Homosexuality and Hip-Hop : The Gay Rapper Thread

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― keith (keithmcl), Friday, 1 November 2002 20:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

Aren't all nu-metal acts gay?

― Lee G (Lee G), Friday, 1 November 2002 20:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

It's amazing how adding the word "gay" to that site's graphics make pictures of an MC holding a mic or a bunch of breakdancers suddenly look really suggestive.

We'll probably get a mainstream-accepted lesbian MC before we get a gay one, I'm guessing.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 1 November 2002 20:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

If the statistic is to be believed, 10% of all men are gay or bisexual. That means 10% of all male rappers have a deeeep dark secret.
I put my money on Luther Campbell. He makes such a big deal about his sex life "I think he doth protest too much."

― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Friday, 1 November 2002 20:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

Some people seem to think Dr. Dre is homosexual. I think 2Pac accused Dr. Dre of it in one of his tracks too.

Oddly, rumors have been flying for many years that 2Pac himself was quite the bisexual.

― Manny Parsons (Rahul Kamath), Friday, 1 November 2002 20:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm amazed nobody's mentioned yez-know-who yet. You know, the guy who dressed up like Robin and in drag in the same video.

(I am so dead.)

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 1 November 2002 20:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

We'll probably get a mainstream-accepted lesbian MC before we get a gay one, I'm guessing.

Well, there's always Peaches...

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 1 November 2002 20:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

Suge Knight claims that Dre, when he pushes his ass cheeks together, has a target (or something to that effect) tattooed on his cheeks. I doubt it, but an Eminem/Dre relationship would explain a lot about both their personas.

And not to turn this thread into "hip-hop rumors involving homosexuality" (although it kinda already is that) but, according to DMX, Ja Rule had an exchange one night with a guy after eating X.

― S, Friday, 1 November 2002 20:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

Rap and Homophobia
[...] What hasn't changed is the gap between rap and house, an antipathy which exists between these two forms of soul music. [...] According to Frankie Knuckles, this goes to the core of attitudes towards gays, especially amongst the black community. "The fact that house got started in the gay clubs makes it tough for some of them to deal with it."

Jan Geerinck
http://www.jahsonic.com/Gay.html

― Jan Geerinck, Friday, 1 November 2002 21:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

Lesbian rappers are less of a threat to the hyper-hetero masculinity of hip-hop. Ergo: Queen Latifah.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 November 2002 21:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

what would be a good homo-rapper name?

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 1 November 2002 21:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

perhaps "ice capades"?

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 1 November 2002 21:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

Lesbian rappers are less of a threat to the hyper-hetero masculinity of hip-hop.

Hmmm? But lesbian rappers are women that suceed in a male-dominated medium, and furthermore don't *need* men (as opposed to heterosexual female rappers, who almost always encourage fellow females to get a guy, even if only for $$$$$.) Surely that's a threat to your average thug's comfort, too?

― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 1 November 2002 23:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

But sometimes they just like to watch.

― Honda, Friday, 1 November 2002 23:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

meaning, that if a lesbian rapper hit top 40, it'd probably be due to some perverse Xena-cult-style phenom. like if Princess Superstar came out of a closet or something.

― Honda, Friday, 1 November 2002 23:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

Honda: Yeah, I thought about adding "a faux lesbian rapper would probably work, tho".

― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 1 November 2002 23:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

Here's something about hip-hop that keeps out all but total masculinity: prison. It is, of course, important to point out that prison sex and homosexuality are two very, very different things. But when you consider that gangster rap is often directly addressed (if you read it literally) to people serving time, or to people living between incarcerations, then it becomes problematic to discuss any physical yearning for other men.

Or so someone tried to explain, zonked on acid, staring intently at a Bone Thugs ad at a bus stop. I think this was at Berkeley some weeks after a seminar on bisexuality in lower-class communities with high rates of incarceration. This also doesn't help explain the lack of non-gangster gay hip-hop artists.

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 2 November 2002 01:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

I don't remember saying that.

― Kris (aqueduct), Saturday, 2 November 2002 01:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

James Brown was pretty famously (or at least credibly) bisexual in his heyday. __% of hip hop is based off a loop of "Funky Drummer," JB's screech or some such.

It's kind of a cheap irony, but I enjoy it nonetheless.

(I guess you could draw a similar/stronger line with first-wave hip hop's dico roots, as also per the house comments above...)

― wl (wl), Saturday, 2 November 2002 02:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Hmmm? But lesbian rappers are women that suceed in a male-dominated medium, and furthermore don't *need* men (as opposed to heterosexual female rappers, who almost always encourage fellow females to get a guy, even if only for $$$$$.) Surely that's a threat to your average thug's comfort, too?"

Lil' Kim's frequently rapping about how she quite likes lesbians - there's even a song where she tells Puff Daddy not to yell "dyke" at them - in some ways I think the lesbian is almost upheld within ho-rap as the ultimate in self-empowered independence - though that said, I get the impression that flirtation with lesbianism would still be a male-porn style prelude to the main event.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 2 November 2002 12:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

The Pac track goes "California Love part motherfuckin' two...without gay-ass Dre"

― dave q, Saturday, 2 November 2002 13:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

Suge Knight calls Dr Dre "Dr Gay". He was obviously had a lot of time to think of that one.
Of course Dre said himself that he robbed Liberace.

― Nick H, Saturday, 2 November 2002 16:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

James Brown was pretty famously (or at least credibly) bisexual in his heyday.

This isn't something I've even heard of before, but if it's true, it might explain why he bit a Bowie song.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 2 November 2002 17:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

there's always Anthony Keidis

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 3 November 2002 04:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

without gay-ass Dre

I dunno about Dre = gay. Calling your former-friend "punk-ass faggot," etc., figures pretty prominently in the various Ruthless/Death Row/and so on feuds. Witness Cube's "No Vaseline," Dre or Ren "talking to that bitch O'Shea," as just a couple instances.

Re: James Brown I read an interview with someone who'd been on tour with him, 60s or 70s, about him bringing along an effeminate male companion for his pleasure. I don't have trouble buying this.

― wl (wl), Sunday, 3 November 2002 05:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

James Brown's bio addresses this a little bit: apparently there was a rumor in the late '60s about JB getting a sex-change operation and marrying Bobby Byrd! JB talks in the book about people jumping onstage during shows and feeling his crotch to see if the rumors were true. He also ends by saying, "Besides, Bobby Byrd was already married."

― M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 3 November 2002 09:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

James Brown has an answer for everything.

― Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 3 November 2002 20:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

When is someone gonna write The Celluloid Closet for popular music? Or has it been written?

― Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 3 November 2002 20:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

didn't john gill write a (not very good)* book along these lines?

*(i didn't read it if he did, so this may not be fair)

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 3 November 2002 21:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

WL: That Ice Cube song was directed at Eazy-E, who IIRC was revealed to have been gay after he died of AIDS. That could be incorrect, though; he may have just used the wrong needle or something.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

apparently there was a rumor in the late '60s about JB getting a sex-change operation

I saw evidence to the contrary a couple months ago while watching a clip I saw of him performing on SNL in 1980. Unless he used a prosthesis.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:23 (10 years ago) Permalink

nate he wz born jane brown — i tht everyone knew that!!

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

'Papa's got a brand new bag' now makes more sense

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Does this homo hip hop night still exist in the South Bronx? (And would somebody kindly remind me how to post links, since it isn't in the FAQ section?)

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0005/trebay.php

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 05:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

...and me all Emily Latellah: Never mind.

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 5 November 2002 05:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

revive!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 16 May 2003 00:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

....no-one mentioned Eminem - surely no self respecting straight man can possibly devote so much of his time, thoughts and energies to something that, apparently, shouldn't even...err... enter his life. And just look at Mathers' wife - she's a drag queen, isn't she?

Then again, would any drag queen use lip liner to that extent?

I think the gay scene rarely follows trends - and hip hop as a genre is just so outdated, it's too way back there for gays.... the fashions may seep into gay culture, the music - nah. Too violent, too ugly and impossible to dance to.

― russ t, Friday, 16 May 2003 13:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

I've said it on ILX before, and I'll say it again- a (decent) source swears that 1CE-T is perhaps not heterosexual.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 16 May 2003 13:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

So that's why he has wives with big tits.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

Bingo.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

Tom Cruise was married to Mimi Rogers

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

Big tits aren't fooling anyone.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Tom Cruise was married to Mimi Rogers "...

....wasn't Rock Hudson 'married' too?

― russ t, Friday, 16 May 2003 14:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

and impossible to dance to
!!!!
(& "hot in herre" dancefloor manwiches to thread, etc)

― Ess Kay (esskay), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:31 (10 years ago) Permalink

When is someone gonna write The Celluloid Closet for popular music? Or has it been written?

There is a book called The Vinyl Closet, written by Boze Hadleigh, but it was published in 1991, is out of print and hard to find, and the information is outdated. It's still a fun read. There are interviews with closeted musicians (usually seventies has-beens) in which they are referred to by their first initial only.

― Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 16 May 2003 14:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

Ess Kay - believe me, I can't see NWA going down too well on the floors of DTPM, Sound Factory or Fist..... manwiches or no manwiches.

― russ t, Friday, 16 May 2003 15:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

haha well I can't see gabba going down in there* either - NWA != all rap ever (blah blah block parties, summertime, RUMP-SHAKING EMPOWERMENT, etc) ("hot in herre" is hella camp).

*(I have no idea where yr talking about - they in the United States?)

― Ess Kay (esskay), Friday, 16 May 2003 16:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

Eminem was mentioned way upthread, actually.

I gotta ask--if hip-hop is way too back there in terms of innovation, where exactly is diva house?

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 16 May 2003 16:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

one of Eminem's biggest hits, "My Name Is", sampled Labi Siffri's "I Got The". he was an openly gay disco/funk singer.

i think Em and Dre did this intentionally

― JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 16 May 2003 19:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

Argh, Toure wrote an article in the New York Times on April 20, 2003, called "Gay Rappers: Too Real For Hip-Hop?" You have to pay for it now, but perhaps Lexis-Nexis will give you the article for free.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Friday, 16 May 2003 19:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

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Supa hot is not a rapper

― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 15:49 (10 months ago) Permalink

what's rap to a non-rapper who don't rap about anything

― some dude, Wednesday, 4 July 2012 15:50 (10 months ago) Permalink

well to be fair to curtis i don't think we have a "gay r&b artist" thread

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 4 July 2012 15:52 (10 months ago) Permalink

sorry, I was more focused on the "homosexuality and hip-hop" part of the thread title. he works within the rap community; also he has rapped before iirc!!

― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 16:20 (10 months ago) Permalink

We've been talking about this extensively on the Frank Ocean thread

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 4 July 2012 18:08 (10 months ago) Permalink

― ♆ (gr8080), Friday, 6 July 2012 03:05 (10 months ago) Permalink

yeah, I bumped this thread before I saw the Frank Ocean thread obv.

― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Friday, 6 July 2012 03:08 (10 months ago) Permalink

lol just noticed this post

Supa hot is not a rapper

― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:49 AM Bookmark

― chain the color of am0n (The Reverend), Friday, 6 July 2012 04:42 (10 months ago) Permalink

Zuper Blahq is not a rapper

― ¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Friday, 6 July 2012 05:20 (10 months ago) Permalink

― LeRooLeRoo, Thursday, 19 July 2012 12:43 (10 months ago) Permalink

i think i needed that #homogogo

― fauxmarc, Thursday, 19 July 2012 13:05 (10 months ago) Permalink

― MikoMcha, Thursday, 19 July 2012 16:49 (10 months ago) Permalink

Just got posted in the thread for Dark York: Le1f - Dark York (2012): QPOC SHAKUR / #seapunk

― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 19 July 2012 17:23 (10 months ago) Permalink

You've got to be fast these days...

― MikoMcha, Thursday, 19 July 2012 17:55 (10 months ago) Permalink

Spoke to Mykki for five minutes before her show tonight (a few folks I know were involved in setting it up and I showed up a bit early).

Cosmic Angel (the mixtape) is supposed to drop in October with production from Brenmar, Teengirl Fantasy and Physical Therapy, and some other folks I forget. She's recording in LA and SF in the next week or two to finish things up before her European tour.

― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 28 July 2012 08:17 (9 months ago) Permalink

― LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 15:03 (9 months ago) Permalink

based on the screencap, I'll pass.

― The Reverend, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 15:13 (9 months ago) Permalink

Be grateful you did.

― to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Friday, 3 August 2012 21:44 (9 months ago) Permalink

should i go see BIG FREEDIA on thursday night at a small-ish club?!?

― the late great, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 01:39 (9 months ago) Permalink

I cannot imagine why you (or anyone) wouldn't.

― to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 03:58 (9 months ago) Permalink

Absolutely. Ass is everywhere.

― Eric H., Tuesday, 14 August 2012 04:06 (9 months ago) Permalink

rev & i talked this out a bit behind the scenes but im not sure i see what the pitchfork article did that this article isn't also doing?
http://www.alternet.org/comments/medias-problem-gay-rappers

i mean, i think obv there needs to be a balance between defining rappers who are gay as a gay rapper movement & simply ignoring the phenomenon that there are now out gay rappers, (which is to say, there is SOMEthing happening, right?) but I fail to see what the pitchfork article did that made it any worse than what this article is doing.

― protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 08:11 (9 months ago) Permalink

Do Kpop girl group rappers count?

They're being promoted in a major way.

― hurricane weather (forapper), Thursday, 16 August 2012 15:11 (9 months ago) Permalink

With the 'Wavvy' premiere and the increased media coverage, I figured it was time for Mykki to get her own thread - Mykki Blanco - 'Wavvy' and the forthcoming Cosmic Angel mixtape

― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 17:51 (9 months ago) Permalink

http://soundcloud.com/zebrakatz/ima-read-ft-gangsta-boo-x

GANGSTA FUCKING BOO

― lex pretend, Thursday, 30 August 2012 13:31 (8 months ago) Permalink

and tricky O_O

― lex pretend, Thursday, 30 August 2012 13:31 (8 months ago) Permalink

Gangsta Boo is great on that but Tricky doesn't work at all. Then again, I've never liked him.

― The Reverend, Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:39 (8 months ago) Permalink

haha i thought tricky had come out of the closet

― some dude, Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:40 (8 months ago) Permalink

That's how I interpreted that as well. LOL

― Regional Tug (irrational), Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:49 (8 months ago) Permalink

i think they both sound really awkward on that track, she's no better than him imo

― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 August 2012 20:14 (8 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

love this. DDm is the best.

http://soundcloud.com/goddm/bmore-fierce-remix

― tuomas without a nose ring (The Reverend), Friday, 14 September 2012 09:11 (8 months ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

man y'all are sleeping on ^^^^that one

he raps over an az. banks beat and violently riffs on "Ima Read"

desert eag, desert eag, desert eag
make it bleeed, make it bleeed, make it bleeed
ima read, ima read, ima read
your obituary

― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Friday, 12 October 2012 23:59 (7 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

are there any gay rappers in the UK?

― tpp, Thursday, 13 December 2012 12:47 (5 months ago) Permalink

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2012/11/fan-landers-gay-rapper-aging-hardcore.php

― some dude, Thursday, 13 December 2012 13:24 (5 months ago) Permalink

I'm a 31 year old, balding bearded guy who doesn't drink but I do possess a love for post-hardcore or whatever

― tpp, Thursday, 13 December 2012 13:34 (5 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

CAKES!

http://soundcloud.com/bloglin/cakes-da-killa-goodies/

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 01:16 (4 months ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

i forget if we're still using this or if we've moved onto another thread, but there's a zebra katz mixtape out today called DRKLNG: https://soundcloud.com/zebrakatz/drklng

― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 16 May 2013 15:31 (1 week ago) Permalink

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