Run Laughing Through Your Fingers: Best Cream Song

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I’ve been listening to a Cream best-of in the car all week. I’ve loved them since I bought Heavy Cream as a teenager, one of the five or six albums that make up the foundation of the 40-year record collection I’ve assembled.

They’re a little like the Jefferson Airplane in that for that most people, even those in their 50s like me, they’re known almost wholly for two brilliant but overplayed singles; I bet half the people my age couldn’t name a third Cream or Jefferson Airplane song. (That may even be true of the Byrds, come to think of it, but “Eight Miles High” is somewhat of an FM staple.)

I know there wouldn’t be enough for interest for a full poll, and their discography isn’t large enough anyway. The 50-song limit was enough for every studio version they ever recorded--the original four albums, plus extras that turned up later and a couple of stray singles. I didn’t bother with live versions.

My favourite songs by them just don’t sound like anybody else to me. I don’t like them when they’re slow and bluesy--“Spoonful” and “Politician” and “Sitting on Top of the World” have always bored me. When they’re loud and sloppy and bluesy, at least once I think they’re great: “Rollin’ and Tumblin’ (heard Hambone Willie Newbern’s 1929 original for the first time ever last week, and that’s great too). But mostly I love them when they’re morose and gothic and cryptic: "Deserted Cities of the Heart,” “Tales of Brave Ulysses,” the two overplayed singles, dull surprises and black curtains and ocarina sounds. (I don’t think I’ve ever read a word on what “White Room” is actually about--I assume it’s a junkie’s lament, as perfect in its way as “Heroin” or “Waiting for the Man,” but I don’t know.)

Not to mention “Passing the Time” and the bridge on “Badge,” both incredibly beautiful, or “Anyone for Tennis,” which as nonsense hippie gnome-music goes, is as pop-perfect as “Itchycoo Park.” I think I’d put them fifth among my favourite ‘60s bands: Beatles, Who, Jefferson Airplane, Byrds, then Cream.

(Sure hope this hasn’t been done already. Come back, search.)

Poll Results

OptionVotes
"Badge" 16
"Tales of Brave Ulysses" 7
"Deserted Cities of the Heart" 4
"Sunshine of Your Love" 3
"White Room" 3
"Strange Brew" 2
"We're Going Wrong" 1
"Outside Woman Blues" 1
"SWLABR" 1
"As You Said" 1
"Politician" 1
"What a Bringdown" 1
"Dance the Night Away" 1
"N.S.U." 1
"World of Pain" 0
"Crossroads" 0
"Traintime" 0
"Dreaming" 0
"Doing That Scrapyard Thing" 0
"Sleepy Time Time" 0
"Anyone for Tennis" 0
"Wrapping Paper" 0
"The Coffee Song" 0
"Lawdy Mama" 0
"Hey Now, Princess" 0
"Weird of Hermiston" 0
"The Clearout" 0
"Sweet Wine" 0
"Born Under a Bad Sign" 0
"Those Were the Days" 0
"Blue Condition" 0
"Cat's Squirrel" 0
"Toad" 0
"I'm So Glad" 0
"Rollin' and Tumblin'" 0
"Take It Back" 0
"Mother's Lament" 0
"Four Until Late" 0
"Sitting on Top of the World" 0
"Passing the Time" 0
"Pressed Rat and Warthog" 0
"Spoonful" 0
"Steppin’ Out" 0


clemenza, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:15 (seven years ago) link

voted "as you said"

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:17 (seven years ago) link

I like "Badge", I've never bothered with this band though. I had an album of theirs which I don't remember even playing. Jack Bruce was a very talented guy. I met Pete Brown once. That's all.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:19 (seven years ago) link

Badge

J. Sam, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:20 (seven years ago) link

Badge

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:20 (seven years ago) link

I've never gone through the songs and tallied who sang which and who wrote what, but my sense is that what I love about them has more to do with Bruce and Baker than with Clapton.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:22 (seven years ago) link

30 years ago i probably would have been all 'the longest live version of crossroads, maaan'

now it's badge

mookieproof, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:22 (seven years ago) link

I remember Holger Czukay saying in an interview once that he was really liked Jack Bruce's playing in Cream, and he tried to do something similar in Can, in the sense of using the bass to change the direction of the music. That's something else I know about Cream.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:23 (seven years ago) link

I won't vote for "Badge," but I do love it. Maybe it's more famous than I thought--is there a well-known sideman in there or something?

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:23 (seven years ago) link

"Badge" or "Tales of Brave Ulysses". I didn't know so many people agreed with me on the former. "Sunshine" is a pretty classic guitar-lesson tune, though.
xps!

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:24 (seven years ago) link

you could say that xp

mookieproof, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:24 (seven years ago) link

Didn't George Harrison write it?

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:24 (seven years ago) link

My sister had a 7" of "Badge" w/ "What a Bringdown" on the b-side. That's how I know both songs so well.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:27 (seven years ago) link

Was hoping I could find The Sopranos and "I Feel Free" on YouTube, but they stuck some other song in there. This is stupid-great, though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVcIer_4OnA

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:27 (seven years ago) link

I saw the thread title and immediately thought 'Badge' ... the bit where it kicks into the second section with the arpeggiated riff is all time for me.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:30 (seven years ago) link

(Although I like 'Passing The Time' far more than I'm sure most do)

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:31 (seven years ago) link

just gave "weird of hermiston" a listen and i like that too. pete brown can fuck right off, though. i'm okay with mike taylor. i think.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:32 (seven years ago) link

I did a 100-favorite list once that had "Passing the Time" pretty high--for me, one of the most beautiful rock songs ever (the interlude, that is--the drony half of the song that brackets it makes for a great contrast). On a different 100-favorite, an earlier one for a college radio show, I included "I'm So Glad"

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:35 (seven years ago) link

This looks like a good 1969 documentary on Jack Bruce, I must admit I was mostly interested in seeing him wandering about Glasgow and going to a Rangers v. Celtic game(!)

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:38 (seven years ago) link

Wow, never heard of it--thanks, downloading it now.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:42 (seven years ago) link

Oh and I've just discovered this amazing looking concert film, which must be from 1969 or 1970, which I've just noticed had Jack Bruce playing with Roland Kirk and Buddy Guy! Oh look, there's Stephen Stills too.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:44 (seven years ago) link

Roland Kirk jamming with Colosseum and Clapton.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:45 (seven years ago) link

Maybe "Dance the Night Away" but I've never heard the Goodbye album except for "Badge."

timellison, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:47 (seven years ago) link

Cream was my favorite classic rock band for a long while. I taped one of their greatest hits that I borrowed from my dad on the b-side of the same Maxell I had dubbed Nevermind on, back in 91. I look forward to revisiting all this before voting, but off the top of my head, Tales of Brave Ulysses.

how's life, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:56 (seven years ago) link

I did a 100-favorite list once

would peruse

mookieproof, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:00 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, what I love about 'Passing The Time' is the beautiful vocal melody and shifting time signatures in the verses and how they contrast with the noisier choruses.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:00 (seven years ago) link

Either "Badge," "I Feel Free" or one of the more psychedelic ones off Disraeli Gears ("Brave Ulysses," "Sunshine," "Dance The Night Away")

ridiculous perm ban decision (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:04 (seven years ago) link

(xpost)

2006 version;2011 version. Cream's on both lists.

(Did earlier versions in the late '80s and early '90s, but they only exist in defunct fanzines and in the ether--don't think Cream was on either one of those.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:08 (seven years ago) link

I don't know about a third of the songs on the list--will have to give "Dance the Night Away" a listen.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:13 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=869v2Z8FLYE

timellison, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:42 (seven years ago) link

Badge also

But a lot of their blues stuff - Politician, Sitting on Top, Bad Sign - still sounds so good too. Such a thick, creamy sound.

calstars, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:46 (seven years ago) link

The Airplane comparison up top is apt for me, because my dad had Surrealistic Pillow and Disraeli Gears but both were sort of outliers in his record collection -- he was mostly a Dylan/Beatles/Stones guy, with much more of a folk-rock than psych-blues bent. But he liked Cream. He gave me Wheels of Fire for Christmas one year, and I wore it out pretty well. I agree they were more fun when they were weird, voted Brave Ulysses.

On a side note, I lucked into a free ticket to one of their reunion shows at MSG a while back, and they were really good. I'd seen Clapton a few times before, but he really played his ass off at that show -- like these were guys he still needed to prove something to.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:58 (seven years ago) link

Was "I Feel Free" left off the poll unintentionally?

ernestp, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 03:15 (seven years ago) link

Dammit, second poll in a row I've screwed up. I kept reminding myself to include "Wrapping Paper," their first single, but forgot that "I Feel Free" was a non-album track too. Key song, too, one of my favourites.

If you came to vote for "I Feel Free," just make note of it in the thread and we'll see how many votes it gets.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 04:11 (seven years ago) link

"Deserted Cities of the Heart"

pretty similar to Ulysses but better

salthigh, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 04:23 (seven years ago) link

The Cream song that wasn't really a big hit but to me resonates with me now is "We're Going Wrong". Jack Bruce's singing on it is sublime and they show some grace in how they ride that progression up and down. It was the one tune in the Cream reunion set that I thought really took off and you could see how much they had grew as musicians since the original run.

earlnash, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 04:44 (seven years ago) link

(xpost)

2006 version;2011 version. Cream's on both lists.

(Did earlier versions in the late '80s and early '90s, but they only exist in defunct fanzines and in the ether--don't think Cream was on either one of those.)

― clemenza

wow that 2011 list looks like some seriously good stuff. i'll have to take some time and delve.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 13:01 (seven years ago) link

I don't know that I'd vote for it, but I really do love Clapton's tone on "Strange Brew." I wish he'd kept that SG lead tone for more of his career instead of switching to the Strat.

Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 14:43 (seven years ago) link

voted "Strange Brew". there's something about the production/arrangement on that song.

lol I made my English Lit. class listen to "Tales of Brave Ulysses" in middle school. teacher wasn't impressed at all ("This has nothing to do with the story of Ulysses").

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 16:15 (seven years ago) link

I kept reminding myself to include "Wrapping Paper," their first single

god i LOVE "Wrapping Paper". the singing on these songs is so nice and rare, you don't often hear this kind of crooning in rock, esp the psychedelic kind.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 16:17 (seven years ago) link

XP When I was a senior in high school, we got brand new English Lit. textbooks. To provide the illusion of 'hipness', a number of song lyrics were included w/questions about themes etc. "ToBU" was one of them (the only other one I remember was "Not A Pretty Girl" by Ani DiFranco).

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 17:31 (seven years ago) link

this band kind of sucks. the scope of their popularity at their peak has always seemed weird to me. their recorded output is several steps below the other giants of the era imo. shit I wouldn't even rate them above the Small Faces

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 17:36 (seven years ago) link

What's that supposed to mean, the Small Faces were great!

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 17:38 (seven years ago) link

The Airplane comparison up top is apt for me

And me, I don't like them much either.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 17:39 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB2f6-U72Zk

found this silly video of Cream promoting a non-album track on Smothers Brothers. lol they all look like they wish they were somewhere else

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 17:42 (seven years ago) link

the Small Faces *were* great! Better than Cream! Not as good as the Kinks/Beatles/Stones/Floyd/Who but close. I'd say they're second tier along w the Hollies, Zombies. Cream is like third tier. Airplane are bottom of the barrel, however.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 17:46 (seven years ago) link

"Pay You Back with Interest" is great, but most of the time the Hollies are slightly less exciting than shuffleboard. Ranking them with, much less ahead of, Cream and the Jefferson Airplane is really bizarre to me.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link

Had never heard "Anyone for Tennis" until a couple of years ago (via that clip)--absolutely love it.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link

nah - King Midas in Reverse, Bus Stop, Carrie Anne, You Need Love, Dear Eloise - so many great singles. And they could sing. Nobody in Cream can sing for shit. Nobody in Airplane can sing for shit either for that matter, the sound of Grace Jones' voice drives me up the wall, so terrible.

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 18:33 (seven years ago) link

Marty Balin had arguably the most soulful white voice of the sixties. You've clearly thought this through very carefully, though, so I cede the floor to you.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 18:36 (seven years ago) link

I liked Baker's trio album with Bill Frisell and Charlie Haden, but I should give it another listen in case I'm looking back on it too fondly.

scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 19:44 (seven years ago) link

Went with Brave Ulysses--I regret nothing

ridiculous perm ban decision (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 20:24 (seven years ago) link

wtf kind of criteria is that

It's not really confusing. It means he was white, and he was essentially a folk singer, and he was unusually soulful as such. Think Christgau made the same observation. But I'm not sure whether Christgau ranks above or below "noted political social scientist greil marcus" on your contempt scale.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 20:43 (seven years ago) link

the combo of "soulful", "white" and "sixties" implied that there was some qualitative racial signifiers/aesthetics involved (ie "white guy that was best at impersonating a black guy") but ok. leaving aside the fact of Balin's ethnicity, I wouldn't put him anywhere near a list of top 60s male singers, regardless of genre, but then my tastes run more to the guys that could really harmonize (Bee Gees, Beatles, Beach Boys) on the one hand, and R&B shouters (Otis, Righteous Bros, Sam Cooke of course) on the other

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 21:02 (seven years ago) link

Balin and Slick were horrible screechers. I think of the Airplane as a good instrumental band that constantly had a couple of idiots rushing the stage and "helping."

scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 21:34 (seven years ago) link

Jefferson Creamplane

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 21:41 (seven years ago) link

Kantner was worse than both (xp)

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 21:43 (seven years ago) link

Screaming Trees 1987 on KXLU:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ__x3f3leA

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 21:47 (seven years ago) link

What gets me is, Baker is always complaining about how he didn't make much money out of Cream and resenting Bruce for forming the Bruce/Brown songwriting partnership, but the reality is that Baker has quite a fair amount of songwriting credits for Cream... he just didn't happen to write the hits (although he still thinks he should have got a credit for the 5/4 bolero on 'White Room' ... and thinking about it, aren't 'Tales of Brave Ulysses' and 'White Room' almost the same song!?)

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 22:02 (seven years ago) link

Pete Brown certainly lucked out.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 22:08 (seven years ago) link

the combo of "soulful", "white" and "sixties" implied that there was some qualitative racial signifiers/aesthetics involved (ie "white guy that was best at impersonating a black guy") but ok.

Believe me, you're reading far too much into the comment. I think Marty Balin has a incredibly beautiful voice on "Come Up the Years," "Today," "Saturday Afternoon," songs like that. Try to imagine that statement without the qualifier: "Marty Balin had arguably the most soulful voice of the sixties"--I'm thinking that might have been greeted with a mountain of ridicule. I brought in Christgau because your "wtf" made me bristle, like I'd just said something beyond the pale or something.

clemenza, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:13 (seven years ago) link

your elision of race here is really weird

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:14 (seven years ago) link

like you use a racially loaded phrase but then disavow any racially loaded implications they may have had. My whole issue with your statement is the "most soulful white" construct, hence my wtf

also the singing on Saturday Afternoon is terrible god the off-key caterwauling and slapdash harmonizing/poor arranging blech

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:17 (seven years ago) link

I think it's equally weird when you start parsing an innocuous comment because you're looking for...I don't know what. I usually make it a rule to avoid this kind of nonsense on here, but is there something you want to say?

And there you go with that voice-of-God stuff again (why I brought up your timeless Marcus comment, my favourite ILX post ever for a variety of reasons). You don't have to agree that Cream or Jefferson Airplane were anything special--I think Tom D. began the thread by saying he had no use for Cream. It is possible to communicate that without being as aggressively obnoxious as you tend to be--for shit, for shit, wtf, etc.

clemenza, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:22 (seven years ago) link

why I brought up your timeless Marcus comment, my favourite ILX post ever for a variety of reasons

I have no idea what you're talking about tbh

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:24 (seven years ago) link

idk how I'm not being clear about what I wanted to say...? Cream were third-rate, the Airplane were terrible. Calling Marty Balin a great singer is strange and the terms you used to defend him were odd and apparently I misconstrued them. the end.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:26 (seven years ago) link

1) I quote Marcus on the election that's about eight months out, his reasons why Trump will win no matter how many people explain why that could never happen.

2) You contemptuously dismiss what he says with your "noted political social scientist greil marcus" post--because obviously he doesn't understand things you've figured out. All that was missing was your signature "uh" or "um" that you usually begin your contemptuously dismissive posts with.

3) Skip forward eight months, the election.

No--is there something you want to say about me that's behind your careful analysis of my Marty Balin comment?

clemenza, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:30 (seven years ago) link

Balin rules.

timellison, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:31 (seven years ago) link

I was really enjoying this thread for the first 41 posts.

clemenza, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:31 (seven years ago) link

Where are the specific pitch problems with "Saturday Afternoon?"

timellison, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:31 (seven years ago) link

Man, Marty Balin's really getting punched in the face on this thread.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:34 (seven years ago) link

I really enjoy Balin and Slick (and even Mickey Thomas) tbh.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:34 (seven years ago) link

I wouldn't claim that Ginger Baker or Jack Bruce are great singers in any conventional sense--and truthfully, I'm not even sure who's singing on my favourite Cream songs most of the time. I would argue that the voice(s) that sing "Deserted Cities of the Heart," "White Room," "Those Were the Days," and many other songs perfectly capture the gloominess, strangeness, and sometimes sadness of those songs.

clemenza, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:35 (seven years ago) link

I have no memory of that greil marcus thing but sure i guess you're right he is at least as valuable re: politics as Scott Adams

Xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:41 (seven years ago) link

I'm sure it's Clapton on 'Strange Brew', Bruce on 'Tales of Brave Ulysses' and Baker on 'Blue Condition' ...

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:42 (seven years ago) link

Believe it or not clemenza i have no real personal opinion about you at all. But i do have issues w aesthetics that privelege white imitations of black styles (scare quotes around white and black there if you please) so qhenanyone throws around "white" and "soulful" i get suspicious.

Xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:45 (seven years ago) link

When anyone

Stupid phone

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:45 (seven years ago) link

"Deserted Cities of the Heart," "White Room," "Those Were the Days,"

Jack Bruce on all, I would think?

timellison, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:48 (seven years ago) link

I simply don't know what you mean by "that privilege white imitations of black styles." a) I think Marty Balin's voice is beautiful on those songs. b) I don't think he's imitating anybody on "Today"--he's 100% himself. (I can't think of anybody else who sounds like Marty Balin on "Today." c) I threw in white because I'm being preemptively defensive about saying "Marty Balin had arguably the most soulful voice of the sixties"--I know such a statement would be greeted with ridicule, and I don't even believe that myself. I do believe he had one of the most soulful voices of the sixties, and I guess I should have just said that and been prepared to defend it, so that's my fault. But again, the jargon that you're throwing around has zero to do with my feelings about "Today."

clemenza, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:53 (seven years ago) link

I thought it might be Bruce, Tim, so he's the voice of Cream for me. (Except I also love "Doin' That Scrapyard Thing," and I think that might be Baker?)

clemenza, Thursday, 16 February 2017 00:54 (seven years ago) link

Jack Bruce can certainly sing, technically he's very good (need Dan Perry) plus I like that he sings with a Scottish accent, though that I'm not sure how noticeable that is to most (non-Scottish) listeners.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 February 2017 10:30 (seven years ago) link

I'm not a metal fan, so I don't know if Cream had any kind of a lasting influence, or any influence at all, in that area. But I do remember thinking this was a funny and pretty lively "Tales of Braves Ulysses" rip at the time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKj5cJ9_KSg

There must be a Cream POX thread. I'd have to extend that to twelve for myself, all the songs I love (no order): "White Room," "Sunshine of Your Love," "Rollin' and Tumblin'," "Tales of Brave Ulysses," "I Feel Free," "Badge," "Anyone for Tennis," "Doin' That Scrapyard Thing," "Passing the Time," "Deserted Cities of the Heart," "Those Were the Days," "I'm So Glad." Which is more than a quarter of their entire output. I think the only other artist where I could say the same would be the Velvet Underground (who I somehow overlooked in the original post--move Cream down to sixth). Having a small body of work helps.

clemenza, Thursday, 16 February 2017 12:34 (seven years ago) link

I wonder how much the Airplane and Cream record-buying audiences overlapped in 1966-67?

I don't hear pitch problems with Balin, a good folk singer whose not-so-secret weapon was pop crooning. I can imagine him killing "Yesterday" or "Light My Fire" but not Otis Redding numbers.

Brad C., Thursday, 16 February 2017 13:26 (seven years ago) link

My guess would be considerable overlap, although--I related this story in ILX's stuttering thread--I tagged along once when a friend interviewed (stutterer) John Hammond Jr., and he insisted that the Airplane's audience was primarily the Monkees/Cowsills teenaged-girl audience (and he got very impatient with me when I jumped in and argued the point, which was a dumb thing to do seeing as he was there and I was only six at the time).

Yes--when I apply the term "soulful" to Balin, I mean strictly on the ballad side.

clemenza, Thursday, 16 February 2017 14:07 (seven years ago) link

Okay, I see what you mean--not even a soulful ballad singer, more of a crooner. I'd disagree with that, although I'm not sure exactly where you draw a line between the two. If it moves me, I call it soulful.

clemenza, Thursday, 16 February 2017 14:10 (seven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 00:01 (seven years ago) link

Have to post the obvious before this disappears:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOWaHTlq-hI

Kael wrote that Goodfellas' soundtrack didn't connect to its characters' lives the way Mean Streets' soundtrack did. She's right--can't see Jimmy or Tommy settling back with Disraeli Gears and a pair of headphones--and also, I think, completely missing how perfectly matched something like "Sunshine of Your Love" is to De Niro's expression at 0:41. I don't think I'd given Cream much thought since high school when Goodfellas came out; their appearance came right out of left field and reminded me how strange and sinister they always sounded to me.

clemenza, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 00:39 (seven years ago) link

Cream's 1968 Farewell Concert film is the absolute nadir of rock concert docs (and obviously a reference point for Spinal Tap); It's torturous watching them jamming so turgidly and with minimal effort to play as a group, rather than as three soloists. Voted NSU.

Jefferson Airplane were great. "Somebody to Love" sounded fucking amazing on AM radio in 67 surrounded by weak crap like Every Mother's Son and Boyce and Hart. Come to think of it, so did "Sunshine of Your Love".

Ρεμπετολογια, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 04:39 (seven years ago) link

It might be my latin blood but "white room" is for me their grooviest piece (therefore their best).

dance cum rituals (Moka), Tuesday, 28 February 2017 07:04 (seven years ago) link

If you came to vote for "I Feel Free," just make note of it in the thread and we'll see how many votes it gets.

VOTE. Funny that for a band so identified with instrumental virtuosity, my favourite moment on my favourite song is acapella.

the_ecuador_three, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 13:31 (seven years ago) link

Ρεμπετολογια: I like both "Come on Down to My Boat" and "I Wonder What She's Doing Tonight"...which doesn't negate your point about how amazing and different "Somebody to Love" would have sounded on the radio in 1967.

clemenza, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 13:50 (seven years ago) link

Give me Boyce & Hart over Cream and Jefferson Airplane any day of the week.

Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 February 2017 14:48 (seven years ago) link

Kael wrote that Goodfellas' soundtrack didn't connect to its characters' lives the way Mean Streets' soundtrack did. She's right--can't see Jimmy or Tommy settling back with Disraeli Gears and a pair of headphones--and also, I think, completely missing how perfectly matched something like "Sunshine of Your Love" is to De Niro's expression at 0:41.

I think Kael's missing the point. Soundtracks don't have to be so literal; when Karen says, "Who do you think you are, Frankie Valli or some kind of big shot?" was Kael disappointed that the soundtrack didn't play "Walk Like A Man" (or maybe play it when Henry beat up Karen's neighbor)?

Like "Sunshine" in this scene, the seemingly out-of-place "Atlantis" works because it works, not because it spells out something for us about the action or the characters (although as Scorsese later revealed, "though gods they were" did in fact relate to the characters, but not in the sense that Tommy and Henry would sit around grooving to Donovan).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 28 February 2017 15:22 (seven years ago) link

Totally agree. I find pop music used imaginatively as counterpoint to be every bit as effective (and often more so) than when used literally.

clemenza, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 16:25 (seven years ago) link

Badge, all the way.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 28 February 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 00:01 (seven years ago) link

Huh Badge!? Had no idea it was that popular. Interesting choice.

dance cum rituals (Moka), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 06:26 (seven years ago) link

Had I known noone would vote for Anyone for Tennis I'd voted for that instead. I loved when my dad played that one when I was like 6.

dance cum rituals (Moka), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 06:30 (seven years ago) link

I said I'd note "I Feel Free" votes: two for sure, and the person who noticed its absence might have been a third. (And maybe there would have been a couple more if it had been on the list.)

Thought I'd be the only "Deserted Cities of the Heart" vote; excellent drone.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 12:27 (seven years ago) link

I had a feeling 'Badge' was gonna take this about 10 posts into the thread. It's a great song - classic.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Wednesday, 1 March 2017 18:48 (seven years ago) link


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