Worst era of the US Modern Rock Chart?

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Taken from this http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/9214-radio-friendly-unit-shifters-25-years-of-billboards-alternative-music-chart/

1988–1993: The Sun Never Set on the British Empire

Key Modern Rock No. 1s: The Cure, “Fascination Street” (1989, 7 weeks); Kate Bush, “Love and Anger” (1989, 3 weeks); Peter Murphy, “Cuts You Up” (1990, 7 weeks); Depeche Mode, “Enjoy the Silence” (1990, 3 weeks); Jesus Jones, “Right Here, Right Now” (1991, 5 weeks); R.E.M., “Losing My Religion” (1991, 8 weeks); Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians, “So You Think You’re in Love” (1991, 5 weeks); Morrissey, “Tomorrow” (1992, 6 weeks); New Order, “Regret” (1993, 6 weeks)

Inevitable Red Hot Chili Peppers No. 1: “Give It Away” (1991, 2 weeks)

1993–1996: When Alt Became Pop

Key Modern Rock No. 1s: Nirvana, “Heart-Shaped Box” (1993, 3 weeks); The Lemonheads, “Into Your Arms” (1993, 9 weeks); Beck, “Loser” (1994, 5 weeks); Green Day, “Basket Case” and “When I Come Around” (1994–95, 5 and 7 weeks, respectively); the Cranberries, “Zombie” (1994, 6 weeks); Live, “Lightning Crashes” (1995, 9 weeks); Alanis Morrisette, “You Oughta Know” (1995, 5 weeks); Bush, “Glycerine” (1995, 2 weeks); Oasis, “Wonderwall” (1995–96, 10 weeks); Butthole Surfers, “Pepper” (1996, 3 weeks); Primitive Radio Gods, “Standing Outside a Broken Phone Booth With Money in My Hand” (1996, 6 weeks)

Inevitable Red Hot Chili Peppers No. 1s: “Soul to Squeeze” (1993, 5 weeks); “My Friends” (1995, 4 weeks)

1997–1999: Faux-ternative

Key Modern Rock No. 1s: Third Eye Blind, “Semi-Charmed Life” (1997, 8 weeks); Matchbox Twenty, “Push” (1997, 1 week); Sugar Ray, “Fly” (1997, 8 weeks); Marcy Playground, “Sex and Candy” (1997–98, 15 weeks); Goo Goo Dolls, “Iris” (1998, 5 weeks); Barenaked Ladies, “One Week” (1998, 5 weeks); Everlast, “What It’s Like” (1998–99, 9 weeks); Lit, “My Own Worst Enemy” (1999, 11 weeks)

Inevitable Red Hot Chili Peppers No. 1: “Scar Tissue” (1999, 16 weeks)

1999–2002: The Mook Shall Inherit the Earth

Key Modern Rock No. 1s: 3 Doors Down, “Kryptonite” (2000, 11 weeks); Papa Roach, “Last Resort” (2000, 7 weeks); Fuel, “Hemorrhage (In My Hands)” (2000–01, 12 weeks); Crazy Town, “Butterfly” (2001, 2 weeks); Staind, “It’s Been Awhile” (2001, 16 weeks); Nickelback, “How You Remind Me” (2001, 13 weeks); Linkin Park, “In the End” (2001, 5 weeks); Puddle of Mudd, “Blurry” (2002, 9 weeks)

Inevitable Red Hot Chili Peppers No. 1s: “Otherside” (2000, 13 weeks); “Californication” (2000, 1 week); “By the Way” (2002, 14 weeks)

2003–2008: The Oligopoly

Key Modern Rock No. 1s: Foo Fighters, “All My Life” (2002–03, 10 weeks); Linkin Park, “Numb” (2003–04, 12 weeks); Incubus, “Megalomaniac” (2004, 6 weeks); Green Day, “American Idiot” (2004, 6 weeks); Foo Fighters, “Best of You” (2005, 7 weeks); Incubus, “Anna Molly” (2006–07, 5 weeks); Linkin Park, “What I’ve Done” (2007, 16 weeks); Foo Fighters, “The Pretender” (2007, 18 weeks); Incubus, “Love Hurts” (2008–09, 3 weeks)

Inevitable Red Hot Chili Peppers No. 1s: “Can’t Stop” (2003, 3 weeks); “Dani California” (2006, 14 weeks); “Tell Me Baby” (2006, 4 weeks); “Snow (Hey Oh)” (2007, 5 weeks)

2009–2013: The Return of the New Wave

Key Alternative Songs No. 1s: Kings of Leon, “Use Somebody” (2009, 3 weeks); Muse, “Uprising” (2009–10, 17 weeks); Phoenix, “1901” (2010, 2 weeks); the Black Keys, “Tighten Up” (2010–11, 10 weeks); Cage the Elephant, “Shake Me Down” (2011, 6 weeks); Foster the People, “Pumped Up Kicks” (2011, 5 weeks); Gotye featuring Kimbra, “Somebody That I Used to Know” (2012, 12 weeks); fun., “We Are Young” and “Some Nights” (2012, 2 weeks and 3 weeks, respectively); Alex Clare, “Too Close” (2012, 4 weeks); the Neighbourhood, “Sweater Weather” (2013, 11 weeks); Lorde, “Royals” (2013, 4 weeks to date)

Inevitable Red Hot Chili Peppers No. 1: “The Adventures of Rain Dance Maggie” (2011, 4 weeks)

Which was the worst era?

Poll Results

OptionVotes
1999–2002: The Mook Shall Inherit the Earth 24
2003–2008: The Oligopoly 13
1997–1999: Faux-ternative 6
2009–2013: The Return of the New Wave 3
1988–1993: The Sun Never Set on the British Empire 0
1993–1996: When Alt Became Pop 0


Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Wednesday, 18 February 2015 23:49 (nine years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/Jytx2FG.jpg

no love deb weep (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 18 February 2015 23:53 (nine years ago) link

why did you do that to your poor dog?

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 19 February 2015 00:09 (nine years ago) link

the 1997–1999: Faux-ternative stuff wasnt really played much on UK radio as we had our own atrocities at the time.

1999–2002: The Mook Shall Inherit the Earth did unfortunately.

2003–2008: The Oligopoly i dont remember in the UK so that was probably the landfill era?

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 19 February 2015 00:18 (nine years ago) link

billy corgi here?

you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 19 February 2015 00:19 (nine years ago) link

1999–2002: The Mook Shall Inherit the Earth

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 February 2015 00:23 (nine years ago) link

yeah. anything with 3 Doors Down, “Kryptonite” wins:

if I go crazy then will you still call me Superman?
If I'm alive and well, will you be there holding my hand?
I'll keep you by my side with my superhuman might
Kryptonite

wtf is 'kryptonite' even doing in that chorus? it's presence is not logical, and yet they named the fucking song 'kryptonite'.

you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 19 February 2015 00:27 (nine years ago) link

I can't even remember a single one of those mook era songs

Darin, Thursday, 19 February 2015 00:29 (nine years ago) link

Nickelback looks pretty good in that lineup

you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 19 February 2015 00:31 (nine years ago) link

I like "Kryptonite."

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 February 2015 00:35 (nine years ago) link

1988–1993: The Sun Never Set on the British Empire is ILM the Playlist.

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 19 February 2015 00:45 (nine years ago) link

The writer himself chose his worst era

If I had to pick an absolute nadir for alternative rock as a format, it wouldn’t be the maligned rap-rock years, which for all their obnoxiousness at least offered a goofy sense of misplaced conviction. No, it would be the mid-aughts-- alt-rock’s very own Corporate Rock era. Actually, that analogy is an insult to late-70s rock, because even the age of Styx, Boston, and Journey offered more sonic variety. Dave Grohl is a nice guy, but I’m not sure he’s written anything as enduring as “More Than a Feeling” yet.

Blame the explosion of the iPod and iTunes, which hollowed-out listenership among young men, the very consumers who fled record stores first. Rock radio programmers scrambled to retain the dudes who weren’t permanently attached to white earbuds and could still be counted on to tune in. The result: a Modern Rock penthouse with a lock that, seemingly, only five American bands had the keys for: Foo Fighters, Green Day, Linkin Park, Incubus, and, yes, the Chili Peppers. During the six-year period from 2003 through 2008, this five-band oligopoly controlled the No. 1 spot 152 out of 313 weeks-- a preposterous 49% of the time.

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 19 February 2015 00:49 (nine years ago) link

Astonishing stuff to an outsider here though about dudes totally dominating the #1 spot for so long though.

The ultimate sign that the Alternative chart has come full circle to the early days of Modern Rock Tracks? A woman is finally No. 1. In August, Lorde’s “Royals” became the first chart-topper by a solo female artist since Tracy Bonham in 1996. It’s still No. 1 this week, appropriately enough, on the 25th anniversary of a chart that launched with Siouxsie Sioux’s record in the top slot. But is “Royals” a great moment for women, or a great moment for an “alternative” culture that long, long ago became middle-of-the-road? Does it even guarantee we won’t have to hear another phoned-in Red Hot Chili Peppers song during drive time? Nah-- but if it means commercial alt-rock radio, or this chart, can resume its place as our bastard Top 40, we'll take it.

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 19 February 2015 00:51 (nine years ago) link

Definitely going with 2003–2008: The Oligopoly.

In fact, I think I can pin down 2008 specifically as the all-time nadir of this format

Frontier Psychiatrist, Thursday, 19 February 2015 02:45 (nine years ago) link

Torn between the last two

da croupier, Thursday, 19 February 2015 02:56 (nine years ago) link

Tbh, I'm not even really sure what this chart is supposed to represent at this point.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 19 February 2015 03:12 (nine years ago) link

Fauxternative by a longshot. Those Nickelback singles are tight

when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 19 February 2015 03:21 (nine years ago) link

the amount of american charts always confused me. we only had the top 40.

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 19 February 2015 03:56 (nine years ago) link

everything post 1997 is unbearable. . .

akm, Thursday, 19 February 2015 05:02 (nine years ago) link

but 99-02 is a special kind of hellish shit so I'll vote for that

akm, Thursday, 19 February 2015 05:03 (nine years ago) link

yeah this poll needs to allow for multiple votes

Dinsdale, Thursday, 19 February 2015 06:10 (nine years ago) link

Tbh, I'm not even really sure what this chart is supposed to represent at this point.

I largely feel the same way about the 88-93 period, though, so maybe it's true that this chart is going back to its roots. I'm tempted to vote for the 88-93 period mostly because it still seems absurd that there was a Billboard 'chart' that gave '#1' 'hits' to people like Peter Murphy and Robyn Hitchcock. The Depeche Mode and REM songs are classic, though. The 03-08 period looks grim based on the 'key #1s' that are listed above but if you include the Jimmy Eat World, White Stripes,Modest Mouse, and MCR songs that are also listed in the article, it's not as bad. I have some affection for that period.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:00 (nine years ago) link

Huh, the local modern rock station is playing Bob Marley atm.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:06 (nine years ago) link

The 88-93 period was meant to acknowledge what was playing on "modern rock" radio, which was indeed more Midnight Oily than Pearl Jammy at the time (the station i listened to at the time that hypothetically would have reported still called itself "progressive") - the degree to which the format would evolve and gain commercial weight they never could have predicted, and makes the early years look damn surreal in hindsight. The problem with the current era is billboard is taking the diminished radio input and incorporating downloads for music it arbitrarily decides qualifies

da croupier, Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:12 (nine years ago) link

"Hypothetically" isn't really the right word. I just mean it might have but I dunno if it did

da croupier, Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:13 (nine years ago) link

I moved from IU to Penn State in 1994 and the difference between the progressive station in the former and The Revolution 101.1 in the latter made the evolution of the format really pronounced for me

da croupier, Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:16 (nine years ago) link

Ironically the revolution 101.1 became pop and then nothing by the mid-00s, while wtts in Bloomington appears to still be adult rockin

da croupier, Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link

I largely feel the same way about the 88-93 period, though, so maybe it's true that this chart is going back to its roots. I'm tempted to vote for the 88-93 period mostly because it still seems absurd that there was a Billboard 'chart' that gave '#1' 'hits' to people like Peter Murphy and Robyn Hitchcock.

but these kind of songs were legitimately getting airplay on college stations too

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:22 (nine years ago) link

It does look hilarious though, because there's no way for the chart to acknowledge the exponential growth of its base

da croupier, Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:27 (nine years ago) link

That the number of stations playing "machinehead" and the number playing "what's good" we're quite different

da croupier, Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link

The Joel whitburn rock chart book I have includes the mainstream and modern chart rankings for acts side by side and its cool to see how the charts were wildly different and almost identical in the 90s, except for a few key signifying stars like Metallica and Aerosmith

da croupier, Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link

Here's an experiment: can you imagine a song like "Machinehead" in the same playlist as "What's Good" in '92? I say yes. Whereas the programming director might've been fired in '95 for playing "What's Good."

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link

And then identical, rather

da croupier, Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:33 (nine years ago) link

I'm not being nostalgic for the Robyn Hitchcock Era, just pointing out that "modern rock"-reporting stations, as croup said, had more numbers on their side in '95.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:33 (nine years ago) link

what's poor John Frusciante got to do to get a BNM?!

campreverb, Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link

Actually I have to disagree a little, the music on mod rock charts DID get harder, both formats moved toward each other but were quite distinct for about five years

da croupier, Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link

Xpost re bush and lou

da croupier, Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:35 (nine years ago) link

And c'mon alt radio still played shit like Shawn Mullins, everlast, Sheryl crow. You could still get a thoughtful shuffle on rock radio you just couldn't be old

da croupier, Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:36 (nine years ago) link

I don't doubt "Wonderwall" got more legit play than Ned's Atomic Dustbin's #1 when the number of stations and listener responders expanded.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link

Female singer-songwriters got more slack than the male ones in the mid/late '90s though - just desserts.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:38 (nine years ago) link

In the early '90s we had, what, Sinead and Suzanne Vega and maybe Kate Bush? Slim pickins.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:38 (nine years ago) link

right in the middle of the 2003-2008 "Oligopoly" period I remember hearing a lot of White Stripes and Modest Mouse and the Raconteurs and Bloc Party and Gnarls Barkley and the Bravery

example (crüt), Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:45 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, while the Foo Fighters, Linkin Park, and Incubus had the highest peaking songs of that era I tend to usually associate that time period more with bands like The White Stripes, The Killers, Modest Mouse, The Bravery, Muse and all of those emo pop acts like Fall Out Boy, Panic at the Disco, My Chemical Romance. Also, because I'm in Canada bands like Metric, Arcade Fire, Sam Roberts, and AlexisonFire/City and Colour.

MarkoP, Thursday, 19 February 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link

Alfred you are talking the height of the Tori Amos era. she was huge.

campreverb, Thursday, 19 February 2015 16:00 (nine years ago) link

Was tori amos really that huge?

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 19 February 2015 16:51 (nine years ago) link

Huger than the three Alfred mentioned. I think Alfred's thinking 1990-91 though.

how's life, Thursday, 19 February 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link

well, Little Earthquakes was '92.

campreverb, Thursday, 19 February 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link

1999-2002 < 1997-1999 < 2003-2008 < 1993-1996 < 2009-2013 < 1988-1993

example (crüt), Thursday, 19 February 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link

actually i can't really decide whether 1999-2002 or 1997-1999 is worse

example (crüt), Thursday, 19 February 2015 18:09 (nine years ago) link

arent you supposed to be nostalgic for the music of your youth?

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 19 February 2015 18:13 (nine years ago) link

right now I'm jonesing for a burger

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 February 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link

I listened to oldies radio so I am nostalgic for the Four Tops and the Grass Roots, not Matchbox 20 and Fuel.

example (crüt), Thursday, 19 February 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link

I have never heard Sweater Weather.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 19 February 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 00:01 (nine years ago) link

it feels weird lumping in 2003 with as far ahead as 2008. the representation listed above doesn't account for the singles during the earlier half of that era that were actually decent ("go with the flow," "minerva," "just because," "maps," "duality," "hard to explain," the darkness, etc) although audioslave had shown up by then who were both the worst and most overplayed rock band of that entire decade. but as far as i can tell, those odd minor-hits disappeared entirely by the time 2009 had arrived.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 01:45 (nine years ago) link

just as well that i am mookieproofed

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 01:50 (nine years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 00:01 (nine years ago) link

hmm

Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 10:18 (nine years ago) link


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