I'm kinda shocked by how little focus he puts on rapping here. He sort of disappears into a lot of these songs.
It's not exactly that he lacks presence, it's just the wrong kind of presence for these beats. Also SOPHIE can gtf.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:44 (six years ago) link
i liked many songs off summertime, i like a few here, but man he needs how to write a fuckin song
― nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:58 (six years ago) link
*needs to learn how
The grey-scale minimalism worked perfectly for him on Summertime, but no need to do it again I guess. I'd love to hear Ka produce a whole record for him though.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link
I love Ka but I can't imagine Vince on those near-ambient type beats
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:24 (six years ago) link
yeah if anything his best tracks are the loud busy ones, "Hands Up" "Blue Suede" "Norf Norf"
― Evan R, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link
Norf Norf and Blue Suede are really minimal too though (but in a normal drums + 808 + synth line way)
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 21:55 (six years ago) link
The "I ain't run from nuthin' but The police" and those Joy Division synths are what I remember about "Norf Norf."
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link
http://pigeonsandplanes.com/in-depth/2017/06/vince-staples-big-fish-theory-producer-interview
When you're a producer and someone asks you for beats, you think, "Okay, let me think about their last record.” So I sent some beats that reminded me of Summertime '06 that were kind of "Vince Staples type beats" (laughs). But then I realized that wasn’t what he was looking for from me. He really didn't want me to project any sort of idea about what he might want.
So, then I started going over and hanging out with him at Ty's house and played beats for him—going to the weirdest ones that I thought he wouldn’t like. And he kept saying, "Yeah, go in that direction." One of those was the beat that became "Crabs In a Bucket," which was kind of my take on UK garage with swing drums. Around September of last year, I realized that was the sound he was listening to. He was listening to Detroit music and house music and just electronic music of all kinds.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 22:51 (six years ago) link
Yeah that's the thing, this is obviously the album he wanted to make. It's not like it's Vince Staples rapping plus some other music, it's all Vince Staples music.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 29 June 2017 04:16 (six years ago) link
production sounds hella metallic on my headphones, kinda harsh
― j., Thursday, 29 June 2017 04:42 (six years ago) link
i like Vince but my friend said he sounded like Siri and that made me lol
― Unchanging Window (Ross), Thursday, 29 June 2017 05:26 (six years ago) link
I really like the back third, like from Homage on.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 29 June 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
Vince on Hot 97 w/Ebro
Probably the best interview with a rapper I've seen in forever, starts with Rosenberg trying to goad him into shitting on Tyga, then Vince completely in a very real and human way cuts through all that shit, calling him out without causing a beef, and then really gets into his life and the industry and analyzing the media in a very brilliant way. highly recommended
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMS9J26kctI
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 June 2017 16:06 (six years ago) link
Vince seems to usually be the smartest guy in any room he's in. for that reason alone i'ma trust his re-direction on Big Fish Theory
― alpine static, Thursday, 29 June 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link
i enjoy this album for the most part, but i wish vince would attack the beat a little bit more, instead of the weirdly passive approach he takes on this album. he seems much less confident than usual, maybe because of the unfamiliar musical surroundings.
when kendrick pops up for his verse on yeah right, it's such a burst of energy and a major contrast to vince's approach throughout the album
― black covfefe in bed (voodoo chili), Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:20 (six years ago) link
Finally circling back to this to see if my initial "oh my god" reaction was a fluke
It wasn't; I am not sure what everyone who hates/dislikes this is reacting against.
― a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
I think I get it (the ratio of rapping:not-rapping is unusual for what is ostensibly a rap record, especially a relatively short one; the beats are unorthodox in a possibly "dated" way; etc.) but I also think those are p dumb and unimaginative criticisms
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:15 (six years ago) link
I think I also hear what people are saying about him not being in MC "attack mode" or whatever but again I'm not sure it's really a problem against these beats (apologies if I am strawmanning anyone's complaints)
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:20 (six years ago) link
It's funny that people think the beats are dated because, (I'm guessing?) the whole 2-step rhythms/Disclosure thing was like 2013? But I think texturally they're really forward-thinking in like a Flume/PC Music/FlyLo kind of way? Like trying to anticipate where beats are headed in the same way that, like, Charli XCX's recent stuff is. Remove a little of the rhythm and the Sophie stuff is not too far from what, like, Chino Amobi or Oneohtrix Point Never or w/e is doing
― Sutcliffe Juugin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
There's really only one part that sounds 2-steppy. And knowing that Seckoff is an L.A. beat scene kid who went to London and got interested in UK club music, the sound makes a lot of sense.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
― nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:58 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this has stuck in my head, I don't think its true, & even if it may be it doesn't really matter
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:15 (six years ago) link
the beats sound super-modern to me.
― billstevejim, Saturday, 15 July 2017 05:46 (six years ago) link
watched vince's first weekend coachella set and it was great
as a bonus, he gave us this interviewhttp://www.vulture.com/2018/04/vince-staples-calls-out-r-kelly-during-coachella-interview.html
― mh, Monday, 23 April 2018 14:46 (six years ago) link
new album out tonight apparently
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 15:14 (five years ago) link
prediction: worse than the last one
― imago, Thursday, 1 November 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link
nah i have high hopes, kenny beats production is a good sign
― devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
I like the album cover
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Thursday, 1 November 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
last one felt like a misstep rather than a falling off, at least i hope i'm right.
― devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
I like the last one a lot.
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 November 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link
didn't hate it but none of it was as indelible as most of Summertime '06
― devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
apparently this new one is more of a stopgap / EP type deal.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM!
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 19:44 (five years ago) link
no static at alllll
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 20:55 (five years ago) link
"Fun!" features additional vocals by E-40
fuck yeah
― devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
they already collabed on a (kinda irritating, tbh) song earlier this year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iWJT9iUZKA
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 20:59 (five years ago) link
I don't really know Kenny Beats but I love that VS is sticking with a single producer (or very few) per record, I trust his aesthetic sense.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link
xp yeah the new one was a bit staid, 40 on a staples song a much more exciting prospect to me atm
― devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:09 (five years ago) link
im interested in hearing what Kenny has cooked up for Vince, he's a versatile guy who can work in many modes. He's all over the Rico Nasty album, he's done things for TDE, he's capable of doing dirty south things for guys like Key! and YoungBoy. Hard to pin down.
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:13 (five years ago) link
the same guy who made this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D4happ4TQU
made this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWQFpLuOzkY
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link
and this (gonna stop spamming a single artist thread with unrelated embeds now): https://youtu.be/VvsYa9hcFH0
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link
listening now, very good so far. a lot more dynamic, less imposing than big fish theory
― devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 22:52 (five years ago) link
beats are great
as far as sub 25 minute 2018 rap albums go: Vince >>> Pusha
― devvvine, Friday, 9 November 2018 16:04 (five years ago) link
New album????
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link
it's just ok, imo
― bart harley-jarvis cocker (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 20:00 (two years ago) link
same but i need to give it another listen
― Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 20:58 (two years ago) link
seemed a little dispiriting in a wayi was excited because i generally love kenny beats
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 21:34 (two years ago) link
"dispiriting" has been my general feeling re his last few releases. I don't detect a lot of enjoyment.
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 21:52 (two years ago) link
ever since he started spouting landlord shit about art his music went bad tbh
― imago, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 22:06 (two years ago) link