I was also talking about the sheer numbers, population wise.
Though that hasn't seemed to hurt the 90s indie rock nostalgia/reunion circuit
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 26 January 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
Which is weird because in the 90s I knew a bazillion people who listed to hip-hop and zero people who listened to indie rock.
― The Reverend, Monday, 26 January 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link
There's been a few articles like this floating around in the past few months, FWIW:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/business/media/classic-hip-hop-is-spreading-on-the-radio-dial.html
― etc, Monday, 26 January 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
I saw the LL Cool J/Run DMC show at Barclay's and Eric B was sitting in front of me
― (extremely quan voice) My Lifestyle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 26 January 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link
IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel,
ok lol
― Οὖτις, Monday, 26 January 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
http://open.spotify.com/user/forksclovetofu/playlist/6K4aVwluqiVYsNJikx2NhQmatt, you should buy the piskor slipcase book; it's great.
― Sounds like a forks display name (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
Yeah looks amazing
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
any panel with Russell Simmons in it is lol
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
― (extremely quan voice) My Lifestyle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 26, 2015 2:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
how big of a crowd do they draw nowadays?
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 21:09 (nine years ago) link
hey guys Baz Luhrmann is on top of things for us: http://www.wonderingsound.com/netflix-baz-luhrmann-the-get-down-hip-hop-drama-south-bronx/
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 February 2015 20:29 (nine years ago) link
that's amongst the worst pairings i could think of
― the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 February 2015 20:53 (nine years ago) link
more DiCaprio breakdancing I hope
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 February 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
this should be ....something
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 7 February 2015 03:49 (nine years ago) link
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/02/09/nyregion/at-50-slick-rick-a-hip-hop-pioneer-still-has-stories-to-tell.html?_r=1
slick rick in NYT
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 9 February 2015 22:39 (nine years ago) link
started reading Charney's Big Payback. v entertaining so far, a couple of irl lol anecdotes (like Big Bank Hank receiving a call during the Rapper's Delight recording session that he's been fired from his pizza parlor job). Sylvia Robinson is predictably hatable (also lol at Bambaataa calling Joe Robinson "Joe Rob-a-nigga"). I think in most other genre overviews I would be bored/uninterested in Charney's business-end angle, but the business dealings in this particular genre history are kind of insane enough to justify it.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
yeah i just was looking at that at the library
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 February 2015 17:46 (nine years ago) link
Piskor goes deeper into the details of various songs, people, etc. but Charney's covering a wider sweep and a longer time period
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 17:52 (nine years ago) link
esp curious about this episode Charney mentions where Lou Reed brought Run DMC onto some tv show to perform and they got heckled by white teenagers...? 1984 I think?
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 February 2015 21:22 (nine years ago) link
Lol I don't think "their father had envy so I shot him in the head" is the real line, Charnas
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 February 2015 15:37 (nine years ago) link
Still hoping for a day when every major city has both a contemporary rap station and a classic rap station
― Evan R, Thursday, 19 February 2015 16:14 (nine years ago) link
not much to add other than i have been CANING gang starr and group home and jeru this weekend and would like you to join me in worship at the church of dj premier
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Thursday, 19 February 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
finished the Charnas book. it has its virtues - comprehensive historical sweep, a strong central argument, loads of inside baseball/behind the scenes stuff. But it left me a bit cold. Beyond getting tired of his penchant for Paul Harvey-style narrative setups ("and that lowly unpaid intern with the goofy accent turned out to be.... Lyor Cohen") somewhere around halfway through, at some point all the rhapsodic marveling at the structure of soda endorsement deals and vicious management deal backstabbing began to get kind of gross. I just don't share his enthusiasm for the subject, the "business is AWESOME!" undertone made me more depressed than excited. While Charnas doesn't seem blind to the drawbacks of rap and corporate America getting so thoroughly in bed together, his overarching argument is that this was a net positive because it contributed to the "browning" of America, it desegregated media, it made us more multicultural, and (of course) it gave us Obama. 6 years on though, it's clear that Obama is not the transformational president he (and many others) hoped he would be, America is still really fucking racist, rap is basically dead/no longer the hot cultural commodity on the receiving end of corporate America's rapacious greed, and most black people's lives are still beset by poverty, lack of opportunity, institutional racism, etc. To be fair, Charnas does note in his closing epilogue about Obama that the "economic coattails" of rap's billionaires have turned out to be be pretty short, and it is feel true that a lot of my peers/generation's attitudes about race have been shaped (for the better) by rap ... but I dunno, I'm more cynical about it than he is. I can't really read about 50 becoming a millionaire off the back of Vitamin Water and think that that was a cool or good thing.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 16:58 (nine years ago) link
his point about rap desegregating pop music, charts, media etc. made me wonder what Charnas would think of that "Billboard marginalization of black music" thread, or the fact that rap seems to have largely receded from the pop forefront since Obama took office
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:34 (nine years ago) link
(not that I'm positing a causal relationship about Obama, duh. Just that the book ends in 2008, with rap fully integrated into massive corporate machinery)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:35 (nine years ago) link
anyway, lost gem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbLCLnvctNM
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 March 2015 22:21 (nine years ago) link
oh man i forgot about that good stuff
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 9 March 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
did not know about this:https://medium.com/cuepoint/how-cool-c-and-steady-b-robbed-a-bank-killed-a-cop-and-lost-their-souls-d24d404f120a
― #wegonnabechampionship (Spottie), Thursday, 26 March 2015 07:09 (nine years ago) link
Remember this story can't wait to read that
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 4 April 2015 15:33 (nine years ago) link
missed this thread's existence! The Backspin - which plays old school hip-hop, has evening shows run by Afrika Bambataa and Ed Lover - is one of the sirius stations i flip around on my commute. Even though it's all 15-30 years back now (jesus) it still feels weird to hear whodini and notorious big on the same station, as i still feel that division between "old school" and "new school". I wonder if that's part of the problem with this being a larger market. compare "pop hits from the 60s, 70s and 80s" "rock hits from the 70s, 80s and 90s" "rap hits from the '80s, '90s and '00s" - imo the last feels the hardest to connect
― da croupier, Saturday, 4 April 2015 16:18 (nine years ago) link
Whodini (along with Run-DMC, T La Rock, and others who came after them) were considered the new school!
― The Reverend, Saturday, 4 April 2015 22:10 (nine years ago) link
I mean that just underlines my point
― da croupier, Saturday, 4 April 2015 23:43 (nine years ago) link
New song from Camp Lo and Ski Beats, the guy who produced almost all of Uptown Saturday Night: Black Jesus
― JRN, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:48 (nine years ago) link
ooooh give it to me
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:50 (nine years ago) link
I like it a lot. Short and sweet.
― JRN, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link
they don't fuck with the formula
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link
That's great
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 14 May 2015 22:49 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6pSqO0JGDAsomebody give that guy a billion dollars
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 May 2015 16:35 (eight years ago) link
lol there's footage of that?!
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 May 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
two things i think prevent the emergence of "classic hip-hop": first, "classic" anything relies upon a narrative of cultural stagnation- the notion that there isn't any rock music better than zep, or classical music better than beethoven, or jazz better than _kind of blue_, or whatever.
second, "classic rock" is fundamentally a bourgeois institution, and black culture is simply not bourgeois (due to factors including e.g. massive american institutional racism, the most prominent advocate of black bourgeois culture being a serial rapist, etc.)
― rushomancy, Friday, 22 May 2015 05:51 (eight years ago) link
there are some "Old School" R&B stations in big cities. The one here plays 80s/early 90s hip hop mixes during drive time.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 22 May 2015 09:49 (eight years ago) link
"classic rock" is fundamentally a bourgeois institution, and black culture is simply not bourgeois
care to elaborate here? Like how do these economic and cultural factors intersect
― Οὖτις, Friday, 22 May 2015 15:46 (eight years ago) link
funnily enough a classic hip hop R&B station just started in minneapolis
btw I made a Spotify playlist that puts the EPMD "Jane" saga in chronological order
https://open.spotify.com/user/matthelgeson/playlist/4IUtkiGCTmkOHhk1UqXn4Y
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 14:02 (eight years ago) link
haha nerd
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 15:26 (eight years ago) link
by which I mean awesome
It's sort of a weird thing I can't really think of a parallel in any other group
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 June 2015 01:19 (eight years ago) link
going back to the last revive I recently discovered this 1985 Dr. Dre mix album where's he's playing Egyptian Lover and 2 Live Crew before they moved to Florida
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhGkP9TCdgU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSfxXqg7txI
― The Reverend, Thursday, 11 June 2015 06:35 (eight years ago) link
d'oh, i never published the spotify link:http://open.spotify.com/user/forksclovetofu/playlist/6K4aVwluqiVYsNJikx2NhQ
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 11 June 2015 15:53 (eight years ago) link
The Jane thing is p unusual, and weird that the narrative didn't grow chronologically
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 June 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link
9xp)
oh wow rev i had that on cassette, some of that weird macola stuff would make it's way into the wal-mart in my small town's cutout bin of cassettes
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 June 2015 16:04 (eight years ago) link
wait what is the actual Jane chronology? I think I'm missing one or two songs
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
there's one on every album, so i figured that was the chronology unless one was a prequel
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 17:57 (eight years ago) link
Ah I was wondering if I was missing something in 4 and 5. I do have Who Killed Jane
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 18:06 (eight years ago) link
http://www.egotripland.com/gallery/worst-rap-songs-mix/23267/
man this is rough sledding, hilarious though
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 July 2015 19:50 (eight years ago) link
o wow this is a gift
― you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 July 2015 19:56 (eight years ago) link
matt you mind if i start a thread / poll? this needs more ears.
― you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 July 2015 19:57 (eight years ago) link
got to the happy birthday song, can't wait any longer; THE WORLD MUST KNOW
― you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:10 (eight years ago) link
holy shit
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:22 (eight years ago) link
I remembered Joey Lawrence's musical career, completely forgot David Faustino's
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:28 (eight years ago) link
this brian wilson track is among the worst things i've ever heard under any circumstances including personal tragedies
― you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:34 (eight years ago) link
that one's not new to me. Now this "A to the D" track otoh
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:41 (eight years ago) link
blurb is right that the beat is fine but his rapping and that voice are so wtf
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:44 (eight years ago) link
ha I've always liked that Dragnet rap
― Most Scientifically Beautiful Face (President Keyes), Thursday, 16 July 2015 21:16 (eight years ago) link
i can still kinda remember the bridge
― you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 July 2015 21:25 (eight years ago) link
so to reply to that post i missed on the last revive, time and the development of cultures over time is a basically bourgeois concept because poverty leaves one mired in the everlasting now. it's difficult if not impossible to conceive of a radically different time when one spends most of one's time struggling to meet basic needs.
― rushomancy, Friday, 17 July 2015 01:02 (eight years ago) link
listened to the first four EPMD albums in a row yesterday. was thinking of doing an E vs P poll
― the late great, Friday, 17 July 2015 01:15 (eight years ago) link
but i figured this being ILM parrish would get crushed because of "react"
― the late great, Friday, 17 July 2015 01:16 (eight years ago) link
jesus christ this thread title is impossible to search for
I had never heard of this documentary before, looks awesome:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kSsqWNSQqs
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 19:16 (eight years ago) link
Yeh it's really good, love the live footage and the Lovebug Starski bit near the end
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 22:16 (eight years ago) link
god this thread is nigh impossible to search for
watched the first four eps of Netflix's "Hip Hop Evolution" - some good interviews/footage. Nothing particularly revelatory except for maybe the Schooly D part where he refuses to do an interview unless they bring him a chocolate cake with "STAR OF THE SHOW" written on it
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 December 2016 17:28 (seven years ago) link
haha I just saw that want to check it out this week
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 December 2016 17:34 (seven years ago) link
btw all my posts on this thread are going to be prefaced w how difficult this thread is to search for fyi
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 December 2016 17:40 (seven years ago) link
ha
― Spottie, Monday, 5 December 2016 17:57 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLr2K3v34uc
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:11 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXC9oyNMhcI
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 17 July 2017 14:22 (six years ago) link
Group Home LP about to get a vinyl repress
― Shanty Brunch (stevie), Monday, 17 July 2017 16:10 (six years ago) link
Blu gets a rare CL Smooth guest verse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arzcTCQesgU
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 16:38 (eight months ago) link
also Dare Iz a Darkside still fucking rules so much, jabbering drugged out funk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAJfsjoatyg
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 16:40 (eight months ago) link
Was just thinking that while hip-hop reissues have been a steady lil business for a minute, no one has really done Rhino/Numero-style discography box sets. The only ones I can think of are the Sugarhill set from 1997 (which was Rhino) and the recent Eric B and Rakim box (which was vinyl only w/ 1 CD of rarities)
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 16:53 (eight months ago) link
yeah not a ton in general, there's a bunch of different def jam ones but none of them outside of the original silver one (which had a few early gems) really feature anything too rare
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 16:56 (eight months ago) link
all eyez on me - full dynamic range edition licensed by earache
― brimstead, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 17:00 (eight months ago) link
Like why can't I get CDQ of the 2nd through 6th Kurtis Blow albums?
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 17:01 (eight months ago) link
sadly that early era is in most need of preservation and least likely to get it
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 17:49 (eight months ago) link