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Second-guessing the end results, Garcia and Lesh went back in the studio in 1971 to remix the album, removing many parts present on the original release, including a choir singing on "Mountains of the Moon", many difficult-to-identify sounds on "What's Become of the Baby", and an a cappella ending for "Doin' that Rag," dropped for an earlier fadeout. The remix also uses different vocal takes on some songs, most noticeably "Dupree's Diamond Blues." The result, with the same catalog number (WS1790) and perhaps brighter sound, but with much of the original's experimental character removed, can be identified by the "Remixed September, 1971" legend on the back cover. Mistakenly, the song timings on the first (1987) CD release refer to the original mix, not the remix (varying most significantly on "Doin' that Rag," which was edited from 5:15 to 4:41, and "China Cat Sunflower," edited from 4:15 to 3:40).The original mix was later planned for CD release, but the original master tapes could not be located. When the masters were finally found, years later, they were used for The Warner Bros. Studio Albums vinyl box set, marking the first time the 1969 mix has been available since the 1971 remix replaced it, in 1972. The 2013 high definition remastering for download uses the remixed version – even though promotion related to this release declared "produced from the original analog master tapes in 2013, using the original album mixes".An edit of the track "Doin' that Rag" was released on the Warner/Reprise Loss Leaders compilation The 1969 Warner/Reprise Record Show. Since this set stayed in print through the late 1970s, it provided a sample of the original mix for some years after the full album was only available in the remixed version.---On June 7, 2019 Rhino Records released the "50th Anniversary Deluxe Edition" of Aoxomoxoa. Disc one contains both mixes of the album – the one from 1969 and the one from 1971. Disc two contains previously unreleased live tracks from the Avalon Ballroom in San Francisco, recorded on January 24–26, 1969.
The original mix was later planned for CD release, but the original master tapes could not be located. When the masters were finally found, years later, they were used for The Warner Bros. Studio Albums vinyl box set, marking the first time the 1969 mix has been available since the 1971 remix replaced it, in 1972. The 2013 high definition remastering for download uses the remixed version – even though promotion related to this release declared "produced from the original analog master tapes in 2013, using the original album mixes".
An edit of the track "Doin' that Rag" was released on the Warner/Reprise Loss Leaders compilation The 1969 Warner/Reprise Record Show. Since this set stayed in print through the late 1970s, it provided a sample of the original mix for some years after the full album was only available in the remixed version.
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On June 7, 2019 Rhino Records released the "50th Anniversary Deluxe Edition" of Aoxomoxoa. Disc one contains both mixes of the album – the one from 1969 and the one from 1971. Disc two contains previously unreleased live tracks from the Avalon Ballroom in San Francisco, recorded on January 24–26, 1969.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 4 March 2024 20:56 (three months ago) link
Yes. Going by the outro to Doin' That Rag, it seems both my versions are the 71 remix. So I've never heard the 69 mix. I must rectify that.
― Duke, Monday, 4 March 2024 20:57 (three months ago) link
interesting that the Warner/Reprise record show was in print for so long, for just a promo sampler comp
― Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:25 (three months ago) link
the original mix is definitely worth hearing, but I hardly ever listen to it.
a very strange Aoxo outtake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg10Puy1kYo
― Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro), Monday, 4 March 2024 21:27 (three months ago) link
'Doin that Rag' is such a shambles...like they're still learning it and lurch into the different parts
― calstars, Monday, 4 March 2024 21:31 (three months ago) link
also has some rare Jerry falsetto
― calstars, Monday, 4 March 2024 21:34 (three months ago) link
still surprises me when i remember members of the Dead put in session work for David Crosby's "If I Could Only Remember My Name." That pedal steel work Jerry puts in for "Laughing" is fantastic. "What Are Their Names" is such a wild tune to come out of a Crosby, Neil Young and the Dead composition.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 19:08 (three months ago) link
this is what i'm talking about when i talk about how much i love the one drummer approach. i much prefer it. so good! well, they had the right one drummer for it. that helps. i mean i get that the mickey/bill combo is part of the mythos...and before 1972 i feel like i enjoy it more? i dunno. anyway, this is a really good show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtsB3lgvN5w
― scott seward, Thursday, 7 March 2024 13:44 (two months ago) link
how many 60s and 70s bands wish that they had ONE show with the sound quality of that one above that they could listen to now. kinda crazy really.
― scott seward, Thursday, 7 March 2024 13:54 (two months ago) link
(that set is really down-home. nothing out or crazy long. old-fashioned.)
― scott seward, Thursday, 7 March 2024 14:01 (two months ago) link
many difficult-to-identify sounds on "What's Become of the Baby"
all-time wiki writing tbh
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 7 March 2024 14:14 (two months ago) link
The uncontroversial part of my take is that I agree with Scott, one drummer Dead before the hiatus in '75 was peak Dead. Kreutzmann was a better drummer and allowed the Dead to turn on a dime in the jazzier years.
The somewhat controversial part of my take is that the Dead would have been a far less interesting band in the '80s and '90s without Mickey back in the fold. Mickey was a worse drummer, but I think he was often the main one still pulling the psychedelic thread in the later years. "Drums > Space" was not everyone's cup of tea, but in those later years it was sometimes the only moment in the show where they dipped a toe in those cosmic waters.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 7 March 2024 14:49 (two months ago) link
i do agree with all that. having said that, i don't listen to 80s and 90s Dead much unless someone tells me its a truly great show.
― scott seward, Thursday, 7 March 2024 15:25 (two months ago) link
dual drummer arrangement in the 70s lost all the ferocity they had in the late 60s. bludgeoning is not a word i'd often use for the dead but some of those 'other ones' are gnarly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE66xE2bk5M
however, most all drum 'solos' or features or whatever, first nine minutes of this included, are dire
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 7 March 2024 18:56 (two months ago) link
again, without a net, ffs
― brimstead, Thursday, 7 March 2024 18:57 (two months ago) link
that's what happens when you try to play triplets with four hands
― calstars, Thursday, 7 March 2024 19:45 (two months ago) link
Europe 72 is among my favorite dead, and I also never felt like Mickey added much tbh. I mean sometimes he does, but a lot of my favorite stuff is one drummer.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 March 2024 20:08 (two months ago) link
there are euro 1972 shows where BK gives krautrock drummers a run for their money!
― scott seward, Thursday, 7 March 2024 20:17 (two months ago) link
yes! The dude was a machine. I also sometimes think of krautrock when I hear those shows.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 March 2024 20:18 (two months ago) link
Riiight. Nothing evidences precision motorik quite like a double Bill / Mickey fill
― calstars, Thursday, 7 March 2024 21:53 (two months ago) link
no we are talking just bill. in europe. in 1972.
― scott seward, Thursday, 7 March 2024 21:55 (two months ago) link
do keep up
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 7 March 2024 22:47 (two months ago) link
Jon otm. Billy was better but Mickey preserved a lot of the psychedelic mysticism that defined them from the start. The freakin' beam is still a fixture of dead & co drums into space and it's still a bone rattling thrill to hear it live. Also, the best studio recording of playing in the band was on Mickey's solo album Rolling Thunder, horns and all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE7-2Qo9FTc
― BrianB, Thursday, 7 March 2024 23:34 (two months ago) link
Listened to the Truckin'>Mind Left Body Jam>Spanish Jam>Wharf Rat on 07/31/74 during a night drive through the country. It's pretty sweet.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 8 March 2024 03:35 (two months ago) link
anyone know of any other good instances where they go hard, like the end of sunshine daydream's (1972-08-27) dark star?
― gundam wig (diamonddave85), Saturday, 9 March 2024 03:03 (two months ago) link
early "The Other Ones" are the first one that comes to mind. can't name a particular show, unfortunately. i just know they could get pretty gnarly before Weir's vocals hit.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 9 March 2024 03:33 (two months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Sx0Li9gQs
― scott seward, Saturday, 9 March 2024 03:37 (two months ago) link
I would like to apologize in this public forum to Michael Steven Hartman, aka Mickey Hart, for anything I might have said to disparage his involvement with the GD. I stayed up until 2 AM last night watching the closing of Winterland video and him and Bill are having so much fun together and Mickey is just bashing away like a kid and they sound really cool and the band sounds awesome and Donna's vibe is awesome and I just love hearing them like that and it reminded me of how great they could sound when they all play together in sync. or in Dead sync anyway. and i love that opening 1-2-3 punch of sugar magnolia/scarlet begonias/fire on the mountain and i love that not fade away with john cipollina. Sorry, Mickey!
― scott seward, Saturday, 9 March 2024 12:50 (two months ago) link
I’ve written about my love for Dozin’ at the Knick, it was my gateway Dead record. I went to see a local band cover the whole show last night and had so much fun. “Terrapin” delivered all the spacy funky prog goodness.
― Requiem for a Dream: The Musical! (Dan Peterson), Saturday, 9 March 2024 15:52 (two months ago) link
someone brought stuff in to trade including cd sets of 12/10/71 fox theatre and june 10 1973 rfk stadium. that is my era. well, i do love the 60s dead too. gonna take them home. feel like 1970 to 1973 dead was the best american folk rock band in the land.
i've never read about the dead's impact around the world. who loved them? where did they hit big with people? were they beloved in japan? south america? they never went to those places. did the krautrockers listen to them? there should be a book about that. maybe there is one.
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 March 2024 17:53 (two months ago) link
I think that 6/10/73 show is the longest ever and has part of the Allman Bros sitting in for the third set. It's a fun show.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Sunday, 10 March 2024 18:14 (two months ago) link
yah i think its 4 discs.
― scott seward, Sunday, 10 March 2024 18:51 (two months ago) link
It's 8LPs(!) because they try to avoid splitting the songs.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Sunday, 10 March 2024 19:32 (two months ago) link
jam much?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtJ8FIWx8og
― scott seward, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 15:42 (two months ago) link
i can't remember if i already posted this here. if i did its worth posting twice. so cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H-CW12fBNA
― scott seward, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 17:10 (two months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8oV1mUEWlk
#onethread
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 12 April 2024 16:45 (one month ago) link