I realised today that I don'treally like punk music

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Television
Wire
Ramones
Stooges
Buzzcocks
Undertones
The Fall
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Black Flag
Minutemen
Misfits
Fugazi

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:46 (eighteen years ago) link

My point really wasn't "These punk bands are great" or "How often do you listen to these punk bands?" - more like these bands all have very distinctive sounds and point out the weakness of a "punk bands all sound the same" attitude.

Any argument that starts out "Why should I respect a music genre that is a bunch of undifferentiated crap" is immediately suspect if said genre is full of differentiation. Although I suspect the basis of this argument is "Somebody turned up their nose at my beloved ELO CDs - I'll attack back!" Okay, life sucks. Buy a helmet.

― Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Y'know , after watching a ramones documentary, and starting a silly rock band with some mates i'm starting to come back round to punk. i still don't like it, but i appreciate it more.

― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 20 November 2005 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link

― Yawn (Wintermute), Sunday, 20 November 2005 03:15 (eighteen years ago) link

With the exception of a handful of classic bands, most mentioned upthread, the thing that's always drawn me to punk is the DIY/fuck-the-record-industry mentality. Genres of music that I have followed in the last decade or so have mostly adhered to this. IDM/laptop stuff, DJ /Rupture/Jason Forrest style cut'n'paste, illegal remix/mash-up stuff, various types of extreme metal like doom and U.S. black metal (especially guys like Leviathan who are basically making this shit by themselves on their computers) are all very "punk" to me.

It's uncompromising, DIY stuff done for the love of doing it, not because these guys think they have a chance in hell of making any money doing it. I am drawn to it because it's pure music driven by nothing more than love.

― recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Sunday, 20 November 2005 10:21 (eighteen years ago) link

love of seeing snot-nosed wannabe-rebels pin a piece of cloth with your band's name on it onto every article of clothing they own.

― oops (Oops), Sunday, 20 November 2005 20:01 (eighteen years ago) link

you know, i understand the asthetic, the hwole DIY approach, everything about it, and i even agree with a lot of it, but man, i just can't listen to it.

― AaronK (AaronK), Monday, 21 November 2005 04:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess I don't understand what you mean by not liking it. It's so diverse, I dont get which parts you don't like. Do you like Richard Hell? Television? Stooges? Mc5? Minor Threat? Theoritical Girls? The Contortions? New York Dolls? The Dead Boys? Generation X? DEVO? Pere Ubu? Clash? Green Day? The minutemen?

Anything that has ever been considered punk by anybody? Bands that sound like the Ramones? The New York 1970s scene? Detroit in the 60s, England in the 70s, LA in the 80s? Bands that are snotty? What do you mean by punk?

― 2 and 3 and 2 and 5, Monday, 21 November 2005 10:19 (eighteen years ago) link

OH THE DIVERSITY

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 21 November 2005 10:24 (eighteen years ago) link

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― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 21 November 2005 10:48 (eighteen years ago) link

OH THE DIVERSITY

Have you ever listened to these bands, Theorry? There's an awful lot of stylistic real estate between Minor Threat and Pere Ubu and the Theoretical Girls, yet all fall under the umbrella of Punk. It is the quintessence of diversity.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 November 2005 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

...y'know, unlike, say, Hip Hop.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 November 2005 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

mind you i'd say minor threat = hardcore.

but if punk is as diverse as you say, then why not ashlee simpson?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 21 November 2005 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link

mind you i'd say minor threat = hardcore.

hardcore is to punk what acorns are to oak trees, silly person.

but if punk is as diverse as you say, then why not ashlee simpson?

Just because a genre is diverse, that doesn't necessarily make it all-encompasing.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 November 2005 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

ok, why is ashlee less punk than the authors of 'when september ends'?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 21 November 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

hardcore is to punk what acorns are to oak trees, silly person.

when is punk's cut-off point then? anyone who is inspired by punk, and anyone who inspired punk, is a punk?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 21 November 2005 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

hardcore is a direct descendent of punk. A stream-lined, arguably "purist" form to some.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 November 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

If they say they were inspired by punk, then they were.

Unless they are lying.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 21 November 2005 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

given scritti politi's trajectory, is nu-pop punk in the same way, alex?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 21 November 2005 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link

You can say you were inspired by Thomas Jefferson. But having read only his name in a 6th grade history book does not mean you have any idea what you're talking about.

― D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Monday, 21 November 2005 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link

so hardcore acts are certified by... you, i take it, as knowing their onions? and who might you be?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 21 November 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I just present arguments - I don't solve them!

― D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Monday, 21 November 2005 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Regarding Scritti Politti, might I recommend Simon Reynolds' exhaustive tome, Rip It Up & Start Again to examine the connections between New Pop and Punk, but yes, I'd say they're connected. I don't claim to be an authority however. That said, I know enough to be able to assert that Ashlee Simpson simply doesn't qualify as Punk.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 November 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Are we supposed to quote David Berman now, or do I wait for someone to post a jpeg of Avril?

― A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Monday, 21 November 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

This was my problem from the first post-- what bands exactly does he not like? I'm still interested in knowing.

And yeah, if you think DEVO and the New York Dolls sound the same you're a fucking moron.

ps... always thought hardcore was short for... hardcore punk... but maybe Im just crazy

― 2 and 3 and 2 and 5, Monday, 21 November 2005 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

...y'know, unlike, say, Hip Hop.

Are you being "controversial" here?

― Dan (Get A New Hobby Horse Already) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 21 November 2005 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

ps... always thought hardcore was short for... hardcore punk... but maybe Im just crazy

I was going to cite that too, but I've seen arguments to the contrary.

...y'know, unlike, say, Hip Hop.

Are you being "controversial" here?

No, here I believe I was "being a dick," but by the same token, I'd assert with a straight-face that there's more diversity under the banner of Punk than there is under the banner of Hip Hop.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 November 2005 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

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