Oh God, NME Tries To Start Yet Another New Movement ..... SHROOMADELICA - The music movement that will 'weird up your head',

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OMG TEHY'VE GONE META!!!

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:54 (twenty years ago) link

I think the writers of these things are a little more self-aware than some of you generally give them credit for, whatever else you may be able to lay at their door...

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:54 (twenty years ago) link

The thread has provided me with some much-needed laffs this morning.

I'd have to agree here.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago) link

"NME Tries To Start Yet Another New Movement ..... "

Just tap them on the nose with a rolled up newspaper and say "NO!" in a loud, commanding voice.

don (don), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

Don has said the most useful thing so far here!

Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

"I'm curious. Did people like Beefheart and Zappa actually *take* psychedelics, or were they just that way "naturally"? I honestly don't know that much about them."

i'm almost 100% sure Zappa didn't take any drugs aside from nicotine and caffeine."

Beefheart has often claimed not have done so - however everyone I've ever spoken to who actually knows / knew the man tells me that this is utter bollocks.

It's slightly easier to believe that Zappa didn't because of his evidently rampant OCD - but only slightly

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:43 (twenty years ago) link

ILM has decided to try and start another new movement. The New Momus Revolution is upon you!

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:49 (twenty years ago) link

Not taking drugs to make music for people who have never taken drugs to listen to music while pretending to be on drugs!

That is hilarious and so dead-on.

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago) link

PSEUDODELICA

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago) link

Will someone like CRW fall for it? Perhaps Sleeper are the god(mothers?)?

Alexei, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:30 (twenty years ago) link

Whatever happened to "skunk rock"?

JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:38 (twenty years ago) link

I Dream of Wires anyone?

Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:45 (twenty years ago) link

Ow, my faith in humanity hurts.

Stupid (Stupid), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:15 (twenty years ago) link

NEW KATHRYN WILLIAMS?! is it better than "Old Low Light"? (I hope so.)

i must hear this! please!

Sean M (Sean M), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:25 (twenty years ago) link

yes, i'm going to interview her shortly. its a brilliant collection of covers (ivor cutler, pavement, the byrds, lee hazelwood -- and according to her liner notes 'done to fall in love with music again after becoming cynical after the old low light'. its beautiful. funnily enough i got the reissue of Nina Nastasia's dogs the same day.

doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:46 (twenty years ago) link

man, i need to get on whatever lists you're on. :)

Sean M (Sean M), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:51 (twenty years ago) link

Beefheart was obvioously a nut-job from the off. Drugs surely made little difference one way or the other.

mei (mei), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago) link

The thing is that people *think* was recorded "wow, like, on acid, man!" was often recorded by naturally daft nutters who in actuality never went near the stuff. (See early Flaming Lips,

er. um. i don't quite know what to say about this......

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 22 April 2004 01:50 (twenty years ago) link

probably best to stick to facts

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 April 2004 02:04 (twenty years ago) link

dude, my band played with their band in 1985 and they were frequent visitors to the Kansas City scene. don't tell me about facts. sorry if that sounds harsh.

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 22 April 2004 02:06 (twenty years ago) link

'and they were frequent visitors to the Kansas City scene'

New drug euphemism?

de, Thursday, 22 April 2004 02:12 (twenty years ago) link

if it isn't it should be lol! no i am really sorry it sounded snottier than i intended. KC had a great scene in the mid80s, we got the big acts on their national tours it was in the middle of the local circuit, which sometimes included bands from MN

... and the Lips (hi Wayne, remember the Foolkiller!) were from Norman, OK, a college town within doable gig distance. there was a midwest local tour curcuit - columbia, MO, Norman OK, Lawrence, KS, Topeka, KS, Lincoln NB and it was very cooperative, low key and close knit. Close knit enough for me to have lots of stories i won't tell you.

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 22 April 2004 02:16 (twenty years ago) link

and i should add, i am sure you all have stories about other things that you won't tell *me*
:-)

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 22 April 2004 02:20 (twenty years ago) link

The NME have actually invented one thriving and long-standing genre, albeit inadvertantly.

For as long as I can remember loads of people I know have used the term 'shit NME bands' for any of those boring, middle of the road indie rock bands that they trumpet, presumably because they're too scared not to (I give them the credit of not actually liking that pap).

I'm not being facetious, if someone I know said to me "oh, such-and-such are one of those shit NME bands..." I'd know exactly what they sound like and probably how they look and act too.

BTW a band doesn't actually have to be in NME to be a 'shit NME band', they just have to be the sort.

mei (mei), Thursday, 22 April 2004 06:25 (twenty years ago) link

The same sort of thing works for 'Kerrang! band' although it's more of a pure description rather than the slight insult the 'shit NME band' thing is.

Recently though Kerrang! has got a lot more diverse so it's not so useful.

mei (mei), Thursday, 22 April 2004 06:27 (twenty years ago) link

Anybody actually buy this weeks NME?

Alexei, Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:01 (twenty years ago) link

'shit NME bands'

isn't this just a new version of "Steve Lamacq approved bands"?

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:04 (twenty years ago) link

New? I would imagine it goes a lot further back than when Lamacq started out.

Alexei, Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:06 (twenty years ago) link

well that was probably a new version of something else. perhaps "updated" rather than "new"

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:07 (twenty years ago) link

no, i don't think it does go back all that far - prior to Lamacq was Britpop which is its own kettle of fish, and prior to that the phenomenon didn't really exist in the same way..

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:08 (twenty years ago) link

i'm thinking about this far more than i really should

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:08 (twenty years ago) link

But Lamacq was the 1st to play all the britpop bands wasnt he?
And what I mean is that plenty of people could've called 'Shoegazer' shit nme music or any scene coverd by NME since...whenever.

Alexei, Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:10 (twenty years ago) link

it evolved:

Shit NME music
Shilola NME music
shoe shine nme bands
shoe shnme bands
shoegazer bands

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:22 (twenty years ago) link

can we get a consigment of acid house to this thread please, yep it's urgent.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 22 April 2004 09:24 (twenty years ago) link

Wahey!

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 22 April 2004 09:32 (twenty years ago) link

Until there's a movement entirely based around 'comedowns' I'm still not fuckin' interested in music

dave q, Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:34 (twenty years ago) link

Psychedelia was revived in the '80s by the likes of Plasticland, Plan 9, and Rain Parade, and it has never really gone away since (granted, it was quite rare in the '70s). Through the '90s 'til now, we've had a steady flow of tribal, improv, and noise bands floating about, many of which have very psychedelic undertones at least. Now, in addition to that, we have the free/improv/psych folk sound from various corners of the world. Coral-esque bands are just one of the myriad facets of psychedelic sound. Celebrate the diversity!

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Thursday, 22 April 2004 17:34 (twenty years ago) link

OK, embarrassing confessions time. I think I like The Delays. They were namechecked in this awful, awful article, which I read while waiting in line in a record shop. Which is about the time necessary to read the NME these days. But then the girl at the counter put this lovely lovely record on, which was all tremolo guitar and I thought it was a GURL singing and it sounded a bit like the Sundays sitting by the sea.

So I bought the album (which turned out to be The Delays) and exactly three songs sound like that. And the rest of it is Doomie-bait sub-Byrdsian La's style jingle jangle. Sigh.

(If there were a style of music I could be said to hate, it would be Lame Kerrang Bands. There was an interview with the bloke what runs it in the Camden New Journal a few weeks ago, coz apparently Kerrang is run out of Camden and I wanted to stick a pencil in his eye by the end of it.)

Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 23 April 2004 07:22 (twenty years ago) link

Funny, I went into HMV Oxford street a couple weeks ago, the Delays were doing a promo/live spot. They played the single, OK, nice fine enough, then the Next track was as you say, La's lite. Hmm, I thought. Bet their Second album wont sound like this one...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 23 April 2004 07:31 (twenty years ago) link

But the album was sequenced really well, in that the three, dreamy, Sundays-ish tremolo-y songs are right at the start. So you can just hit eject when they start to go all Las, and put in the Boo Radleys instead.

I don't think they're the greatest anything ever, and I'd never start a movement around them, but their singer's voice is really nice. He sounds like a GURL and that is the highest compliment I can give someone.

Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 23 April 2004 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

(They're not particularly psychedelic, either.)

Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 23 April 2004 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

They honestly put the Delays in the 'psychedelic' bit?

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 23 April 2004 08:46 (twenty years ago) link

coz apparently Kerrang is run out of Camden

not true, but the current editor 4shl3y B1rd lives right near the tube.

Also, Delays* are lovely and mmm. Singer sounds like Geneva's Andrew Montgomery, which is a bit of a bind for Andrew Montgomery who apparently now has a new band.

*there is no "The". There was never a "The". The band apparently spend half their time runnung around like Lynn Truss, armed with scissors, marker pens and Tippex, altering posters...

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 23 April 2004 08:50 (twenty years ago) link

I guess "Radiohead crossed with the La's" would make everyone fall asleep! xpost.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 23 April 2004 08:51 (twenty years ago) link

Too many people seem to conflate "psychedelic" with "summer sunshine pop". Sure, there are overlaps from the Beach Boys and Byrds on down, but they're not the same thing.

Delays are definitely Summer Sunshine Pop, but psychedelic? As psychedelic as milk!

x-post with Chuck... oh. I assumed Kerrang was run out of Camden, but if he lives in Camden, that makes him a "famous Camdenite". Apparently. I mean, the CNJ can't just go on running endless features about the Bloomsbury Movement, can they, but still! Kerrang? Fuck off!

Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 23 April 2004 08:51 (twenty years ago) link

Kerrang! is based in EMAP Towers or whatever, surely?

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 23 April 2004 08:54 (twenty years ago) link

Kate - http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=1913

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 April 2004 08:55 (twenty years ago) link

wtf Bark Psychosis on production duties??? or was that a joke?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 23 April 2004 08:57 (twenty years ago) link

Nick S, you're right on most counts about that album. Hairstylists? Well, they want to paint my toenails, that's for sure.

OK, that's it, I'm writing to the CNJ to complain about Kerrang's inclusion when they should be covered only in the Southark Shite Journal or some such rag. THIS IS A LOCAL PAPER FOR LOCAL PEOPLE, NOW KEEP THAT NASTY BOYROCK OUT OF IT!!!

(I heart the CNJ, it is the best local paper ever, so much better than that pseudo-socialist Islington nonsense I read on the 19 the other day.)

Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 23 April 2004 08:59 (twenty years ago) link


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