― Tom, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Josh, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― the pinefox, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Search: anything written abt the first UK tour (1965?), said (well,
someone once said it to me) to be the LOUDEST thing anyone had till
then heard. Not prettines: VOLUME. You don't get that on the records.
Destroy: anything anyone has ever called Byrdsy.
― mark s, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
(And what about Duane Allman, or one of those dudes?)
My opinions on which of his albums was 'best' change from day to day but I suspect you're reacting a bit too strongly to ALS's being highly rated.
All the songs on Mr. Tambourine Man are gorgeous, euphoric. I
haven't listened to their later songs in a long time, but 'Chestnut
Mare' stands out. I mean there's a point when you can imagine the
guy throwing the lasso - infinitely gentle but a conquest nonetheless
- what a great idea for a song!
I didn't know what 'Bells of Rhymney' was about until now, but that
makes it interesting. At the end of Fifth Dimension, two of
the band members talk for a long time, and it's all about the
idealism of the sixties in the U.S. So it could just have been
profound innocence and optimism at that stage that made them decide
to perform a song about a disaster as a 'pop-art abstracted jangle' -
not that this is something that needs to be defended. If indie pop
bands look back to the Byrds, it must be for this reason.
― youn, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
As for the Byrds, Classic of course. Don't know of many other
bands with at least four great songwriters - Gene Clark,
McGuinn, Hillman and even Crosby back in the day - who could
also sing, play, produce etc. Everything after 'Sweetheart of the
Radio' is patchy, and DESTROY the terrible 'reunion' alb they
made in the early 70s.
― Andrew L, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― gareth, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
The M/H/C/C/C line up did Mr Tambourine Man/Turn!Turn!Turn!/Fifth
Dimension. (OK, I know Gene was missing for most of 3D) All
excellent, especially the debut and 3D. I always felt that TTT has a
couple of slow songs (He was a Friend of Mine/Lay Down Your Weary
tune) which drag compared to the debut, and some of the harmonies are
sicklier than they need to be. It does contain Gene Clark's
monumental "The World Turns All Around Her" though. Each of these
three albums contains one abomination - We'll Meet Again, Oh Susanna!
and The Lear Jet Song respectively.
Part 2, exit Gene, but Chris Hillman ALMOST makes up for this
on "Younger Than Yesterday" by writing Time Between/Girl with No Name
and and a couple of others. We're heading in a Country-ish direction
though. Watch Out! Oh, and best song is Crosby's "Everbody's Been
Burned", although he deserves to be horribly disfigured for
subjecting us to the horror that is "Mind Gardens". Ignoring this
horror - another great album. Less than a year on, and Crozza has
gone too, but contributed some good stuff to the heady "Notorious
Byrds Brothers". Surprise, surprise it's great too, but very
different to what went before. McGuinn this time supplies the
obligatory clunker with "Space Oddessey", which also serves as
the "song about space flight or flying" which all Byrds albums must
have. Best track - Goffin and King's "Goin' Back.
So parts one and two - Classic. On to Phase 3, and this is where it
gets choppy. I have never understood the attraction of Gram Parsons,
and just cannot get into "Sweetheart of the Rodeo". Just too country
for me, I guess. I also think that McGuinn's reputation is extremely
tarnished from here on in. For a start, as 'leader' of the band he
doesn't exactly contribute many good songs. Then again, maybe he
never did - if I had to make a c-90 of the best of the Byrds, I'd
start with Gene Clark's songs, cherry pick from Crosby, put on all of
Chris Hillman's and THEN get onto McGuinn. The other big problem is
that he let some real fools into the band, and what's worse - let
them WRITE! Yep, Skip Battin I mean YOU! And Gene Parsons.
While I'm on the subject of Parsons' - has there ever been a drummer
more unsuited to the band he found himself in? Clearly the Byrds
needed a sympahetic, supportive drummer to replace M. Clarke. What do
they get - a flash, domineering idiot who couldn't keep time. Just
listen to the live side of "Untitled" or the Fillmore album if you
don't believe me.
The last phase is not without merit - you get Clarence White's
boggling country-psyche picking, and "Untitled" is a spirited effort,
but to me The Byrds means "Mr Tambourine Man through
to "Notorious...", and is effortlessly Classic.
― Dr. C, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Point of information: as far as I can make out, the lyric
of 'Chestnut Mare' is based on a tall tale at the beginning of
Ibsen's Peer Gynt, with a horse substituted for a stag. This may not
be quite right: there may have been another, more local source which
had the same root as Ibsen; or McGuinn and Ibsen might both have been
drawing on a very old source. But the resemblance (and genealogical
relation) is not in doubt.
Strange feature of the interview on the end of the CD: McGuinn and
Crosby taking each others' names.
McGuinn has never been coy about acknowledging Coltrane, as far as I
know - he's always seemed up-front about it to me, almost to the
point of banging on excessively. I certainly don't hold that against
the Byrds; and indeed I like it when people say that 'Eight Miles
High' is their favourite 45 of all time.
Please don't Destroy anyone who's ever been called Byrdsy. I'm all
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― mark s, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― norman fay, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
i hate country music.
search: _chronic town_, _murmur_, husker du's take on "eight miles
― sundar subramanian, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Don't worry about it Sundar, nobody's perfect ;).
The Byrds = Classic. I don't listen to them all that often, but they
sing pretty and I've liked almost everything I've heard by them.
― Patrick, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
So, Search for : "I know my Rider" and "Eight Miles High [RCA version]
(extra tracks on the reissue of 5D)
"All The Things" (from Untitled), "Don't Make Waves" (extra track on
reissue of Younger than Yesterday), "She Don't Care about Time" (2
versions n the re-issue of TTT)
― Dr. C, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
get out those Joe Cocker records! Soul baby!
― Pete, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Andrew L, Saturday, 2 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― mark s, Saturday, 2 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
BTW, when Rog McGuinn first got his small Moog Modular system, he was
completely stumped by it. He called Bob Moog, and was reportedly told
that if he didn't know how to use it, then he shouldn't have bought
This is as nothing compared to the other early synth pioneer Donald
Buchla. I heard of one fellow who bought a used buchla system, and
phoned buchla & co for service info. Buchla then phoned up the guy
bought it off, and shouted abuse down the phone along the lines
DARE YOU SELL THE INSTRUMENT i CUSTOM MADE FOR YOU!!!"
Moog modular synthesisers are available new from a company called moog
custom engineering, but IMO those wishing to record moog ragas of
very own would be advised to check out:
― Norman Fay, Saturday, 2 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― DG, Saturday, 2 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Earliest ref to the Indian influence I can find is that in late '65,
McGuinn used his Rickenbacker guitar to simulate the sound of
a Sitar on the track "Why' ; first version of 'Eight Miles High'
recorded at the same session. So quite early, but dunno if it
predates 'Paint it Black' and George Harrison's first 'Eastern'
influenced songs. And yes, "someone shd do something on
how Folkways as a whole got unrock noises into the rock
bloodstream." - I'll read it if you write it! The Smithsonian Institute
are currently reissuing many of the old albs (many on CD-R!),
and I have a pretty comprehensive catalogue for this, so I might
do a bit more digging...
― Andrew L, Sunday, 3 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
The raga stuff: so is it a case of parallel
evolution (which is, like, not impossible) or
is it chart-pop rivals jockeying for Best Use
of this Week's Gimmick (which is the Secret
Story of Rock, 64-68)? Lennon-McCartney
(latter esp.) made a project of study of their
whippersnapper competitors: could they
even have been researching Byrds out-takes?
Folkways: It's another whole chapter. Oh joy.
Or is that Oh fuck.
― mark s, Sunday, 3 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― tarden, Sunday, 3 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Dr. C, Sunday, 3 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Brilliant: I knew the Byrds would one day
deliver something of massive pleasure to me,
and this is it. Respeck, Dr C.
(Actually when I was playing them earlier
today the only track I wanted to give a
second listen was 'Mind Gardens'! They're
probably my number-one Yes-yes-I-know-
else-now-please? band... Guess I must still
not be playing them loud enough.)
...and shudder in astonishment as FT actually prints something which
is WELL-RESEARCHED (or *at all* researched)
― Tom, Sunday, 3 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Dr. C, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― mark s, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Heaven knows I'm miserable now.
― Nicole, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
I am a convert, needless to say.
― Dr. C, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
But I am reviving now to say: THE PREFLYTE SESSIONS: SEARCH! Or Destroy, whatever you want. I just want to hear some views on that collection. 'You Movin'' - wow!
― the byrdfox, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:48 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:54 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:00 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:01 (7 years ago) Permalink
I haven't listened to The Byrds for ages, apart from Untitled. I enjoyed the live stuff especially and I am forced to concede that I was possibly too harsh on Gene Parsons upthread. S.Battin is still a tool.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:10 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:14 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:15 (7 years ago) Permalink
I'm amazed I didn't rise to the bait of the Doc ragging on Gene Parsons, because I'm a great admirer of his solo "The Kindling Album". His LP "Melodies" is less good, despite the promising title.
I think "Yesterday's Train" is beautiful, even.
I've never heard "Pre-Flyte", having always worked on the assumption that I don't really like The Byrds pre-Gram. I have a horrible feeling that this is a contrarian position I once took, sometime around 1987, and then the wind changed and I got stuck like that.
Perhaps I have some treats in store.
― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:34 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:36 (7 years ago) Permalink
I never quite understood what he intended to do with the horse once he caught it.
― dog latin, Thursday, 12 November 2009 19:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
feel like someone on ILM recommended it on another Byrds thread, but that Live At Royal Albert Hall thing that came out a few years back is incredible. Better than Untitled!
― tylerw, Thursday, 12 November 2009 19:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
i agree, tyler.
when he caught the horse they were gonna be friends for live, obv.
― ian, Thursday, 12 November 2009 20:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
just like a wife ... hmmm.
― tylerw, Thursday, 12 November 2009 20:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
haven't heard this but hey: http://martiansboots.blogspot.com/2009/11/byrds-at-fillmore-west-jan-4-1970.html
― tylerw, Thursday, 12 November 2009 20:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
Is there like a career-spanning Clarence White comp? Would buy.
― tylerw, Thursday, 12 November 2009 20:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
Don't know of a comp but do you keep up with the blog Adios Lounge? He's been doing a pretty exhaustive recap of White's career, full of audio and video. He writes these posts off and on so search by category at his site, then start at the oldest one and go forward.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Friday, 13 November 2009 00:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
!!! Nice, exactly what I had in mind.
― tylerw, Friday, 13 November 2009 00:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
What's with the floating German ghost lady?
― Bloggers Might Ride (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 13 November 2009 02:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
if john york had stuck around for the last few records things would have been much improved. his voice blended really well with mcguinn and battin's kim fowley co-writes are mostly dud. also, you can tell from some of the live recordings from the york era that he gave them more of a hard edge. battin was serviceable but more of a mellow jam sort of guy
― velko, Friday, 13 November 2009 03:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
― velko, Friday, 13 November 2009 03:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
Fifth Dimension sounds like the best album ever tonight; even "Captain Soul"! "I Come And Stand At Every Door" is spectral doom: "I need no fruit, I need no rice / I need no sweets nor even bread". Almost every song has an undercurrent of immanent disaster; and they weren't wrong, just two years early.
― Yah Kid A (Euler), Saturday, 21 November 2009 20:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
Clarence White was just ridiculous.
― feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will), Saturday, 21 November 2009 21:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
listening to Untitled for the first time ever...live half didn't do much for me (the "Eight Miles High" was kinda ridiculous) but the studio side is very nice, intricate folk rock; the guitar parts (bass included) are interesting, and the vocals are suitably restrained.
Also, having relistened to the entire Byrds oeuvre through Untitled so far in the last day or so, I'll point out the obvious: these guys covered Dylan a lot. There's an interview on one of the reissues, Notorious or Sweetheart maybe, where McGuinn says that they're kinda over covering Dylan, because they've found their own songwriting voice...but then Dr. Byrds has two Dylan songs (and a third if you count bonus tracks).
― Yah Kid A (Euler), Sunday, 22 November 2009 16:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
i know it's one of their Official Classix and everything, but i think turn! turn! turn! (the song) is their best moment.
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 2 July 2010 16:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's unfortunate that the song has been sort of ruined (for me) by 60s montages on TV.
― Trip Maker, Friday, 2 July 2010 16:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, it is definitely one of those songs that has passed into the realm of cliche. but if you can turn all that off, it is pretty gorgeous, isn't it?
― tylerw, Friday, 2 July 2010 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's a great song. I like it enough that seeing Papa M do an instrumental cover in concert was kind of thrilling tbh.It was probably my first favorite Byrds song.
― Trip Maker, Friday, 2 July 2010 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Turn! Turn! Turn!" and "Mr. Tambourine Man" are two of the most overplayed songs ever that I don't switch off when they come on the radio. I could list 10 Byrds songs I love more, but neither one is dead for me yet.
― clemenza, Friday, 2 July 2010 16:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
listening to John Reilly and What's Happening?! today, hazy summer bliss
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
― (ㅅ) (am0n), Monday, 29 November 2010 17:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Trip Maker, Monday, 29 November 2010 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
that's the jam
― gospodin simmel, Monday, 29 November 2010 18:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
haha, those dancers in the "nowhere" clip are rad. almost like they're dancing to a completely different song.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 November 2010 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
i've always been a little confused by the byrds' status in the late 60s -- were they seen as kinda passe at that point? i guess they just don't show up on a lot of those big festival movies.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 November 2010 19:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
Crosby seemed to think so.
― Trip Maker, Monday, 29 November 2010 19:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, i guess at that point, the byrds might've been "that band David Crosby used to be in." s'pose the fact that mcguinn was the only original member left made a difference too, no matter how awesome the clarence white-era band was.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 November 2010 20:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
What's weird to me is how quick the transition was. They always seemed like such distinct entities to me; the original lineup, the sweetheart aberration, the revamped rockers.But all three of those things existed in 1968. Fucked up year, to say the least.
― Trip Maker, Monday, 29 November 2010 20:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, no kidding! sort of amazing there was a byrds at the end of all of it. seems like the easiest thing to do would be for mcguinn to start a solo career, but the namebrand thing must've been too much to drop.
― tylerw, Monday, 29 November 2010 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
"(Untitled)" is a really good album, especially with the unreleased tracks on the last CD reissue. It's kind of a shame that it didn't really give them the fresh start they were hoping. They definitely had a cool sound, much more muscular on some of the rockers and twangy when needed with Clarence White on guitar and good drummer with Gene Parsons. Really in some ways it was way more of a 'band' than the original group, which used a bunch of ringers on the earlier studio stuff. I suppose the fact that McGuinn was the only one left kind of made them seem lame to some. If they would have had a single that would have really landed, it might have been really different, but that is kind of the case of the 2nd half of the Byrds career. There was a lot of music happening in 68-70 to say the least, so I could see how a band, even one with a rep like the Byrds could get lost.
"seems like the easiest thing to do would be for mcguinn to start a solo career"
From what I get reading into all of this, the Byrds were pretty much broke so they were playing live a bunch to kill off some debt. That's the thing I got from an article about Clarence White. It might have been a situation like when Led Zep first toured as the Yardbirds at the beginning...I don't know.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 23:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
1200 pages apparently! good lord.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Trip Maker, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol at volume 1 ! guess the second volume is supposed to be about the members' post byrds careers ...
― tylerw, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
I love that Michael can't keep a straight face in that photo.Who are they kidding? Nice branch, Crosby!
― Trip Maker, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm sure cros was like "this branch ... means something, man!"
― tylerw, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
So this is "Timeless Flight" expanded again?
― fit and working again, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i think so. you'd think rogan would be so sick of the byrds by now.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
He believed it played a part in the Kennedy assassination, iirc.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 20:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha. i actually haven't read timeless flight -- it's good?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 21:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
Timeless Flight is very good.
― fit and working again, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 22:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Tempted to buy this, despite having bought 2 previous versions of "Timeless Flight". One of my all time favourite music books.
― Wandering Boy Poet, Thursday, 23 February 2012 13:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah looking forward to reading it. guess it hasn't been published in the US yet? or something?http://www.amazon.com/Byrds-Requiem-Timeless-Johnny-Rogan/dp/0952954087/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1318659492&sr=8-2
― tylerw, Thursday, 23 February 2012 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
I just went through that. Yeah if you look at amazon.co.uk you will see it.
― Can You Please POLL Out Your Window? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 23 February 2012 22:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
This guy had a deeeep trove, much of it West Coast buckskin, much of it Byrds and related--all crashed with Mega Mama, but he's re-posting, with Chris Hillman and Friends at the top of this page, Untitled-era live Byrds at the bottom, Flying Burritos etc in between, and might not be long til he restores Byrds x FBBhttp://bbchron.blogspot.com/
― dow, Thursday, 23 February 2012 22:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i grabbed that fbb/byrds gig before it went down -- very fun stuff!
― tylerw, Thursday, 23 February 2012 22:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
― buzza, Monday, 30 July 2012 07:47 (9 months ago) Permalink
Just reminded my first copy of Timeless flight was a thin paperback back in the 80s. then got the one from like 10 years ago & been wondering how necessary an update was on that.Got the John Einarson Gene Clark book to read sometime in near future too.
― Stevolende, Monday, 30 July 2012 10:46 (9 months ago) Permalink
did anyone read that latest version of rogan's bio?
― fit and working again, Thursday, 21 March 2013 02:08 (2 months ago) Permalink
― tylerw, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 17:25 (1 month ago) Permalink