became part of the so-called "Betty Boards". Leaking these tapes also provided the first cracks in the hoax to appear since the tapes were distributed to people who were not in the experiment and who knew that no show was performed that day. It was necessary to obtain their silence through blackmail, bribery and in extreme cases, mind control itself. That's also how this "show" came to be listed in all the popular Dead show guides like DeadBase.So what's happened to these mind control techniques used in this experiment? Microsoft has used this power to become one of the biggest, most influential companies in history. They sure didn't become that big by providing quality products. It was used to shape public reaction to the Gulf War. It's also clear that George Bush never understood the full power of these methods. . There are also indications that this technology might explain the otherwise unbelievable popularity of rap music.That's the whole story."BARTON HALL, ITHACA, NY 5/8/77 -- The Show That Never Happened"Track listing Actual Source------------ ---------------1.Minglewood Blues [4:47] Winterland 3/20/772.Loser [7:30] Springfield 4/23/773.El Paso [4:22] Chicago 5/13/774.They Love Each Other [6:59] Lakeland 5/21/775.Jack Straw [6:00] Tempe 10/6/776.Deal [5:43] St. Paul 5/11/777.Lazy Lightnin' [3:29] > St. Louis 5/15/778.Supplication [4:21] "9.Brown-Eyed Women [5:12] Winterland 6/8/7710.Mama Tried [2:37] Seattle 9/29/7711.Row Jimmy [10:52] Fox, Atlanta 5/19/7712.Dancin' in the Streets [15:43] Pembroke Pines 5/22/77 (DP3)Set II:13.Scarlet Begonias [9:14] > ???14.Fire on the Mountain [15:21] ???15.Estimated Prophet [8:32] Passaic NJ 4/27/7716.St. Stephen [4:43] > Mostly Passaic NJ 6/18/7617.Not Fade Away [16:22] > with some tricky splicing of the18.St. Stephen [1:53] > middle of an unidentified NFA19.Morning Dew [13:36] Cow Palace 12/31/76Encore:20.One More Saturday Night [4:54] Springfield 4/23/77

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 13:44 (one week ago) Permalink

Since Jerry worked for the CIA,

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 13:49 (one week ago) Permalink

This is covered a bit in the (just ok) new book about Cornell '77

Wimmels, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 14:56 (one week ago) Permalink


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