Golden era rock: American solo artists vs. British bands

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imho the two best American bands are CCR and the Doors and while they're great bands and all they hardly stand up to the cultural impact Beatles or Floyd had, it's always kind of puzzled me but USA seemed to do a lot better with soloists in classic rock (Elvis, Dylan, James Brown etc.)

You might wanna count The Band as American and maybe I'm wrong when I think of America as USA and not the entire continent, you might also think of Beach Boys as a "band" but I always saw them more as a vocal group than a jammin' band like the Stones. Notable British exception to the rule would be David Bowie.

Anyway, what's the reason for this apparent divide and who are more rocking, American solo artists or British Bands?

Poll Results

OptionVotes
British bands 10
American solo artists 7


niels, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link

this article suggests it's not just a rockist golden era thing http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/07/the-worlds-biggest-bands-are-british-and-its-biggest-solo-artists-are-american/277472/ but to me 60s-early 70s are more interesting, it's all really blurry in the 80s 90s far as I can tell.

niels, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:08 (nine years ago) link

So for starters here's my idea for the American dream team:
Elvis Presley, Bob Dylan, Johnny Cash, James Brown, Bruce Springsteen, Stevie Wonder and Lou Reed (& if including Canada - Neil Young and Leonard Cohen)

And the British counterpart:
Beatles, Stones, Who, Kinks, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath

niels, Monday, 12 January 2015 21:18 (nine years ago) link

no women?

strychnine, Monday, 12 January 2015 21:35 (nine years ago) link

Lou Reed is cheating - Velvet Underground

Vic Perry, Monday, 12 January 2015 22:30 (nine years ago) link

Fleetwood Mac throws this discussion into a meltdown.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 January 2015 22:37 (nine years ago) link

USA wasn't so shabby with bands:

The Stooges, VU, Steely Dan, Funkadelic, Love

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 12 January 2015 22:41 (nine years ago) link

Voting british for the jimi hendrix experience

Ottbot jr (NickB), Monday, 12 January 2015 22:48 (nine years ago) link

Fleetwood Mac throws this discussion into a meltdown.

― Johnny Fever, Monday, January 12, 2015 5:37 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and it was a rollicking one to begin with

marcos, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 01:31 (nine years ago) link

playing in a group covers up the sound of the british people's britishness, it's unhideable when they're solo

j., Tuesday, 13 January 2015 02:46 (nine years ago) link

Lou Reed may be cheating because of VU, but VU can't really count as American band with Cale as founding member?

Fleetwood falls out of categories apart from mk1 with Green, McVie, Fleetwood - but "golden era" Mac is ofc a beautiful US/UK thing.

No great/huge british female bands from that era afaik but could definitely add Aretha and maybe Joplin to the American solo artists - Joni too if counting Canada.

I'd say Jimi counts as solo American but I see your point...

niels, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 09:39 (nine years ago) link

Interesting how heavy the British are into the blues, while the Americans you mentioned, not so much.

SCOTTISH PEOPLE ONLY (I M Losted), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 13:35 (nine years ago) link

Van Morrison did OK, as I remember, people seemed to like him I think.

Peas Be Upon Ham (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 13:38 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, Bowie and Van Morrison are UK exceptions to the rule of thumb and the Doors, CCR and possibly the Band are US exceptions - still the imbalance is interesting.

niels, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 14:27 (nine years ago) link

It seems like the big British bands largely took the lead of the Stones and went in a Blues direction, whereas American/Canadian bands went more for Folk and Country. I don't know where the Doors fit into this except that they're terrible.

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 15:44 (nine years ago) link

honestly I'd rather listen to CCR, The Band, The Byrds, Flying Burrito Brothers, Buffalo Springfield, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, etc. than Zep or the Stones most of the time.

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 15:51 (nine years ago) link

thread reminds me i never did get round to polling the mc5 vs the dc5

Ottbot jr (NickB), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link

"VU can't really count as American band with Cale as founding member" Come on.

Vic Perry, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link

Sly & The Family Stone, Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead, The Byrds --- 60s American bands huge on both popularity & cultural impact measures.

Vic Perry, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 16:56 (nine years ago) link

niels is onto a real pattern though, even with the many exceptions or sometimes arbitrary picks

The American pattern dates way back. Country and Blues and Jazz performers far more often billed with their own name than as bands, and so were big 50s rock: Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, etc. The Crickets soon are Buddy Holly & , The Miracles are soon Smokey Robinson & , The Supremes are soon Diana Ross & .

Meanwhile giant English personalities mostly avoided primary billing, playing behind a band name while becoming household names anyway. Good case study: Eric Clapton, a very big deal in the 60s, went through a series of bands, just way out of his way not to lead with his own name, until finally the mid-70s.

Vic Perry, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 18:15 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Saturday, 28 February 2015 00:01 (nine years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Sunday, 1 March 2015 00:01 (nine years ago) link

Regarding VU, I have always thought of them as a US band but it's true that if you consider Cale and the fact that on their most famous album, some of the most famous songs are sung by a german woman, it's not totally silly to consider the european input...

AlXTC from Paris, Sunday, 1 March 2015 09:33 (nine years ago) link

US is a melting pot

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 2 March 2015 00:02 (nine years ago) link


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