Hommophobia inna dancehall style...

In any case, my ears are way more offended by dancehall than my conscience, so I don't even know what I'm doing on this thread.

calling someone out on some fucked up shit theyre doing has never worked ever while the record of questioning underlying motivation of aggressors is a well established tactic for change - one only has to look as far the famous "why do you think im not a man" signs worn by civil rights protesters in mid century america or gandhis famous "what is the fundamental cause of you occupying my country" protest in india to see its effectiveness

in what universe are either of your examples not evidence of ppl calling someone out on their fucked up shit

you can adjust for her income, but i'm looking for an exact number here

Keep looking for that exact number. You know how dumb this is right? You know what? Keep canceling the odd dancehall concert and keep up your moral outrage. I'm sure that will solve the problem of homophobia in not only Jamaican music, but society-at-large.

uh dan

Y'know, wishing that practitioners of a kind of music you generally like would stop it with the songs about killing you, your friends and family is not really colonial white man lecturing from on high, so if we could move on from that notion, plz?

And how effective is that in adjusting attitudes or changing patterns of behaviour?

― King of Snake (j-rock), Friday, September 11, 2009 12:15 PM

i'm only pointing out that the protesters aren't the only ones with their fingers in their ears going "lalalala". i don't think anyone intends to change the laws of jamaica by telling a singer to stfu when he rolls thru a town. they simply want the singer to stfu.

People should always be called out on hateful garbage like this, but simply canceling shows and lecturing aren't doing anything constructive to change attitudes.

I don't think the primary concern is changing attitudes in Jamaica; I think the primary concern is the people operating a venue saying "we do not people to think we condone this attitude".

we need more seminars, like the juggalos

Maybe the civil rights organization behind the planned boycotts of those venues could try to engage Mr. Banton a little more directly?

We should just send them both a link to this thread.

hugs not thugs

i ain't gonna play sun city

I don't think the primary concern is changing attitudes in Jamaica; I think the primary concern is the people operating a venue saying "we do not people to think we condone this attitude".

^^^ truthbomb

what happened to my "want"

oh well, the gist should be clear

what happened to my "want"

you never it

if buju banton would record a song abt macintosh computers and graduate degrees it would mollify me somewhat

Maybe the civil rights organization behind the planned boycotts of those venues could try to engage Mr. Banton a little more directly?

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, September 11, 2009 12:40 PM

not everything can be solved by having two monsters battle, kingkongvsgodzilla

I want hugs from thugs.

British diplomat found strangled in Jamaican home in suspected gay-hate murder (11/09/2009)

A note was left on his blood-soaked body branding him a "batty man" - local slang for homosexual. A cord and piece of clothing were still around his neck.

No word on Banton's alibi.

We know he wasn't at First Ave.

brooklyn seems to dig capleton's lyrical content and between-song banter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vylzh_-b1SU

wtf, it's machismo + monotheism, just like "white" homophobia. this idea that it's rooted in poverty is just fucked.

seriously wtf.

http://www.towleroad.com/2009/10/murder-music-singer-buju-banton-has-first-meeting-with-gay-advocates.html

real thoughtful comments on that article.

did he MURDER DEM?

It was before the dawn of time, but oO_Oo at stelfox and maybe more so at the space cleared for him. WTF, ol' ILX?

Okay, maybe I'm reading way too much into this, but...look at Buju Banton's hands in the photograph. He's making a sign over his crotch that some people use to indicate a vagina. And I invite you to try to sit that way yourself...it does not feel like a very natural position to me. I'm guessing Banton is making the sign to mock the folks in the photograph with him.

Posted by: peterparker | Oct 13, 2009 12:55:15 PM

http://api.ning.com/files/AlF29i7dC3Lhgz6dtRJOtF-zI6-gsTxWDb550OQ2bq*G5yWUR*G9rj0LYG5BLdi5Zc8RA9mnIWVDDRHCbNYXsAf-Tz79y37h/Haile_Selassie_G_0485.jpg

http://www.towleroad.com/2009/10/buju-banton-there-is-no-end-to-the-war-between-me-and-faggot.html

I want to hear Buju Banton's considered take on the Jan Moir furore.

fuck this guy imo

yeah it's really pretty much impossible to defend the dude at this point

this thread is filled with some amazingly condescending excuses for homophobia imo

coming from folks who would probably RAGE at length against the amount of instruments arcade fire dares to use on a song, or some other similarly big important social issue

just a thought

Okay, maybe I'm reading way too much into this, but...look at Buju Banton's hands in the photograph. He's making a sign over his crotch that some people use to indicate a vagina. And I invite you to try to sit that way yourself...it does not feel like a very natural position to me. I'm guessing Banton is making the sign to mock the folks in the photograph with him.

^^^^ i almost posted the exact same thing, it seems really weird!

remember omar, homophobia or even being a white power creep like some of those norway black metal dudes is no sin compared to being an semi-popular indie rock band that uncool ppl like

^^^^ i almost posted the exact same thing, it seems really weird!

― a perfect urkel (gbx), Saturday, October 17, 2009 5:06 PM

even after seeing the pic i posted?

incisive political cartoons inna dancehall style

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magazines/Entertainment/images/20091015T200000-0500_161898_OBS__NO_END_TO_THE_WAR_BETWEEN_ME_AND_THE_GAYS___BUJU_TELLS_MUTA_1.jpg

It's "Gary."

http://www.alfingers.com/news/busy-signal-gary/

so much evolving going right now

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/us-news-blog/2012/may/18/beenie-man-rap-gay-rights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W90Moq_InEc

i don't even know what this is supposed to mean

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/assets/8071090/ed-cart-thursday-17-may.jpg

i'm not completely convinced. just a reminder that last time beenie "apologized" he came out with this right after:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5NDcksC0wQ

hell of a bellybutton on that gay community

why is beenie man wearing a stethoscope?

because he is The Doctor

Beenie looks away from the camera too much to make me think he feels it in his heart, but he feels it in his head.