buckingham nicks mcvie

so many christine mcvie songs are not v good

hi plax!

i would vote nicks in any of the eras

darn, thought thread title was buckingham nicks movie for a second.

The correct answer depends wholly on what kind of mood I'm in.

hi horseshoe!

how much did nicks write in the tango in the night era??

thought she was too wasted

mcvie

if you had asked me five years ago it would've been buckingham

stevie wrote my favorite mac song ("storms") but her songs on tango suck

this is inspired by watching the classic albums show and theres a bit where christine mcvie is p snotty about stevie nicks songwriting and i mean whatever stevie nicks songs are often p meaningless but dont be so rude christine!

should have phrased this who is the worst

that way you can choose TWO favourites

they all seem like they would be really rude except stevie nicks maybe but i bet she is really rude as well. but then sometimes like way too polite.

Though my favorite Fleetwood Mac tune is probably Brown Eyes I still voted Buckingham.

stevie obv. gonna win this in a...ahem.

theres a bit where christine mcvie is p snotty about stevie nicks

iirc buckingham also does this all the time, describing her songwriting as "open-ended" or unstructured or something like that. but that's why i like it, when it's good! the "gypsy" bridge is going absolutely nowhere and it's great

def would have gone with buckingham back in the day but honestly just can't pick now

There was a bit in the Stevie doc from a couple years ago about how she and Lindsey almost got in a knockdown drag out fight over how one of her verses was in first person and another was in third person in the same song.

lol i mean its obviously so fine to switch perspectives mid song

Misleading thread titles: Would buy tickets for a band that was Buckingham, Nicks, John McVie and an excellent drummer.

sometimes wish that buckingham nicks album had been a big hit and they had never joined fm

yeah i'm not looking for that Rumors-less timeline myself

McVie > Buckingham > Nicks

lol

oh wait are you serious?

yes?

or are you telling me what order they joined the band in

my favorite FM songs are "Don't Stop" and "Say You Love Me" and "You Make Loving Fun" so I am 100% serious. not trying to get into a stupid argument about my personal opinion.

i still love stevie nicks fwiw

i'm pretty much in agreement but they're not separated by too much in my preference

my favorite FM songs are "Don't Stop" and "Say You Love Me" and "You Make Loving Fun"

Wow, these are songs I'd never say I hate, but they are the ones I reliably skip when I know they're coming.

so many of her supposedly good songs are actually terrible i cannot describe how annoying everywhere is to me

I love love love Everywhere. But I like Seven Wonders even more and everybody else seems to hate that one (I know it's a Stevie song...sort of).

some of mcvie's best cuts are from this era imo

Fleetwood Mac between Peter Green and Buckingham/Nicks

so funny also to think of these middle aged people being like a fresh pop act

"you make loving fun" is unbelievable

i am willing to accept that there is all this excellent mcvie material hidden on bob welch albums but this is not so tempting

brad otm

there are admittedly some really great christine mcvie songs up until tusk

over and over for example

"hold me" is like the best song on mirage

ymmv if you don't like christine as much but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhjdNvxF6eQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xJF-x9XJio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIARC-2ji6I

imo with christine there's oddly no middle ground between the transcendent and the clunker.

I'm listening to Behind the Mask right now (why? because I obviously hate myself). If there were more songs like "Save Me" on this album, Lindsey's departure might not have been as big a deal as it was. One of Christine's strongest post-Rumours songs.

She's so good at verse-chorus-verse with little subtle harmonic curlicues that she's easy to underestimate.

Christine's best album is Tango. She runs away with the thing.

alfred otm

buckingham hands fucking down

the "Nightbird" performance that same night is fantastic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQzY97UCXns

Completely tangential, but one of the things that intrigues me is how every once in a while Stevie constructs her sentences in odd ways. It shows up in your Scarlett clip, Josh, around 2:16, when she says, "And we have already many times laughed and said 'where's my maid? and why are these chickens here?'".

Similarly there's an interview from the Bella Donna period where she's talking about Prince coming over to her house to collab (on Stand Back): "And he showed up, not long later."

Here it is, roundabout the 7 min mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuPCUMoDc6M

Where does this grammar come from?

Drugs.

From whence does this grammar spill? From decades of drugs abuse it may.

I dunno. It's not incoherent really, just odd, almost like a poetic construction. I don't hear other long term druggies coming up with such phrasings, do you?

No, not really. But I do hear a lot of people who are smart but relatively uneducated (or self-educated) putting their sentences together in oddly ornate ways. Like Stallone does.

Away put your coke! I mean you no harm

my guess is 50% drugs, 50% the same thing that drives people to put scarves on lampshades

http://earnthis.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/BeNotNobody.jpg

stevie officiated her wedding recently

Lol

(Xp)

Or to wear leotards while sporting wooden balls

in the box set there's a photo of Stevie shooting a Polaroid pic while sitting clothed on the toilet. It's where I wrote my best songs, she said, including the ones "you hear" on the radio.

I want ornate Stallone sentences right now!! (I really do, always figured him smart but never read any interviews)

Sit on my toilet Stevie Nicks

Choose only one huh?
http://37.media.tumblr.com/568c4e88f6b7b4f0593b82c688346724/tumblr_n5c2fh0OsB1tziohao1_250.gif

I want ornate Stallone sentences right now!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iN_h547_Fg

http://www.rogerebert.com/interviews/interview-with-sylvester-stallone

They'd ask me questions which I, as an actor, knew nothing about, and I was so enchanted by the sound of my own chatter that I'd spout off my opinions. One day I was doing that on the Dinah Show. And after the show was over, this innocuous-looking gentleman walked up to me. His eyes were glistening. He said one thing: 'Why are you doing this?' Then he turned and walked away.

Poetry.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

checks out

Where does this grammar come from?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHvD9MSchU

christine's songs are great; can't believe there's any debate over this.

granted, "don't stop" is awful, but i blame the whole band for that.

i love dont stop but hear it as more desperate than, say, the clinton administration did

if "don't stop" actually played any part in getting clinton elected -- after 12 years of reagan and bush -- that just makes the song that much better.

Well, we got eight more years of Reaganism but ooooooohh doncha look baaaack

i realize i brought it up in the first place, but not gonna argue politics on a fleetwood mac thread.

i'd rather argue about the unfair treatment of nicks in these poll results.

there's no way the results of the poll wouldn't be fair unless each person got 6 votes

would be fair i mean

there's no way the results of the poll wouldn't be fair unless each person got 6 votes

I'm sure they all got their lawyers and managers on it right away.

lol

This doc is awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQOjptfZLJ4

Fave moment is probably around 23:40, where Lindsey basically says my way or the highway, either release a double album or I will take all my songs and release my own album.

Second fave around 4:50, when Stevie arrives at the studio with a dreamcatcher.

My favorite bit is when Buckingham questions Mick and when the nine-foot-tall drummer glowers and rises to his full height you suddenly realize that Buckingham may be the genius but it's Mick Fleetwood's fucking band.

I like when they interview 2 of the 3 managers about the double album.

man Fleetwood realizes what even in 2003 Buck doesn't: Buck can realize solo albums that sell low five figures because he's in Fleetwood fucking Mac.

My favorite bit is when Buckingham questions Mick and when the nine-foot-tall drummer glowers and rises to his full height you suddenly realize that Buckingham may be the genius but it's Mick Fleetwood's fucking band.

Tell it to Mick c. "Tango" when he was living on a steady diet of coke in a camper van parked on Lindsey's property.

xpost Eh, if that fame really ported over then Bucky would be playing to thousands of people in clubs rather than hundreds.

yeah but Mick's leadership has never been questioned, and it's more certain now that he's off drugs.

Don't Stop is great, even if you hate it. Some things are beyond good and evil.

I dunno. I think Mick abdicated his leadership position, or at least Bucky took over in something akin to a bloodless coup. While Mick is awesome, it's been Bucky since Tusk - his indulgences, his compromises, his cooperation. Bucky was the only one, besides Christine (I think), who did not have a serious substance abuse problem, and I think Mick understands the band hangs on him now. Especially ever since the "Behind the Mask" debacle.

(Is Behind the Mask a debacle? I've never heard it.)

You can be essential without being a leader.

I dunno if the band has a leader so much as a person shouting loudest at the moment

The McVie songs on BTM, the only ones I've heard, stick to her tried-and-true and don't sound particularly tacky but no special touches either. I do remember "Save Me" getting airplay.

i doubt anyone's said "guys fleetwood mac needs to do something" more than mick, the other 3 show their power by saying they DON'T need to do something.

and then there's john.

and then there's john

...who has a ton to do with what makes them sound so great. i've always heard fm as very much mick and john's band; the name of the band is no accident. without 'em, the others would just be three very good singer-songwriters, all of whom benefited as much if not more from the rhythm section as the rhythm section benefited from them.

I've always thought the distance between the B/N album and the s/t/ FM record to be not so great. I love the Mick and John rhythm section, but not least because they adapted so well to Bucky's vision. And probably got even better because of it.

i doubt anyone's said "guys fleetwood mac needs to do something" more than mick

No doubt, says the only member of FM who spent a considerable time bankrupt. Either way, this was a good read: http://www.nytimes.com/1997/11/30/business/talking-money-with-mick-fleetwood-there-s-no-stopping-tomorrow.html

sister stopped by this place on her money, said it was pretty surreal - lots of paintings of himself

http://www.fleetwoodsonfrontst.com/

on her honeymoon, i meant to write. gah