groups whose musical direction I can totally get behind, but whose style of vocals really puts me off

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Junior Boys are one of those groups whose musical direction I can totally get behind, but whose style of vocals really puts me off. There are a surprising number of groups who fall into this category for me.

― chap, Thursday, July 14, 2016 12:42 PM

for me examples include Tindersticks, Lambchop, similar whisker vocal bands, can't enjoy it, it's like opposite ASMR or something and also just feels kinda insincere to my ears

also, have been to 5 Pearl Jam shows bcz one of my friends is a huge fan, and I always enjoy it, but can't really say I like Vedder's style

niels, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 07:48 (ten months ago) Permalink

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 07:50 (ten months ago) Permalink

Basically every band since the 90s?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 08:15 (ten months ago) Permalink

Most good metal bands.

Three Word Username, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 08:53 (ten months ago) Permalink

smashing pumpkins' vocals hurt me in my heart

report your crimes to my burning ghost cock (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 09:13 (ten months ago) Permalink

Hot Chip.

nate woolls, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 09:31 (ten months ago) Permalink

Ghostface Killah.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 09:39 (ten months ago) Permalink

unbelievable

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 09:44 (ten months ago) Permalink

...

report your crimes to my burning ghost cock (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 10:21 (ten months ago) Permalink

I like his lyrics and the beats on his albums, but that screechy voice and his lazy start-stop flow is like fingernails on a chalkboard.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 10:49 (ten months ago) Permalink

Short of saying Ella Fitzgerald or something that's probably the single wrongest answer I can think of.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 10:51 (ten months ago) Permalink

OK maybe not "wrong" per se but just wow.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 10:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

Supreme Challoptel

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 10:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

Is it really hard to understand why Ghostface's... rather unique voice and rapping style would make him of acquired taste?

Tuomas, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 12:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

you're making it sound like he's rap's Diamanda Galas

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 12:55 (ten months ago) Permalink

Well, Galas' voice is clearly a deliberate choice, so it's not the same. It's not Ghostface's fault that he was born with a voice like that, he just shouldn't have become a rapper. Though he can be blamed for not bothering to hone his flow or make it fit the beats he's rapping over.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 12:58 (ten months ago) Permalink

Screechy? Not hearing it tbh.

24 Hour Sex Ban Man (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

if only he'd followed his true destiny and become the tax attorney the world needed

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

Tuomas do you like action bronson ?

ANU (sisilafami), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:16 (ten months ago) Permalink

Never listened to him, sorry.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:21 (ten months ago) Permalink

I do like Q-Tip though, so it's not like I feel high-voiced men can't become good rappers. But something about how Ghostface uses his voice is just grating.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:22 (ten months ago) Permalink

Hot Chip a good call.

My immediate thought is Sugarcubes at the height of Einar's interjections.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:28 (ten months ago) Permalink

Oh, probably Cake, too, although I haven't listened to much of their stuff specifically because of that. Dude's. Halt-ing. Cay-dence.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:29 (ten months ago) Permalink

OHHHH. Hold Steady.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:30 (ten months ago) Permalink

Pentatonix

nashwan, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 13:36 (ten months ago) Permalink

Einar is the best part of the Sugarcubes, sorry Old Lunch

mh, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:24 (ten months ago) Permalink

stunned at Tuomas' Ghostface antipathy too, specifically the assumption that everyone equally hears the same gratingness, rather than being "hey for some reason out of all the Wu MCs he just doesn't click for me *shrug*"

for me he's by far the standout Wu rapper, with more character and emotion and clarity and versatility to his voice than any other. but if people like Meth best for his charisma, or Rae for his half-involved, half-aloof sneering delivery, or Bobby for sounding most like a chew-safe rapper toy with a string in his back, I enjoy a prompt to pay attention to that rapper or characteristic next time I'm listening to a Clan recording.

Shakey δσς (sic), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:26 (ten months ago) Permalink

yeah I loved Einar on the real too, he was just the Flavor Flav of the Sugarcubes

Shakey δσς (sic), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:27 (ten months ago) Permalink

Ouch, guys. This really hurts.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:29 (ten months ago) Permalink

fucked up
robert gilligan

the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:29 (ten months ago) Permalink

love Hot Chip too, but the longer they go on, the more I wish they'd divide the vocals up a lot. (But: though Goddard and Grosvenor are both better singers with tones that suit the post-second-album stuff better, they don't have as distinct a character in their singing as Alexis does.)

A worse example of the same phenomenon is when Architecture In Helsinki went from being fragile, delicate indie to upbeat dance, and stopped having a bunch of vocalists divvying up parts and the main guy whispering reedily here and there, to main guy yelping like an aged cat with kidney stones in the middle and on top of everything all the time

Shakey δσς (sic), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:33 (ten months ago) Permalink

Talk Talk

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:56 (ten months ago) Permalink

Ohhh, speaking of bands that split up the vocals: Rilo Kiley whenever Jenny Lewis isn't on mic.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:58 (ten months ago) Permalink

Given that the Sugarcubes were the party band alter egos of Kukl, I think Einar was taking his cues from Fred Schneider. Who I have issues with, too.

Abandon hype all ye who enter here (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 17:41 (ten months ago) Permalink

excited to have my moment of being the one person to understand where tuomas is coming from. I like ghostface but he definitely has a shrillness to him

ogmor, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 17:50 (ten months ago) Permalink

rappers are kind of an outlier in that their vocal style and delivery are linked, though? idk, I guess if ghost... ghosted for someone else, we could judge the lyrics independently of voice

mh, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 18:15 (ten months ago) Permalink

I can get behind almost any voice if I like the music enough (see Cardiacs, Christian Vander, Ruins, metal in general tho I have learned to appreciate a lot of the vocals there). It's far more common that good voices are wasted on mediocre music.

Dominique, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 18:23 (ten months ago) Permalink

Ruins!! I love Ruins

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 18:36 (ten months ago) Permalink

HEALTH is a good example of this. Love the music, can't stand the vocals. I still listen to them from time to time, but Death Magic would have possibly been my favorite album from last year if it were all instrumental.

silverfish, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 18:55 (ten months ago) Permalink

practically every rock group from 90s onward

brimstead, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:14 (ten months ago) Permalink

haha didnt even see tracer hand's post!

brimstead, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:17 (ten months ago) Permalink

Oh, probably Cake, too, although I haven't listened to much of their stuff specifically because of that. Dude's. Halt-ing. Cay-dence.

Ahhh yeah, all-right, hoooooo

frogbs, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:19 (ten months ago) Permalink

basically everybody who's come along wanting to sing mournful sad-guy indie in the years since will oldham picked up a microphone

Twilight Sparkle from My Little Pony said (contenderizer), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:26 (ten months ago) Permalink

i do like will oldham tho

Twilight Sparkle from My Little Pony said (contenderizer), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:26 (ten months ago) Permalink

The National
Fucked Up
Deafheaven
Radiohead
Xiu Xiu

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:30 (ten months ago) Permalink

There's a new band/new album (Omni - Deluxe) that had me thinking this exact thing yesterday. I love the album but don't really like the vocals and couldn't remember the last time I felt that way. Typically, good vocals are a requirement for enjoyment of music.

Hot Chip, AIH, "whisker vocal" bands -- agreed. Couldn't ever get into Will Oldham because I hate that style of singing. Feels so contrived. But other "contrived" vocals are fine (punk, metal, whatever) - just not the lonely sad wilderness whittling-in-a-union-suit fellas.

SA, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:36 (ten months ago) Permalink

Most good metal bands.

― Three Word Username, Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:53 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^^otfm^^^^

also Radiohead, Deerhoof

Wimmels, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:40 (ten months ago) Permalink

Someone always has to mention Deerhoof. I don't think there's a more fitting vocalist for them really, I mean what's the alternative?

ultros ultros-ghali, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:58 (ten months ago) Permalink

no vocals?

Wimmels, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 19:59 (ten months ago) Permalink

there really should be more instrumental rock bands. There are not nearly enough good singers and lyricists for all these bands.

silverfish, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:00 (ten months ago) Permalink

The Smiths

Darin, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:10 (ten months ago) Permalink

"there really should be more instrumental rock bands."

the mention of Lambchop above. put on one of their CDs the other day and the music sounded great and then the singing started...

this is a lot of atmospheric indie bands for me. and yet i love Low, so, i dunno, it's just a preference thing.

scott seward, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

Einsturzende Neubauten.

24 Hour Sex Ban Man (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:54 (ten months ago) Permalink

With HEALTH I took the vocals to be an exercise in contrast with the backing, much like early Cranes. The overall effect reminds me of some more propulsive Wire tracks with Colin Newman at the vocals.

Abandon hype all ye who enter here (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:55 (ten months ago) Permalink

I can't think of a single example of this

imago, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 22:30 (ten months ago) Permalink

I guess RHCP are a bad band made fucking unforgivably abominable by their vocalist

imago, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 22:31 (ten months ago) Permalink

I definitely get this a bit but I don't think I've had it that badly since late '90s/early '00s where there was a load of great electronic acts with awful vocals (I'm not talking about "indie-friendly electrodribble", this was a bit before that, and tbh I didn't hate all of that stuff).

emil.y, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 23:06 (ten months ago) Permalink

(Although actually now I'm thinking about it I think it really depended on yr definition, there was a lot of that stuff that I did abhor.)

emil.y, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 23:07 (ten months ago) Permalink

A.R. Kane - the vocals are so poor, I found the records unendurable.

Vast Halo, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 23:32 (ten months ago) Permalink

everything go crazy now

brimstead, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 23:34 (ten months ago) Permalink

I guess RHCP are a bad band made fucking unforgivably abominable by their vocalist

RHCP could be good if it wasn't for Kiedis. The guy is an absolute fucking nightmare. (Though, in counter to the quote that's always brought up as a joke at RHCP's expense, Nick Cave is a fucking awful singer, too, and I'd probably like the Bad Seeds a lot more if, say, Blixa had been the vocalist.)

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 01:25 (ten months ago) Permalink

skateboard of education (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 01:48 (ten months ago) Permalink

http://imgur.com/a/wLInt

skateboard of education (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 01:49 (ten months ago) Permalink

Beastie Boys

Hideous Lump, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 02:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

I wouldn't say I can totally get behind their musical direction, but Gentle Giant.

24 Hour Sex Ban Man (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 08:59 (ten months ago) Permalink

rappers are kind of an outlier in that their vocal style and delivery are linked, though?

Wait what?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 09:07 (ten months ago) Permalink

not sure where I was going with that, please disregard

mh, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:15 (ten months ago) Permalink

It's probably not just his vocal style, but I realised the other day that the Chili Peppers would be a whole lot less punchable if they'd replaced Anthony Kiedis with someone who wasn't an extraordinarily untalented dickhead

TARANTINO! (dog latin), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 14:45 (ten months ago) Permalink

New Order

MarkoP, Saturday, 23 July 2016 15:04 (ten months ago) Permalink

saw them live recently, that guy's a poor singer

decent on record tho

niels, Saturday, 23 July 2016 15:34 (ten months ago) Permalink

i used to have this 80's new order live boot where he was just hilariously bad. it was funny. the vocals on the boot were way up front. sounded like the post-punk linda mccartney.

scott seward, Saturday, 23 July 2016 15:50 (ten months ago) Permalink

Talk Talk

― Iago Galdston, Tuesday, July 19, 2016

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 July 2016 16:11 (ten months ago) Permalink

i like bobbie watson of comus, but boy she really wanders off pitch a lot.

big rave warrior (rushomancy), Saturday, 23 July 2016 16:13 (ten months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

the falsetto Whitney's lead vocalist does is for some reason v off putting to me

niels, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 08:19 (five months ago) Permalink

Neurosis
Bad Religion
Deerhoof

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 09:18 (five months ago) Permalink

Hood

MaresNest, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 10:28 (five months ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Gonjasufi

chap, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:34 (one week ago) Permalink

Nick Cave

Shat Parp (dog latin), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:58 (one week ago) Permalink

Most good metal bands.

― Three Word Username, Tuesday, July 19, 2016 3:53 AM (nine months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

meekseeks mill (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 15:02 (one week ago) Permalink

My son keeps singing me songs which I like, then he tells me its by the Pumpkins and I recoil. Truth is I would like them if it weren't for that voice, which is odd, because I like quite a lot of singers my sons find unbearable: MES in particular.

Dr X O'Skeleton, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 15:12 (one week ago) Permalink

Durutti Column

Wimmels, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 15:15 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah Billy Corgan is one of that strain of very talented rock musicians whoc should let go of a bit of ego and concentrate on writing and playing for better singers.

chap, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 15:29 (one week ago) Permalink

Like imagine if Siamese Dream had been sung by, I dunno, Layne Staley.

chap, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 15:30 (one week ago) Permalink

Joanna Newsom, hands down.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 16:02 (one week ago) Permalink

As much as I love Sun Kil Moon (before Mark went off the deep end around 2014), I can't ever seem to get over the fact that his voice makes him sound he's singing with a mouthful of food.

And Tobin Sprout's vocals don't put me off but I'm constantly amazed at how different he sounds when singing vs. talking. It's not that he just sounds like he's in a different register but instead like an entirely different person.

Evan, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 16:21 (one week ago) Permalink

Durutti Column

― Wimmels, Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:15 AM (one hour ago)

fp

Austin, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 17:00 (one week ago) Permalink

television

marcos, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 17:05 (one week ago) Permalink


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