Here's a bit more looking inside the machinations (i.e., exercised editorial discretion) of Pfork, 11 listmakers (# of votes; ranking average; poll position):
Deerhoof: Friend Opportunity (6; 12; 31) Liars: Liars (6; 12.9; 20) Bon Iver: For Emma, Forever Ago (6; 15.16; 29) Dan Deacon: Spiderman of the Rings (6; 15.3; 24) The Arcade Fire: Neon Bible (6; 17.83; 27) Black Lips: Good Bad Not Evil (6; 18.33; 35) Dizzee Rascal: Maths + English (5; 10.6; 49) Les Savy Fav: Let's Stay Friends (5; 12.81; 44) Ghostface Killah: The Big Doe Rehab (5; 14.2; 42) Marissa Nadler: Songs III: Bird on the Water (5; 15.8; 46) The White Stripes: Icky Thump (5; 15.82; 39)
― dblcheeksneek, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Crunching the number of the individual lists of PFork writers/contributors, here's a baker's dozen of notable snubs (# of votes; ranking average):
Simian Mobile Disco: Attack Decay Sustain Release (7; 17.14) Band of Horses: Cease to Begin (6; 10.5) Blonde Redhead: 23 (6; 13) Nina Nastasia & Jim White: You Follow Me (6; 13.16) Matthew Dear: Asa Breed (6; 15) Grinderman: Grinderman (6; 20.66) Apparat: Walls (5; 12.4) Klaxons: Myths of the Near Future (5; 12.81) PJ Harvey: White Chalk (5; 12.97) Times New Viking: Present the Paisley Reich (5; 14.4) The Twilight Sad: Fourteen Autumns and Fifteen Winters (5; 15.4) !!!: Myth Takes (5; 16) Sir Richard Bishop: Polytheistic Fragments (4; 12)
Fwiw, Apparat, even with its average thinned over five votes, still outperformed listmakers Yeasayer (3; 20) and Beirut (3; 14). I dug into the individual lists' numbers because I figured there were albums/artist popular among the writers but their popularity didn't make the final cut (but nonetheless might be worth giving a shot).
-- dblcheeksneek, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:59 (19 minutes ago) Link
interesting stats. here's one omission you missed with comparable numbers:
UGK: Underground Kingz (5; 13.2)
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:38 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm just guessing here, but at the top of the individual lists it says that the top 50 was culled from each writer's top 50, even though only top 25 was posted. so i guess if les savy fav was in everyone's top 50, that would propel it ahead of ugk if ugk was only in like 7 or 8 writers top 50s.
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:42 (sixteen years ago) link
My bad, I had UGK at four votes and 14.75, just ahead of Gui Boratto: Chromophobia (4; 15).
― dblcheeksneek, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:49 (sixteen years ago) link
I think you might just be on to something there (and figured out why I majored in English and not Math)! I just sorted the top fifty vote getters (according to the posted Top 25's) and 41 of them earned "poll" positions (whereas the other (9), from my list of "snubs" probably didn't appear much/often in the 26-50 ranks we didn't see)...ahem...as interesting as all this is...anyway...
― dblcheeksneek, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:56 (sixteen years ago) link
"objectively speaking"
― Jordan, Friday, 21 December 2007 01:47 (sixteen years ago) link
LQTM, too.
― dblcheeksneek, Friday, 21 December 2007 01:50 (sixteen years ago) link
I won't vote as I am only now catching up on 2007 releases. :-( However if I am allowed to pick Robyn's s/t that woiuld top my list.
― stevienixed, Friday, 21 December 2007 01:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Surprising (to me) non-listeds:
Mekons Shellac The Fall Qui
― Usual Channels, Friday, 21 December 2007 02:10 (sixteen years ago) link
not surprising to me, older bands rarely seem to do well on Pitchfork year end lists, with some exceptions (often reunions/comebacks, like Dinosaur Jr. this year).
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 21 December 2007 02:18 (sixteen years ago) link
qui was on the rockarolla magazine list. pretty bad record though.
― scott seward, Friday, 21 December 2007 02:19 (sixteen years ago) link
yea i thought the shellac record would fare better than it has in these lists. it got quite a lot of positive attention when it came out.
― Mark Clemente, Friday, 21 December 2007 02:38 (sixteen years ago) link
no the field?? can anyone explain why?
― Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr, Friday, 21 December 2007 08:53 (sixteen years ago) link
OK, it's the one you've all been waiting for... the Nottingham Evening Post!
1 - Radiohead, 2 - Arcade Fire, 3 - White Stripes, 4 - Bruce Springsteen, 5 - Grinderman, 6 - The Good The Bad & The Queen, 7 - Kevin Ayers, 8 - LCD Soundsystem, 9 - Kings of Leon, 10 - Nick Lowe.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 21 December 2007 11:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Four of these are in my Top 50, Radiohead isn't because I'm old in my ways and I want to hear it on a Proper CD, which doesn't come out until Hogmanay, Bruce and Nick would have been in my 51-60 section if I'd done one, Stripes and Grinderman I didn't feel and Kings Of Leon I have never felt, and furthermore I now automatically think of the X-Factor.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 21 December 2007 11:43 (sixteen years ago) link
That's quite a sentence.
― dblcheeksneek, Friday, 21 December 2007 14:02 (sixteen years ago) link
karmic payback for the ridiculously high score on metacritic
― blueski, Friday, 21 December 2007 14:06 (sixteen years ago) link
not actually that popular beyond dance critics?
― Matos W.K., Friday, 21 December 2007 14:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Jordan is correct re the pitchfork albums poll.
― Tim F, Friday, 21 December 2007 14:23 (sixteen years ago) link
I just hope my crate-digging intent in crunching the available Pfork numbers isn't lost in translation: I feel like I found some interesting albums in tallying discs that repeatedly made individual Top 25's but didn't make the year-end poll.
However, the list-making album(s) I'm beyond intrigued by by now is the Studio disc(s).
― dblcheeksneek, Friday, 21 December 2007 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Studio's West Coast EP is fantastic, so I imagine the full-length (which has many of the same tracks) is just as fantastic.
BTW, Tim F.'s opening few posts on the Studio thread paint a vivid picture of how the disc sounds.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 21 December 2007 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link
man, i've been listening to the tracks from pitchfork's 100 tracks. i can't believe my ears. so many not-so-interesting tracks. groove armada? ellis-bextor? BARR? dirty projectors? bat for lashes? magic markers? no age? old time relijun? times new viking? so this is the sound of indie rock right now? correct me if i'm way off because it's been a long time since i listened to indie stuff.
― Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr, Friday, 21 December 2007 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link
dblcheeksneek, when you're done lqtying, you should check out studio, "indo" especially
― kamerad, Friday, 21 December 2007 15:36 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't think those represent ''the sound of indie rock right now,'' but complaints about the supposedly tired state of ''the sound of indie rock right now'' are old as dirt (i.e., they've been around forever).
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 21 December 2007 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link
XP, obv.
Those tracks don't really represent "the sound of indie rock" at all. I don't know if you could create a representative sample of indie rock tracks in 2007, but if you could Old Time Fucking Relijun definitely would not be in the conversation.
I dunno, the non-indie rock tracks on the Pitchfork list aren't really very interesting either. There were some good albums in 2007 but it really just wasn't a great year for individual tracks.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 21 December 2007 16:09 (sixteen years ago) link
That Groove Armada track is good, duke.
― The Reverend, Friday, 21 December 2007 18:12 (sixteen years ago) link
between UGK and dblcheeksneek's list most of 51-60 on the p4k list are mentioned. Clientele and Menomena were also in there. We do have a slightly complicated tallying system for each list.
― scottpl, Friday, 21 December 2007 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link
slightly complicated, yet evidently mostly democratic.
― dblcheeksneek, Friday, 21 December 2007 19:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Boomkat's charts, inc. charts form Skull Disco, Robt Wyatt and others.
― Raw Patrick, Friday, 21 December 2007 19:09 (sixteen years ago) link
actually matos, i'd suspect the field was way more popular with non-dance critics than dance critics. and that no age is pretty great, durrr, give the album a shot.
― pshrbrn, Friday, 21 December 2007 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link
that boomkat list is awesome! kind of seems what the wire's list should've been...
― Mark Clemente, Friday, 21 December 2007 19:13 (sixteen years ago) link
i'd suspect the field was way more popular with non-dance critics than dance critics
Seconding Phil here.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 December 2007 19:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Not that I mean that as a dis. (Although I don't really see what the fuss was about, at all. That record to me feels like one half-decent idea, never fully baked, repeated over and over and over again. And no, I don't think that's what all techno (or minimal or whatever) does.)
― pshrbrn, Friday, 21 December 2007 20:48 (sixteen years ago) link
That record to me feels like one half-decent idea, never fully baked, repeated over and over and over again.
yes! sometimes this half-decent idea works -- there are parts of the album i enjoy -- but most of the time it gets pretty stale quite quickly. the half-bakedness of it all really shows, i think.
― Mark Clemente, Friday, 21 December 2007 20:58 (sixteen years ago) link
I actually really like it -- got on my Idolator ballot because I kept listening to it, the basic rule of thumb -- but no question it's simpler in comparison to something like, say, P***a B**r. Yet I also retain a belief than 'simpler' != 'worse.'
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 December 2007 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link
no question it's simpler in comparison to something like, say, P***a B**r.
Arrgh.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 21 December 2007 21:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Of all people to have that touch a nerve with!
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 December 2007 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Prada Boar?
― The Reverend, Friday, 21 December 2007 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link
They're out there, you know.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 December 2007 21:12 (sixteen years ago) link
No, I don't think that simpler != worse either. But I don't think that the Field is quite "simple" (to use a reductive shorthand term) enough. I'd rather listen to purer drone music (Rosy Parlane, say). I don't think the Field's sound design is terribly good, either -- those hi-hats are pure meh. Rhythmically, it's also snoozeville; I'd rather he'd left out the kick and hi-hats altogether, since all they're really doing is keeping metronomic time.
― pshrbrn, Friday, 21 December 2007 21:27 (sixteen years ago) link
Rosy Parlane, say
Mmm, Rosy Parlane. I should dig those discs out, thanks for the inadvertant reminder! :-)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 December 2007 21:29 (sixteen years ago) link
What's annoying with The Field is that he clearly put a lot of effort into "Over The Ice" and "Things Keep Falling Down" (both of which sound really smartly constructed and effective to boot - esp. the former) but most of the new tracks on the album simply take the underlying formula to those tracks and deploy them without any extra ideas. I suppose you could say he was moving towards some idea of sonic purity, but it's not like a Basic Channel story where the simpler the grooves the more eternal and natural they sound - The Field is far too herky-jerky for that.
― Tim F, Friday, 21 December 2007 21:43 (sixteen years ago) link
ned, you heard the new one on touch, right? it's luscious.
― pshrbrn, Friday, 21 December 2007 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Yup. I think I reviewed it for the AMG, not sure.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 December 2007 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link
term out: arpeggiator term in: herky-jerkiator!
― blueski, Friday, 21 December 2007 22:02 (sixteen years ago) link
That Skull Disco free mix linked to above was pleasant enough but it's not making me jump up and down or smile broadly--it's just standard dub meets art disco...
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 22 December 2007 00:02 (sixteen years ago) link
I reckon Skull Disco tracks work better in the mix with other stuff rather than as one big conglomerate.
― Tim F, Saturday, 22 December 2007 00:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Philip/Tim OTM re: The Field. I was actually just discussing this recently in an email. It's kind of frustrating when he hits a really great initial groove (e.g. "Everyday") and then the lack of development in drum programming/sound design really start to hinder things midway through.
― Michael F Gill, Saturday, 22 December 2007 00:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Gosh, I think Everyday really kicks into gear at around the 2:00 mark, just after the chopped up female vocals. I actually thought one of The Field's strengths was how he shift gears so well during a song.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 22 December 2007 00:21 (sixteen years ago) link