Metallica ARE...Hardwired…To Self-Destruct

actually i don't think i've ever heard an entire 21st century exodus album. so that's unfair. but i don't think i want to.

i love 21st century immolation though. though i didn't hear the last one. i will get to it eventually.

a lot of old bands still going are like The Coasters now or whatever. one original guy and young guys. but that's true of a lot of old bands. i was gonna go see wishbone ash but i think it's just one original guy and young guys. i liked the last Grave album a lot. that's a case like that.

Thats not really true, most 80s bands have spent years in the woods, and a good number of them have branched out into sylistically different stuff. I mean, maybe not as far out there a conceptual rock opera with Lou Reed, but still.

Testament should go back to their roots. record an album in a cave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJnDQngDZrY

well this has been educational

anyway i agree the 2nd half isn't really very good, I did an edit of this that basically takes the 1st half and grabs "Spit out the Bone" from the 2nd half, got it down to 44 minute run time, tweaked the order a bit to fit (in my mind) more old school vinyl sequencing like master had...

anyway it's way less of a slog and really boils it down to the strengths...would def stump for this as their best since the Black Album

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Interesting. I'd reverse the positions of "Moth Into Flame" and "Dream No More."

yeah yr right, just did

final tracklist:

Hardwired
Atlas, Rise!
Now That We're Dead
Halo of Fire
Moth into Flame
Dream No More
Spit Out the Bone

7 songs, 44 minutes

yeah changing moth into flame and dream no more really helps the 2nd "side" good call

Anyone silly enough to complain about the length of a Metallica album clearly has forgotten, or is to young, to realize that the shortest record by far is Ride the Lightning at 47 minutes. Met have always gone big, from day one.

Anyone silly enough to complain about the length of a Metallica album clearly has forgotten, or is to young, to realize that the shortest record by far is Ride the Lightning at 47 minutes. Met have always gone big, from day one.

― A. Begrand, Monday, November 21, 2016 1:48 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

kill em all 51 mins
ride the lightning 47
master of puppets 54
and justice for all 65
black album 62

first five albums not really that long as far as albums go.

subsequent albums

load 79
reload 76
st anger 76
death magnetic 74
hard wired ... to self destruct 77

First three albums were very long for the single LP era. 54 minutes is a lot of music to cram on on LP.

wow those are long albums -- spot checking all Maiden, Priest, Motorhead, Rush, Venom, Black Sabbath up to 1983, don't see even one 50-minute studio record, all usually in the 35-45 minute range.

they all came out originally on CD too. the original albums. though kill 'em all only came out on CD in the u.k.

Anyone silly enough to complain about the length of a Metallica album clearly has forgotten, or is to young, to realize that the shortest record by far is Ride the Lightning at 47 minutes. Met have always gone big, from day one.

― A. Begrand, Monday, November 21, 2016 3:48 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i was just trying to cut out the bad songs and get it down to closer to the original run than the 75-90 minute later stuff and also make something i wanted to listen if that's silly i guess, i bought the rtl and on on cassette so i'd think i was old enough

so much metalsplaining from Neil DeThrash Tysons itt

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i always forget that upper mississippi is matt h. i remember him!

hi skot :)

i got to write my bad pun i was unduly proud of which is the important thing

personally, 50+ minutes of thrash is doing it wrong, but to each his own. If I was a Metallica fan, I would probably have made a shorter edit too (tho I would also say Metallica version of thrash included ballads, midtempo stuff, etc)

Neil DeThrash Tyson

I wouldn't cut "ManUNkind" despite the title. It's the most structurally interesting thing on the record.

kill em all 51 mins
ride the lightning 47
master of puppets 54
and justice for all 65
black album 62

first five albums not really that long as far as albums go.

No, those were long albums for their time! Ride The Lightning excepted.

I was surprised they crammed all of Master of Puppets onto one record, rather than releasing it as a double like they did with ...And Justice For All, for sound quality reasons more than anything else.

35-45 minutes is the optimal length for a vinyl LP. Even I know that, and I fucking hate vinyl.

so, has anyone picked up the 3cd edition with the 'Riff Origins' version ?

i mean, does that just mean random studio riff/jams - or are they actual songs in demo form ?

That idea was scrapped - the third disc is now a finalized version of "Lords of Summer" (the song they released as a demo a few months back, or maybe last year, I forget), some cover songs (a Ronnie James Dio/Rainbow medley, Iron Maiden's "Remember Tomorrow," Deep Purple's "When a Blind Man Cries") and a bunch of live tracks (nine from a Record Store Day performance, and the first live performance of "Hardwired"). The third disc is almost as long as the first two put together, btw.

I was surprised they crammed all of Master of Puppets onto one record, rather than releasing it as a double like they did with...

When Elektra signed Metallica and reissued RTL in December '84, they were still considered an underground band. I don't think sales really took off until after MOP was released, so the label was probably unwilling to spend the $ on a double at that point. I read Circus, Creem and Hit Parader, but Metallica didn't get on my radar until I was at a Musicland in late summer '84 and I overheard a hesher asking the clerk, "dude, do you have any METALLICA?" They did not, and I couldn't find a copy until that Elektra reissue. I bought the cassette too :)

It seems weird that all these reviews are complaining about the drum sound. And praising the drum sound on the black album at the same time? To me they sound very similar, and the black album had a lot of high end attack on the kick drums too.

my edit would prob be something like:

1. hardwired
2. atlas, rise!
3. now that we're dead
4. manunkind
5. dream no more
6. moth into the flame
7. spit out the bone
8. halo on fire

shouts out to "am i savage" tho

lol that's the exact same tracklist I suggested on another board with a slightly different order

I can't get the chorus of Atlas, Rise out of my head, it's getting quite annoying.

i like this. solid B to B minus for me.

definitely think the first half is the best, but I do not dig "Dream No More" at all - seems to drag.

like it a lot better than Death Magnetic, even though a few spots aren't too far removed from it. songwriting is better, even if flawed due to having too much fat?

also re: robodrummer comments upthread, probably used the wrong word for it, I meant robo as in "these guys can play fuckin' anything" rather than "they're soulless technical machines with no personality".

also feel like James sings more and more like WEird Al on each album

also how did I not know there was a new Diamond Head album and that it's good?

Lords of Summer should have been on the record proper, it's a solid Kill 'Em All-type track. I guess it would have stood out, it's too much fun.

i didn't care for it, tbh.

I think the main prob with this album (if it's a problem at all) is that everybody wanted it to be this hilarious failure or this amazing success and it's neither. it's pretty good. which tbh is good enough for me at this point. i still have the classics when I want them but I like having newer material I can actually throw on/enjoy live from the boyz.

also the live tracks are fire on the bonus disc. love the version of "Helpless". James' voice is cracking like a motherfucker all over it tho, god love him. but they play the songs with serious attitude again.

ManUNkind

Not a D.R.I. cover?

Their job is to make good Metallica records, and to sell out arenas.

Was just trying to think of a "shit sandwich" approach to their performance review. "So, the good news is you guys are selling out arenas... now, with regards to making good Metallica records, here's where we've got some problems."

I'm not as enthusiastic now - burning out on this one quicker than I thought. still a solid B to B minus in my opinion but doesn't have the replay-ability I hoped.

psyched on this new interview with James

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O6QPTawR14

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i think that part of the burnout for me is how intensely terrible the tones and production

There's a Song Exploder episode on 'Moth Into Flame', pretty dope, I really enjoyed hearing Lars talk explicitly about structuring Metallica songs.

heh I kinda got into this album again after getting burnt out on it. it does hang around....

still stand by my B minus tho.

it was p cool hearing Lars' "fill-envy" re Mastodon

givin this another swing...how we still feelin about it

I still listen to it all the time. More often than I listen to Ride, Puppets or Justice (my favorite of theirs).

Ktulu Awaken!

I've enjoyed most of the tracks in isolation when they come up on shuffle etc, really couldn't be arsed to listen to it all in one go again. Definitey their catchiest songs since s/t though.