Seriously, though, I'd actually deign to say the cultural influence of country (at least in America) is perhaps even greater than that of hiphop. Don't underestimate the red states.
― Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene), Friday, 26 May 2006 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link
"kidnap the president's wife without a plan" might be my favourite rap boast ever
― robin (robin), Saturday, 27 May 2006 07:09 (eighteen years ago) link
June
Ice Cube-Laugh Now, Cry Later June 6 Purple City-The Purple Album June 6 Busta Rhymes-The Big Bang June 13 Field Mob-Light Poles And Pine Trees June 13 Mr. Lif-Mo'Mega June 13 Raekwon-Only Built 4 Cuban Linx II June 20 Obie Trice-Second Round's On Me June 20 JR Writer-History In The Making June 27 Pimp C-Pimpulation June 27Lupe Fiasco-Food & Liquor June 27 Lloyd Banks-Rotten Album June 27
July
Hell Rell-Welcome To Hell July 11 J Dilla-The Shining July 11 Slim Thug-Still Platinum July 18 8Ball & MJG-Pure American Pimpin July 18 Freeway-Free At Last July 25
August
OutKast-Idlewild OST August 22 The Roots-Game Theory August 29 The Game-The Doctor's Advocate August 29
Summer Ol' Dirty Bastard-A Son Unique Pharrell Williams-In My MindMissy Elliot-Respect Me Saigon-The Greatest Story Never Told Project Pat-Crook By The Book Masta Killa-The East Is In The House The Fugees-Reconciliation DJ Muggs & Inspectah Deck-The Rebel And The Assassin Papoose-The Nacirema Dream Ghostface & MF DOOM-Swift & Changeable Clipse Hell-Hath No FuryMike Jones-The American DreamLudacris-Release TherapyYoung Buck-Bad Influence
Autumn?
Nas-NASDAQ Dow Jones Pharoahe Monch-Desire Kanye West-GraduationPaul Wall-Get Money, Stay True Sean Price-Jesus Price Superstar Common-Finding Forever Dr. Dre-Detox Lil' Jon-Crunk Rock Snoop Dogg-The Blue Carpet Treatment
― ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 27 May 2006 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 27 May 2006 12:59 (eighteen years ago) link
I do kinda wish that it was all like the Just Blaze tracks though! Is that boring of me?
Chuck I want a new Field Mob album too! And I haven't even heard the much-feted Ciara collab-o yet!
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 27 May 2006 13:18 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRg7PpKQLhw&search=field%20mob%20so%20what
But here is my favorie Field Mob video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-phGHkFU6c&search=field%20mob%20lonely
And here is an even better song called "So What":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzKMEqBoFys&search=anti%20nowhere%20league
― xhuxk, Saturday, 27 May 2006 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― don, Saturday, 27 May 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― rtccc (mwah), Saturday, 27 May 2006 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― don, Saturday, 27 May 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link
backwudz is real dope, too bad they went w/ the novelty joint instead of picking from one of a dozen nicer tracks
― and what (ooo), Saturday, 27 May 2006 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 27 May 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― robin (robin), Saturday, 27 May 2006 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Numb Greesee (pds37), Sunday, 28 May 2006 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link
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― max (maxreax), Monday, 29 May 2006 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:33 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't mean that it can't or shouldn't be an AO genre. I just mean that outside of the rappers I mentioned (and the so-called "underground," debatably), rap isn't known for its albums. Seriously--there are probably a couple dozen or so great rap "albums" (in the classic, rockist sense of album: a coherent, cohesive, unified statement) for all the thousands of incredible rap songs. It doesn't make it better/worse than rock (which itself is only thought of as an AO genre because of the 1970s, which is kind of lame).
Obv. there are exceptions on all sides. I don't mean, though, that rap is inherently song-oriented (although I think one could make a case), just that through the mechanisms of the industry and American culture for the last 30 or however many years, it has evolved into a largely song-oriented genre.
― max (maxreax), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Monday, 29 May 2006 01:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Monday, 29 May 2006 02:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:06 (eighteen years ago) link
-- and what (an...) (webmail), May 28th, 2006 8:07 PM.
young buck & dj drama - case dismissed balance - young & restless trae & dougie d - year of the underdawgs young joc & dj burn one - gorilla in da trunk 8 b.g. - heart of tha streetz vol 2 anthony hamilton - aint nobody worryin styles p & supa mario - ghost in the machine lil wayne & dj drama - dedication 2 bronze nazareth - the great migration dem franchize boyz - on top of our game dj chuck t - down south slangin blends ras kass - revenge of the spit ne-yo - in my own words copywrite & dj 730 - hiphop disciples xvii dj drama - welcome to the atl louis logic & jj brown - misery loves comedy the coup - pick a bigger weapon bhi - the snap movement aceyalone - magnificent city instrumentals
-- and what (an...) (webmail), May 28th, 2006 8:10 PM.
trilltown mafia - welcome to trilltown lil boosie & silky slim - keep it gutta nasty nardo - already famous gilles peterson & jazzanova - kings of jazz alchemist - the chemistry files trae - restless
-- and what (an...) (webmail), May 28th, 2006 10:40 PM.
― and what (ooo), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:09 (eighteen years ago) link
Yeah, and most rock albums are tedious, too.
― max (maxreax), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:12 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm not any happier with the albums than you are, I just don't really expect them to be great--all I need is four or five great singles.
― max (maxreax), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:16 (eighteen years ago) link
Yeah. My point (which has been made a million times before) is just that the "album" isn't some kind of ur-form of music that all genres need to partake in. I don't think rappers should be concerned with making great full albums.
― max (maxreax), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link
OTOH, maybe I should judge them more harshly because they're trying to make cohesive &c albums...
Sorry if I'm not making any sense.
― max (maxreax), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― tremendoid (tremendoid), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― max (maxreax), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― max (maxreax), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― max (maxreax), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― tremendoid (tremendoid), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― max (maxreax), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 29 May 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Monday, 29 May 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― don, Monday, 29 May 2006 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― deeej, Monday, 29 May 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― deeej, Monday, 29 May 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link
And although Frank is much wiser than me, I still think of albums as albums rather than EP fodder. I just like searching for hidden gold, I guess, rather than it being right there waiting for me on the altar.
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 29 May 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link
Let me revise: I like albums. I like the album as a "statement," as a collection of songs, etc. I grew up listening to AO rock.
That being said, I recognize (as I'm sure everyone here does) that the album isn't and shouldn't be the be-all, end-all of music. Therefore, when I receive an album (like King) that comes across as bloated, overlong, incoherent, fragmented, it doesn't necessarily bother me, especially if there are--as on King--four or five absolutely killer, top-notch songs, or even eight or nine better-than-average songs. I don't feel the need to denigrate or dislike the CD because it isn't a great "album," nor do I think that hip-hop is worsening because its albums--judged as albums--are increasingly bad.
However, if an artist is presenting his or her work as an album--and T.I. is presenting King as an "album" rather than a "collection of songs" or whatever the alternative might be--I should probably be judging it based on whatever criteria I have for albums--coherence and so forth--and thusly judge it poor: too many bad songs, too many skits, too many guest appearances.
So, what I'm trying to say--the state of hip-hop: great. The state of the hip-hop album: shitty. But they aren't the same thing. AKA--I'm judging rap albums using a rock yardstick because I think the album is a rock thing, and yes, I understand I can judge them with a different yardstick but in the end I don't want to listen to an 80-minute album with 30 minutes of good tracks whether it's by T.I. or by Radiohead or whoever. So--that's to a large extent personal taste.
One last thing: the "rock paradigm" thing was sort of a dumb college-kid thing to say, I recognize that. But it's worth pointing out that in many ways T.I. is a different artist than, say, Yes--that T.I. is concerned more (at least from what I can tell, and obviously I'm jumping to conclusions) with creating specific, well-crafted songs, whereas Yes was concerned (and same caveats) more with creating specific, well-crafted albums. Obv. the role of singles and the Top 40 influences this--most if not all acts above a certain level on the "popularity" scale in the US (or at least, their labels) are probably more concerned with single/song creation than with "album" creation, b/c that's what gets play on MTV, etc. Note again that I'm jumping to conclusions all over the place and everything I say is probably refutable, but--I'm putting it out there anyway.
And FWIW--I have long albums, I've listened to them before, and bands I love make them. So I'm aware (and I'm sorry for not making this clear) that rock albums are and can be as boring as rap albums. Frankly, I don't think the "state of the rock album" is any better than the "state of the rap album." And I can't really say I care.
And it's Max, not Matt.
― max (maxreax), Monday, 29 May 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― deeej, Monday, 29 May 2006 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link
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― max (maxreax), Monday, 29 May 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― max (maxreax), Monday, 29 May 2006 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link
Most hip-hop Yes song: "Owner of a Lonely Heart," but that's obvious.
― xhuxk, Monday, 29 May 2006 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― deeej, Monday, 29 May 2006 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link