P2K: The Top 500 Tracks of the 2000s: 20-1

I think "Ignition (Remix)" is massively charming in part because of its sense of levity; I can see why this very thing might annoy people who think "omg best song ever" affairs should be more of an unmistakable big event. Of course R Kelly does intensity too but it's mostly kinda scary when he does.

well just to be clear, I'm not saying I'm put off him because I think other people are liking him the wrong way, or something -- it's just that if you generally prefer your music not-too-cartoonish, and want your r&b to be sharp, and aren't super-inclined to marvel or gawk or be charmed by the (admittedly compelling) ridiculousness of him, it's just gonna seem a little dumb no matter what other people think. some of that stuff requires shrugging and giving in to the goofiness and dumbness. which can be fine. (not "ignition," though, I don't think.)

Yeah. But he really has a lot of songs that have a minimum of funny grammar or crazy sex metaphors and are just good R&B.

I mean, I didn't want to get too Lex-y on any of these threads about the PF list, but really it does annoy me greatly that R. Kelly has one token entry on this list when people like Jay-Z or the Neptunes, who I think he was either on par with or very close to in terms of making great radio hits this decade, got more like 10 entries.

IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME THAT THERE IS NO NELLY IN THEIR LIST

FUCK THAT

there's none in mine either, hmm

FUCK YOU TOO

*shakes fist*

ok that was hysterical (Nelly'd be on mine though so don't yell at me)

either too far down the "caveman sexuality" line ("Bump & Grind", "Your Body's Callin'", "You Remind Me of Something") or too sacchrinely aspirational ("I Believe I Can Fly", "City of Gotham", "World's Greatest") for me to connect

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IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME THAT THERE IS NO NELLY IN THEIR LIST

Odd, too, considering that, as I pointed out in the main thread, "Hot in Herre" was like their #29 of the decade's first half.

fuck i hate to have to agree with masonic boom but yeah all of these songs are shite

every one of em, eh?

sorry i was joking they are all amazing

they are all the same song pretty much, so if u hate/love one ditto for the rest

it seems like a lot of appreciation of Kelly (especially outside the pop world) is based on his being slightly ridiculous or far-out or functioning almost as a boneheaded parody of himself (e.g. I think sometimes he's an r&b favorite of people who find r&b silly because he's such a caricature of precisely the silliest stuff)

^^absolutely true, something i find pretty problematic and annoying, but this applies more to trapped in the closet than "ignition"

"ride wit me" and "country grammar" >>>>>>> "hot in herre"

yeah "country grammar" is pretty easily the best song of nelly's career imo, and belongs in any top whatever list of anything

"hot in herre" > "e.i." > "country grammar" > "ride wit me" = "batter up" > any top whatever list of anything.

i'm weird i guess but i put "dilemma" over most of those too, though i like most of nelly's early shit

I leave ILM for a week and the challops brigade descend on Ignition? Too far ILM, it's like you're clowning yourselves to prove that nobody is safe from your contrarianism. This song is kindof above criticism fyi.

and yeah, Ride wit me is Nelly's best single

dont understand irrational 'oingo boingo' hate in this thread. elfman is incredible