Who Are The Worst Pop Journalists?

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What is Dave Q on about?

N., Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Um, everyone here keeps forgetting the one really obvious answer...
Albert Goldman. An insecure, joyless asshole man who spent his entire career pissing vinegar onto the graves of any musician that the average music-lover had the audacity to like.
If you don't believe me, re-read his character assass--...er...biographies on Elvis or John Lennon. Except for Lennons Anorexia, he hadn't reported anything astute, believable or true since he started. Or if you want to hear him insult the entire idea of music all at once. Hold your nose and read a couple of pages from "Freakshow".

Lord Custos, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Though it's mediocre by his standards, that Reynolds piece *does* capture the mood of the time pretty well in that the 80s pop consensus broke up at that precise moment (Dire Straits' comeback album flopping, Simple Minds fading, the pathetic rap break he alludes to on MJ's "Black Or White"). I've got a feeling the campaign for an "alternative" chart rather than an anything-on-indie- labels chart was more an NME than an MM thing.

Oh, and good call to Stevo on Paul Mathur, who by 1995 had possibly the worst taste on Melody Maker. Sadly I'm too young to remember him being as good as you mention.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sophie Ellis Bextor doesn't look like a hamster. much.

Ronan, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He's already been noted, but I'd be remiss not to mention Robert Hilburn. He writes about a hundred columns a year and manages to mention U2 in about 95 of them. Literally. As a stylist he's a huge nothing. Milks the Grammies and Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for at least ten unreadable meaningless yawners annually. I can't remember the last time he had something interesting or remotely provocative to say.

dan, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

More on Robert Hilburn

After George Harrison's death, he opened with "It's the end of an era." Which era is that, Bob?. The Traveling Wilburys era? The solo George era? The one dead Beatle era? He never said. He went on to write that if U2 had been making records when the Beatles were, then the two bands would have been equally popular. I'm not making this up.

dan, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's sorta fun now, though, finally, to look at his flailings. You really can play the Robert Hilburn drinking game -- a shot whenever he says "Beatles," "U2," "Bruce," "passion," etc.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There is a great/bizarre Hilburn story I have, though -- according to friend ML, at one point he really did care about music back in the seventies, to the point where he did a huge writeup about a new underground group coming to play a show. Said group -- Throbbing Gristle. Allegedly the virulent reaction on the part of the trendy audience which had flocked to the show forced him to start rethinking his pieces -- so arguably his wriitng is idiotic these days because he's specifically tailoring them for his audience.

On a slightly more slanderous note, scuttlebutt from a friend at an LA record company -- one of the Big Ones -- is that a few years back he tried to leverage said company to sign either his son or his nephew, I forget which, to a recording contract. Let us thank our lucky stars that disaster never occurred.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You could add Pearl Jam to that list, Ned.

I wanted to punch Hilburn's face in after Joey Ramone died, his obituary was so stupid and mean-spirited and dismissive. Something like "U2 and R.E.M. and Pearl Jam liked Joey Ramone and for that reason alone we must acknowledge his importance in the grand scheme of things..."

He's even more square than Dave Marsh. Pathetic.

Arthur, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My god keep these Hilburn quotes coming, they're hilarious! :)

Omar, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

his son/nephew might have been a rock god!!

mark s, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i really can't stand ann powers' writing, in part because you can see her straining to prove that she knows her cultural studies in every piece she writes, and in part because she sometimes ... makes the truth a bit malleable in order to fit her thesis.

sarah vowell's attempts to write about pop music always grated on me for their 'all snark, no substance' ethos, although i don't know if she's doing music writing so much now.

i don't really get the appeal of ben greenman, who's a favorite son over at mcsweeney's and who writes about pop music for the new yorker. i find his writing uninspired and his insights pedestrian at best.

most of the 'mainstream indie' pubs - pitchfork, magnet, et al - are for the most part horrid, proof that once you give the former strivers outside of the mainstream any sort of respect they'll take liberties in wankery/establishments of canons that they'd decry if taken by those in that oh-so-despised middle of the road.

maura, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Maura: why do I get such a strong sense of deja vu from your last paragraph above?

Michael Jones, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My favorite thing about Hilburn was his deep, soul-eating desire to coin a genre-name that would last. It really frosted him that none of his terms took; all of them were coined specifically to celebrate the stylistic inroads carved by Bruce Springsteen and U2. Springsteen's profound influence on C & W could be seen in the collected works of Lone Justice, Rank & File (oh man did he ever love Rank & File), and the Blasters, part of a "movement" which Hilburn deemed Nu Country. Bands that played brassy bright guitar-heavy rock and favored major keys? Those are the U2's heirs, the bands whose style is called "The New Optimism." I am not making this up.

He loved Prince from "Controversy" and maybe even "Dirty Mind," though. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

John Darnielle, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am not making this up.

No indeed.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

There's a concept, Hilburn and I. Bound to be better than My Dinner With Robert.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Honorable mention goes to the Detroit Free Press's Brian McCollum, who is not only a Hilburn acolyte but also a scab. Crossing a picket line to write about the integrity of U2, hmm...

Nicole, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

>>> Maura: why do I get such a strong sense of deja vu from your last paragraph above?

I don't know. Does she? Does anyone? Plese tell!

the pinefox, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

= PLEASE (Please, Please).

the pinefox, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

maybe we've shared a drink at a pub somewhere within the past two years ;)

maura, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I haven't contributed to this thread yet? Sheeot.

Rob Sheffield (a fine writer) manages to irk me every time I read anything he's written - just a turn of phrase, some snarky comment, SOMETHING. Even when I agree with him, he pisses me off. Eric Weisbard, especially during his "the end of Nirvana = the end of everything" phase, managed to push my buttons. I seem to have a pet peeve for folks who A) write end-of-year synopses for Spin (promoting their own agenda) or B) appear on VH1 & MTV specials (again, promoting their own agenda). (I exclude Mr. Douglas Wolk, of course, being the exception for his appearance on some long-forgotten VH1 show discussing Skip Spence. I think I even saw Sasha Frere-Jones on some show once as well. But Alan Light, Joe Levy, Ms. Powers, Mr. John Farley, Ms. Ali, anyone appearing on those VH1 "heavy metal" specials telling me what "rocks" - dear God, STOP IT!) (I think they are, actually - here's hoping.)

I will ask this question until someone brands my tongue with a hot rivet - why do you ask MUSIC JOURNALISTS about what constitutes ROCK STARDOM? You don't ask Alice Cooper about Stockhausen, do you?

David Raposa, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

maybe we've shared a drink at a pub somewhere within the past two years

You mean you've not gone into print elsewhere on the web with that very para? If not, it genuinely was deja vu and the very strongest case of it I've had in a while. Weird.

Michael Jones, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Methinks VH1 needs to bring back Four on the Floor.

Andy K., Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

>>> maybe we've shared a drink at a pub somewhere within the past two years

Hey, that sentence has now appeared at least twice in the last four posts. Or am I getting deja vu too?

the pinefox, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Blimey - THREE times!!

the pinefox, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Andy, praytell, what was 4 On the Floor?

David Raposa, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Four on the Floor was a show VH1 ran on Sunday's around 11AM or so. They'd have the moderator (I forget who he was), and then they'd have a couple journalists and a token musician or industry type. Frequent guests were Anthony DeCurtis, Amy Linden, Scott Poulson-Bryant (sp?), JD Considine. I recall Robbie Robertson and Nile Rodgers representing the music-making side.

Andy K., Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh NO! It's a plural/possessive booboo. My biggest pet peeve! Must commit harry-caray now.

Andy K., Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'd like to see an article where rock journalists are asked about their perceived readership. Do they write for readers with their own levels of intelligence, sophistication, and taste? Or for an imagined reader who's a little less hip and a little less smart? And how does this affect their work? And how does this square with what they perceive the role of the critic to be? And what is that exactly?

dan, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

hey, does this mean you're going to sing 'take me out to the ballgame' and wear horn rims?

i wonder, too, how much of a role editing and directives from above plays into some critics' brain-deadness. i know many people whose places of work have 'suggested' that they take a more 'populist' (spit ptui) angle -- ann powers was actually saying during interviews for her (terrible) book that she felt lucky at the times because she rarely had to dumb down.

maura, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

How frightening. Brr.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's a good thing that Ann Powers doesn't have to "dumb down". Otherwise we might not get gems like:

"Purity is a negative in this milieu; the more engaged a band is with every rock historical source, the more likely it is to hit pay dirt."

That's from a live review of--are you ready?--Stone Temple Pilots.

dan, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

wait, wait! my post wasn't meant to be construed as a defense of ann powers! it was merely pointing out that editors at most mainstream dailies don't have as much tolerance for different opinions/coverage of non-platinum bands!

maura, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I would never accuse you, Maura, of defending the writing of Ann Powers. I've never met her but she writes like a pretentious airhead. And I understand your point on editorial constraints that writers work under. I think there's such a thing as good, provocative writing that gets past editors and appeals to a general audience, but it involves more talent than most writers have or more work than they're willing to do.

dan, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

After today, definitely Caroline Sullivan. I didn't realize how awful her writing was til I read her profile of Adam Ant in the Guardian. She went out of her way to make him look shabby and sad, it seemed needlessly mean. What, couldn't she find any puppies to kick?

Nicole, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three months pass...
Oh god, Ann Powers. I thought I'd never have to hear HER name again after she mercifully left San Francisco, and thus the BAY GUARDIAN. Worst rockcrits, huh? Line 'em up, preferably against any available brick wall with Britney and Sum 41 posters on it: DeCurtis, yep. Marsh, present and incorrect? Check. Chuckles Eddy and Carducci, populist/mob/rabble apologists that they are - mmmhmm. But Gina bloody Arnold - aka Perfesser Marcus' lapdog - will now, forever and always be Numero Uno.

Michael Layne Heath, Tuesday, 16 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
Amusing rediscovery: yesterday I found a reference to an old conference paper by an academic, that said that Sinker (1988) and Savage (1995) had put Irish-English bands (eg Smiths, Oasis, Lennon, Lydon?) into an English box.

I wondered what on earth Mark S was doing pressing Oasis's canonical Brit claims in 1988.

I wonder what the relevant text is?

the pinefox, Thursday, 17 July 2003 11:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i wrote a piece abt "englishness" in rock — madness, the fall, the smiths — for nme: so i assume that

(it wz called "look back in anguish" but that title wasn't my idea)

it wz a good idea badly realised, i think: god knows there wz enough rubbishy "celtic soul" polemic in the mag at that time, so i possibly veered against that deliberately

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow: and I thought this geezer must have misconstrued you!

the pinefox, Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

well i think he wz kind of missing the point of the piece — an english-irish band can after all play with ideas of englishness w/o being pureblood themselves — but i haven't got very much to go on re his actual criticism, plus i'm aware the piece wasn't so great in the first place

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Not really a music journalist, but Julie Burchill usually makes me piss myself laughing with her unintentionally funny music articles.

And anyone who works at NME, obviously.

russ t, Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

*raises hand*

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Julie BurchillNot really a music journalist

give or take a decade or so of music journalism behind her... hse is pretty bad though...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

funny to see the hate poured on hilburn and powers, not so funny to have one replace the other : (

gershy, Monday, 3 September 2007 01:59 (eighteen years ago)

oh wow look at sterling going at juzwiak! how strange.

(so long ago, though)

r|t|c, Monday, 3 September 2007 10:22 (eighteen years ago)

four years pass...

http://www.fuse.tv/contributors/david-shapiro

buzza, Monday, 16 April 2012 04:18 (fourteen years ago)

not clicking on that but i am glad this is now the thread for updates on this guy

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Monday, 16 April 2012 09:26 (fourteen years ago)

i don't think david shapiro would claim to be a "Pop Journalist"

caulk the wagon and float it, Monday, 16 April 2012 14:35 (fourteen years ago)

three months pass...

Just read the new shindig's article on Strawberry Alarm Clock and have just been rereminded why I can't stand that writer. There is just way too much self-regarding noise in the piece.
Tend to find that any time I bother reading that guy. Used to annoy me that he'd get given items I wanted to find out about to review in various psych mags and I'd just be reminded that the guy was in love with himself instead of finding out about the product.

Stevolende, Saturday, 11 August 2012 17:31 (thirteen years ago)

Thank me very much oh wait.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 11 August 2012 17:36 (thirteen years ago)

what an odd thread to read over a decade (!) on

lex pretend, Saturday, 11 August 2012 17:41 (thirteen years ago)


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