"Supernaut" vs. "1970"
Supernaut in a blowout on par with the latest Kimbo Slice match.
nah, last 2 minutes of "1970" >>> any two minutes of "supernaut"
― Edward III, Thursday, 9 October 2008 05:07 (fifteen years ago) link
not buying it.
― ian, Thursday, 9 October 2008 05:09 (fifteen years ago) link
Punk owes as much to countless Nuggets-style 60s garage bands as anything else (see "Louie Louie") - I think VU's role is often overstated, primarily by those who would like to re-write punk's origins as being exclusive to New York (a la "Please Kill Me").
I guess I view the VU/stooges influence on punk as narrowly as you view sabbath/zeppelin's on metal. sure, lots of diffuse & disparate things inspired punk bands, and the same could be said of metal.
but between vu and the stooges you've got about 90% of the moves punk bands would pull in situ. just like sabbath/zeppelin provided the template for metal bands that came after them.
I'd reposition this argument to take "influence" out of the equation and say that as earlier practioners of the form vu/stooges embodied the rulebook. you could erase every nuggets band in history and still derive the essentials of punk rock from vu and the stooges. and I mean punk in the broad sense; not just ramones/pistols but television, pere ubu, wire, etc. and I think I've talked about zeppelin being the collective unconscious of rock here before somewhere...
― Edward III, Thursday, 9 October 2008 05:27 (fifteen years ago) link
aw c'mon, who waits until the song's almost over for the saxophone to come in? and when it does it's a coltrane clarion call waking archangels to man chariots of the gods as the locked groove of a j.b.'s detroit death machine bears down on them! and I feel alright! I feel alright! I feel alright!
― Edward III, Thursday, 9 October 2008 05:41 (fifteen years ago) link
"TV Eye" vs. ??????
― Ioannis, Thursday, 9 October 2008 07:03 (fifteen years ago) link
i really do not understand either of these bands
― cameron carr, Thursday, 9 October 2008 07:12 (fifteen years ago) link
or rather their appeal.
but what do i know.
Tough choice, but Stooges. Know what puts them over for me? "LA Blues." Know why?
STEVE MCmotherfuckin'KAY.
Sabbath don't got nothin' nowhere close to him anywhere in their catalog.
― Formerly Painful Dentistry, Thursday, 9 October 2008 07:25 (fifteen years ago) link
This is the nubbins of it for me really - Sabbath's riffs seem overwrought in comparison.
― NickB, Thursday, 9 October 2008 08:54 (fifteen years ago) link
And yeah, Sabbath basically invented a genre - whatever that's worth the same cannot be said of the Stooges.
Whoa.. horsey!!
― Mark G, Thursday, 9 October 2008 08:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Why does that matter anyway?
― Tom D asks, "Are we in love like I think we be?" (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 October 2008 08:58 (fifteen years ago) link
It's true, the Stooges aren't as boring as Sabbath
― Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 08:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Sabbath are Frankenstein's monster lumbering dementedly through the wastes; the Stooges are all about that one high-voltage shock applied to the rotting cadaver.
― NickB, Thursday, 9 October 2008 09:01 (fifteen years ago) link
this is a real toughie. love them both.
it's possibly easier to intellectually justify a stooges vote, but my gut instinct is to vote for sabbath. the thought of never hearing 'black sabbath', 'supernaut' or 'into the void' ever again is just too painful to countenance.
second, there's no way that the stooges could ever have made anything as weirdly wonderful as 'supertzar'.
on the other hand, 'TV eye' is pretty much unassailable on every level.
ultimately it comes down to feral vs. massive. massive for the win.
― m the g, Thursday, 9 October 2008 09:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Well, as Black Sabbath are shitty heavy metal and The Stooges are just brilliant, I guess it'd have to be the latter. :-)
― rjberry, Thursday, 9 October 2008 09:49 (fifteen years ago) link
God Sabbath're dull
― Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 09:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Blah blah lumber lumber we're from Birmingham don't blame us
Searing critical insight, guys.
― Neil S, Thursday, 9 October 2008 10:29 (fifteen years ago) link
I'd have thought the leader of the doom patrol might feel more of an affinity with sabbath.
― m the g, Thursday, 9 October 2008 10:35 (fifteen years ago) link
The Stooges at least admit the possibility of crisis; Sabbath exist in an unchanging dimension of contant doom. BAH
― Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 10:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Sabbath exist in an unchanging dimension of contant doom
you say it like that's a bad thing.
― easy, lionel (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 9 October 2008 10:45 (fifteen years ago) link
And it's not true. Have you heard Into The Void or Supernaut? Total "set the controls for the heart of the sun" stuff, not depressing at all.
― Neil S, Thursday, 9 October 2008 10:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Bit like Gordon Brown
― Tom D asks, "Are we in love like I think we be?" (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 October 2008 10:46 (fifteen years ago) link
NC the character was into 'crisis' as an agent of change/growth type thing. I think he'd prefer the Stooges, if he had time to do anything as silly as listen to popular music
― Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 10:49 (fifteen years ago) link
OK, maybe Sabbath is a class thing - for some people.
― Soukesian, Thursday, 9 October 2008 11:42 (fifteen years ago) link
How do you work that out?
― Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 October 2008 11:42 (fifteen years ago) link
"we're from Birmingham don't blame us"
― Soukesian, Thursday, 9 October 2008 11:44 (fifteen years ago) link
What's that got to do with class though? That's more about Birmingham being perceived as a boring shithole.
― Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 October 2008 11:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Well, that's how I read it
― Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 October 2008 11:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah it didn't have anything to do with class. Would've been the same if they'd been from Oxford or Liverpool.
― Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 11:50 (fifteen years ago) link
But not Detroit?
― Soukesian, Thursday, 9 October 2008 11:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Isn't Ann Arbor quite nice tho?
― Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 October 2008 11:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah sure, but I think Sabbath come from England. Point is they made music that bores me, so I made fun of their boring roots. Stooges came from Ann Arbor anyway
xpost
― Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 11:55 (fifteen years ago) link
"I'm American, btw"
― Neil S, Thursday, 9 October 2008 11:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Me? I'm not. To say the least. I do wonder if my loathing for Sabbath is all due to buying the first album and hating it, tho. Should I give like Vol 4 a go? Do they get more LIMBER?
― Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 12:02 (fifteen years ago) link
OK, I'm being unduly sensitive about being grim and Northern.
Both bands came out of pretty tough backgrounds though, which is another thing they have in common.
― Soukesian, Thursday, 9 October 2008 12:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Sorry bad zing above! Vol 4 is a great record, yes. Masters Of Reality is also arguably more groovy than their earlier records.
― Neil S, Thursday, 9 October 2008 12:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Although the "lumbering" tag is wrong IMHO- the rhythm section on (say) "The Wizard" SWINGS!
Dude, most of my fav bands're grim and northern! xpost ok I should give that one a go, cos man I like SO many bands that rip Sabbath off... still vote Stooges tho xxpost NO IT DOESN'T or maybe I was distracted by being annoyed that he was singing about a fucking wizard. It lifts a little, I suppose.
― Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 12:07 (fifteen years ago) link
grim and Northern
birmingham? northern? pah :)
― easy, lionel (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 9 October 2008 12:09 (fifteen years ago) link
i'd say try Sabotage instead; it may not be the densest slab of Sab available, but it probably is the most versatile (and best).
xxxxp
― "I'ma lose my religion and go secular on you, boy" (Ioannis), Thursday, 9 October 2008 12:11 (fifteen years ago) link
This is aces!
― J0hn D., Thursday, 9 October 2008 12:12 (fifteen years ago) link
I should prob just get all three and DEAL WITH THEM
― Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 12:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Birmingham is not the North!
― Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 October 2008 12:14 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost yes it is, but it ignores that the Stooges're kinda both/xxpost WHERE THE FUCK IS BIRMINGHAM IS IT MIDLANDS
― Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 12:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Funhouse is one deadass record
If you didn't like the song Black Sabbath off the 1st album you might want to just give up listening to them.
― I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 9 October 2008 12:15 (fifteen years ago) link
WHERE THE FUCK IS BIRMINGHAM IS IT MIDLANDS
yeh. the BLACK COUNTRY.
it's one of many parts of england i'm not familiar with at all, but i find the fact it gets such a universally bad rep intriguing, and want to check it out.
the brummie accent is also responsible for one of my favourite-ever TV jokes: the cup of tea/kipper tie thing in the grimleys, many years ago, which no-one else (except my dad) finds funny.
― easy, lionel (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 9 October 2008 12:31 (fifteen years ago) link
oh! according to wikipedia, birmingham itself isn't actually part of the black country. fuck's sake.
― easy, lionel (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 9 October 2008 12:32 (fifteen years ago) link