Year-End Critics' Polls '07

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here are three more RA polls

<a href=http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature-read.aspx?id=867>;Top 5 Remixes</a>
<a href=http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature-read.aspx?id=869>;Top 10 labels</a>
<a href=http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature-read.aspx?id=866>;Top 10 albums</a>

good dog, Thursday, 20 December 2007 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link

lol

J0rdan S., Thursday, 20 December 2007 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link

i finally manage to log in after 6 months of this nu-ILX business and it doesn't do HTML

good dog, Thursday, 20 December 2007 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link

On that note, I've been meaning to ask -- are comments like these ones below meant to be jokes? Because if not, they reallly, really bug me.

kornrulez69 did it for the lulz. These others, not so much.

The Reverend, Thursday, 20 December 2007 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link

http://singingfool.com/photos/695/029208_21.jpg

IF THEY ASK YOU WHY WE DID IT, HEY! WE DID IT FOR LULZ

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 20 December 2007 20:22 (sixteen years ago) link

haha

The Reverend, Thursday, 20 December 2007 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Here is Simon Reynolds, in his Idolator essay last year:

What's striking about all these genres is that they're not just unpop, they're anti-pop. Rejecting the pop principles of accessibility and instantness, they're hard to find and hard to get into. Noise, dubstep, and extreme metal are also hard sounding, mixing varying degrees of aggression and abstraction, physical impact and structural convolution. Ideologically, they are ultra-rockist, cherishing a trinity of interlocking values—difficulty, danger, darkness—and fervently upholding the ideal of underground versus mainstream.

(later):

there's been a return to a default-mode rockism that prizes substance, complexity, edge. If TV on the Radio and Joanna Newsom represent the beguiling, easy-on-the-ear version of those values, those looking for a harder hit are turning to metal, dubstep, noise. There's much to admire about those renegade genres: the seriousness, the earnest aspiration to innovate and overwhelm, the sheer strenuousness and commitment entailed in being a fan.

And Burial's shadowy photo was at the top of the piece. So it was a little weird to finally hear music by the guy, and to find out it was just pleasantly "dark" background mood schlock, not especially difficult or dangerous or substantive or complex or edgy or hard or innnovative in any way I could determine. If people had been telling me that all along (and if the mood music struck me as remotely distinctive, or beautiful), maybe I'd get it. (Maybe people were saying that, though, and I just didn't read them. It's not like I went out of my way to read Burial reviews, and Simon's opinions aren't always everybody else's -- and anyway, I guess he's actually talking about the whole dubstep genre, above, not Burial per se'. But for whatever reasons, I was still expecting, and hoping for, way more than I wound up getting with the music.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 20 December 2007 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link

(Er, actually, that was a Pazz & Jop essay, not an Idolator essay.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 20 December 2007 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link

<I>I mean artistically safe, I mean "not taking chances," and "no real risks, no real rewards," safe.</i>

But these phrases are all so cliched, and I think you could easily apply them to ANY music you felt wasn't taking the chances YOU wanted it to. By your suggestion that Burial is "wallpaper" music I suspect you want it to be more aggressive, perhaps. But I don't think that making melancholic, even "pretty" music necessarily has to be safe.

I don't think Burial's music is perfect, in the slightest, so I don't mean for my reply to be taken as a blanket defense of him. Perhaps more than anything else I appreciate it on a technical level ("how'd he get those hi-hats to do that?") but I am also moved emotionally by it. Anyway, forgive the snarkiness of the Jan Wenner comment; I just would like to see the terms like "safe" unpacked a bit more, because they're thrown around so casually as to be all but meaningless. Your use of it says more to me about your mindset than it does the music in question.

pshrbrn, Thursday, 20 December 2007 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Sadly, most dubstep hasn't held up to the rhetoric of danger that was used to prop it up.

pshrbrn, Thursday, 20 December 2007 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link

(Which I suppose makes sense, following in a long tradition of UK breakbeat genres that were supposed to be really scaaaaary -- hello, tech-step -- but quickly calcified into a pretty conventional set of tropes.)

pshrbrn, Thursday, 20 December 2007 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I think a far more genuine take on dubstep's "darkness" is supplied by Skull Disco, who appropriate a Pushead-style cartoon gore aesthetic; you can't quite take the gloom seriously. (For my money, they're also just about the most interesting dubstep out there, and getting moreso, though they're also moving away from the genre.)

pshrbrn, Thursday, 20 December 2007 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link

appleblim - vansam for the win!

good dog, Thursday, 20 December 2007 20:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Chuck what phil is implying is correct: don't bother with persevering with dubstep for frights.

The tying in of dubstep with hardness, darkness etc. is very much a latterday thing - dubstep itself was pretty much bass-heavy mood music for a long time. It's only since parts of it have gotten very shrill and cliche-dystopian in the last two years or so that these ideas have started floating around, more as some sort of ideological compensation for the sonic paucity. At least techstep actually was dark and scary and good all at once for about 18 months or so.

The link that Burial has to Simon's overall argument has more, I think, to do with the overacted seriousness of its pleasure - it's the staged refusal of any moments of lightheartedness or even any bouncy intensity that can give Burial that "schlocky" feel. This is why he reminds me so much of the DJ Shadow's The Private Press, an album that I very much like because of its schlockiness, so I'm not trying to criticise Burial in saying this. Perhaps for me Burial only works insofar as it is a schlocky exercise, and I think there's a sense to which his own commentary on his music implies this. This is why there can be such a disconnect between Burial's music and Burial-crit, most of which tries to tie his overt melodrama into some overarching aesthetic of authentic emotions... Burial as the streets' own traumatised memory bank etc. etc. ad nauseum.

Tim F, Thursday, 20 December 2007 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Private Press is pretty playful (at times)!

Jordan, Thursday, 20 December 2007 20:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah hence the "much of" - ignore the uptempo tracks and focus on "You Can Never Go Home Again" etc. and the comparison survives.

Tim F, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Just to clarify, Tim, you're saying that the 'streets' trope is a critical one vs. whatever it is Burial thinks about his own music, etc.? At least that's how I'm seeing it.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:00 (sixteen years ago) link

No Burial himself uses this kind of language as well, but I think he's a bit more self-aware and erm proportionate in how he explains what he's doing vis a vis the music he draws on.

Tim F, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:01 (sixteen years ago) link

I made a compilation for a friend about a year ago "explaining" Burial - I put on some 2-step and "We Need A Resolution" and then stuff which i thought kind of captured what he then does to this source material - the key stuff being Shadow, Tricky's "Broken Homes" (he even has a track called "Broken Home") and Donnacha Costello's "Dry Retch", which is the closest thing i've found to his cumulus cloud synth work. Oh and the Vladislav Delay remix of Rhythm & Sound.

Tim F, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link

I always wonder about the use of 'the streets' in these contexts, but to me it's interesting because dubstep in general specifically always suggests a wet-from-rain London street corner waiting-for-the-late-bus feeling. Melancholic but not threatening, and definitely not a sign of its being real as such except by implication, ie, "Damn, it's cold and I'd rather be home."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Hmm that take is quite similar to Tom's piece linked above (which is excellent - check it out if you haven't already) - at least as applied to Burial.

Dubstep doesn't really have much to do with "the streets" as far as I can tell (though as I'm over here in Australia I probably shouldn't presume to judge) - a lot of the crit around it is somewhat caught up in that methodology though. I think this will probably change though as the dubstep audience progressively morphs into a pollywog-style post-breakbeat audience who really don't give two shits about grime (whence all the street-talk came). It's a kind of a bemusing process for me to watch though, if only because my position is even more antiquarian (basically that OG 2-step was not only some kind of aesthetic pinnacle, but also a kind of standard against which critics should hurl their clunky crit concepts as a kind of testing ground).

Tim F, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link

We can't have you be old, Tim, it's just not on. And yes, been meaning to check out that FT piece...

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:14 (sixteen years ago) link

I def. think you're on the right track in terms of questioning these too-easy critical manoeuvres.

Tim F, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, it feels terribly exhausted on a *wide* variety of levels to talk about music's 'realness' in an era of widespread availability that, while arguably limited first and foremost to a certain economically-viable subset of folks worldwide (ie, the time and money and security to be able to randomly download and talk about whatever), is still in more of a flux state in the -- very short! -- history of recorded music than ever. If that makes any sense. The decoupling of artifact and content makes for randomness beyond anyone's imaginings because it wasn't fully understood until we were all well in it, random Wired and Mondo 2000 fever dreams aside.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I think that's a tempting concept from the perspective of an internet music omnivore, but it feels a little, I don't know, co-optive? It may not take long before the world knows about any given little regional scene these days, but that doesn't mean that there aren't aspects that only make sense at ground level.

Jordan, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Entirely true, which is where I think the matter of projection as to what that ground level 'really' is from the omnivorous standpoint (and my quote abuse is noted but I'm trying to foreground the point) comes in even more strongly than ever.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:36 (sixteen years ago) link

"I think that's a tempting concept from the perspective of an internet music omnivore, but it feels a little, I don't know, co-optive? It may not take long before the world knows about any given little regional scene these days, but that doesn't mean that there aren't aspects that only make sense at ground level."

This is correct, but does it really apply to Burial? Burial's music strikes me as stuff that probably makes more sense to internet music omnivores than anyone else!

Tim F, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, totally, I wasn't talking about Burial specifically.

Jordan, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:41 (sixteen years ago) link

The last of The Wire's lists

Compilations

Achilifunk: Gipsy Soul 1969-1979 (Lovemonk)
After Dark (Italians Do It Better/Troubleman)
DJ Dixon: Body Language Vol 4 (Get Physical)
Box Of Dub: Dubstep And Future Dub (Soul Jazz)
Brazil 70: After Tropicalia: New Directions In Brazilian Music In The 1970s (Soul Jazz)
Broken Flag: A Retrospective 1982-1985 (Vinyl On Demand)
Cries From The Midnight Circus: Ladbroke Grove 1967-1978 (Castle)
Doom & Gloom: Early Songs Of Angst And Disaster 1927-1945 (Trikont)
LARM: From Mouth Cavity To Laptop (Kning Disk)
Mute Audio Documents 1978-1984 (Mute)
Psychedelic Phinland: Finnish Hippie And Underground Music 1967-1974 (Love)
Remove Celebrity Centre (Junior Aspirin)
Savage Pencil Presents Lion Vs Dragon In Dub (Trojan)
Silver Monk Time: A Tribute To The Monks (Play Loud!)
Skull Disco: Soundboy Punishments (Skull Disco)

Reissues

Neil Campbell - SOL POWR (Mundane Music)
Miles Davis - The Complete On The Corner Sessions (Sony)
Vladislav Delay - Multila (Huume)
Fairport Convention - Liege And Lief (Island)
Noah Howard - The Black Ark (Bo'weavil)
Keith Hudson - Brand (Pressure Sounds)
Annea Lockwood - Early Works 1967-82 (EM)
Ju Suk Reet Meate - Solo 78/79 (De Stijl)
Nico - The Frozen Borderline: 1968-1970 (Rhino)
Daphne Oram - Oramics (Paradigm)
Pentangle - The Time Has Come (Castle)
Eliane Radigue - Jetsun Mila (Lovely Music)
Terry Riley - Music For The Gift (Elision Fields)
Terry Riley - Poppy Nogood And The Phantom Band All Night Flight (Elision Fields)
Seefeel - Quique Redux Edition (Too Pure)
Sly & The Family Stone - There's A Riot Goin' On (Epic)
Sun Ra - Strange Strings (Atavistic Unheard Music Series)
Sun Ra - The Complete Disco 3000 Concert (Art Yard)
Young Marble Giants - Colossal Youth (Domino)

Phew, that was a good lot of typing practice today.

krakow, Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:55 (sixteen years ago) link

"But these phrases are all so cliched, and I think you could easily apply them to ANY music you felt wasn't taking the chances YOU wanted it to. By your suggestion that Burial is "wallpaper" music I suspect you want it to be more aggressive, perhaps. But I don't think that making melancholic, even "pretty" music necessarily has to be safe."

Yes, of course it could apply to any music that wasn't taking the chances I wanted it to. Just like saying something is boring means that I found it boring. Isn't this "subjective crit" 101?

Two things: First, I don't think that melancholic, pretty music has to be safe, which is why Burial disappointed me—it is melancholic and pretty music that IS safe. Second, by saying "wallpaper music," I meant that it seems best suited to atmospherics, and not to active listening.

There's nothing in it that surprises me, that makes me take more notice, that draws me further in—it seems remarkably flat, sonically, despite the obvious care in layers. Sure, it feels like waiting for a bus in the rain, but waiting for a bus in the rain is boring enough that I don't need a record to take me back to that.

I think I'd be happier with it if it removed all of what sounds, to my ear, like cliched dubstep rhythm tracks, and just left the washes of sound—at least then, I wouldn't have to wade through a tacked-on vestigial pseudo-techno to get to what's pretty (and even then, I'd have a hard time recommending it for repeat listens).

And regarding Burial and omnivores, I kind of feel like that's part of the disappointment for me—there are so many other options that are more in line with what I want out of music (novelty and depth?) that I just don't get why this one has been singled out since it doesn't seem to have any of that.

The age of internet omnivores means that I'm too used to having my mind blown to listen to stuff that doesn't connect.

As an aside, for me, reading the criticism around it feels like when Is This It came out and everyone got a hardon for the Strokes, but at least with the Strokes I could understand that there were decent songs there (just nothing that ever whipped me up into the same frenzy).

I eat cannibals, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:02 (sixteen years ago) link

"how'd he get those hi-hats to do that?"

this is really all i want to know about burial.

Jordan, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh, and thanks for that link to Skull Disco—I'm really enjoying the free mix they had up on their front page. It's pretty much what I hoped Burial would sound like (even though I probably wouldn't put something like this at my #1 slot or anything).

I eat cannibals, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link

see that makes more sense! i like yr comment about waiting for the bus. didn't mean to come off wrong, i just thought "safe," as shorthand, wasn't saying much.

did you get that skull disco mix to download? i haven't managed to. weird.

pshrbrn, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link

"didn't mean to come off wrong, i just thought "safe," as shorthand, wasn't saying much."

Oh, yeah, that's totally fair—it wasn't saying very much. And apologies for getting snippy, sometimes everything on ILX feels like sniping, and it gets my back up.

The Skull Disco was working at 1:30 PST, with nary a hiccup. Saved it, imported it, enjoyed it.

I eat cannibals, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Breaking news. . . NPR "All Songs Considered" listeners pick the best albums of 2007 (and yes 15 was missing from the listing I cut and pasted):

25. Artist: Rilo Kiley
Album: Under the Blacklight

24.Artist: Lily Allen
Album: Alright, Still

23.Artist: Tegan and Sara
Album: Con

22.Artist: Beirut
Album: Flying Club Cup

21Artist: Ryan Adams
Album: Easy Tiger

20.Artist: Okkervil River
Album: The Stage Names

19.Artist: Josh Ritter
Album: Historical Conquests of Josh Ritter

18.Artist: Bright Eyes
Album: Cassadaga

17.Artist: Band of Horses
Album: Cease to Begin

16.Artist: Of Montreal
Album: Hissing Fauna, Are You the Destroyer?

14.Artist: The New Pornographers
Album: Challengers

13.Artist: LCD Soundsystem
Album: Sound of Silver

12.Artist: Iron & Wine
Album: Shepherd's Dog

11.Artist: Amy Winehouse
Album: Back to Black

10.Artist: Andrew Bird
Album: Armchair Apocrypha

09.Artist: The National
Album: Boxer

08.Artist: The Shins
Album: Wincing the Night Away

07.Artist: Modest Mouse
Album: We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank

06.Artist: Spoon
Album: Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga

05.Artist: The White Stripes
Album: Icky Thump

04.Artist: Wilco
Album: Sky Blue Sky

03.Artist: Feist
Album: Reminder

02.Artist: Arcade Fire
Album: Neon Bible

01.Artist: Radiohead
Album: In Rainbows

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Crunching the number of the individual lists of PFork writers/contributors, here's a baker's dozen of notable snubs (# of votes; ranking average):

Simian Mobile Disco: Attack Decay Sustain Release (7; 17.14)
Band of Horses: Cease to Begin (6; 10.5)
Blonde Redhead: 23 (6; 13)
Nina Nastasia & Jim White: You Follow Me (6; 13.16)
Matthew Dear: Asa Breed (6; 15)
Grinderman: Grinderman (6; 20.66)
Apparat: Walls (5; 12.4)
Klaxons: Myths of the Near Future (5; 12.81)
PJ Harvey: White Chalk (5; 12.97)
Times New Viking: Present the Paisley Reich (5; 14.4)
The Twilight Sad: Fourteen Autumns and Fifteen Winters (5; 15.4)
!!!: Myth Takes (5; 16)
Sir Richard Bishop: Polytheistic Fragments (4; 12)

Fwiw, Apparat, even with its average thinned over five votes, still outperformed listmakers Yeasayer (3; 20) and Beirut (3; 14). I dug into the individual lists' numbers because I figured there were albums/artist popular among the writers but their popularity didn't make the final cut (but nonetheless might be worth giving a shot).

dblcheeksneek, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link

the apparat album is better than both those albums, objectively speaking

kamerad, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Here's a bit more looking inside the machinations (i.e., exercised editorial discretion) of Pfork, 11 listmakers (# of votes; ranking average; poll position):

Deerhoof: Friend Opportunity (6; 12; 31)
Liars: Liars (6; 12.9; 20)
Bon Iver: For Emma, Forever Ago (6; 15.16; 29)
Dan Deacon: Spiderman of the Rings (6; 15.3; 24)
The Arcade Fire: Neon Bible (6; 17.83; 27)
Black Lips: Good Bad Not Evil (6; 18.33; 35)
Dizzee Rascal: Maths + English (5; 10.6; 49)
Les Savy Fav: Let's Stay Friends (5; 12.81; 44)
Ghostface Killah: The Big Doe Rehab (5; 14.2; 42)
Marissa Nadler: Songs III: Bird on the Water (5; 15.8; 46)
The White Stripes: Icky Thump (5; 15.82; 39)

dblcheeksneek, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Crunching the number of the individual lists of PFork writers/contributors, here's a baker's dozen of notable snubs (# of votes; ranking average):

Simian Mobile Disco: Attack Decay Sustain Release (7; 17.14)
Band of Horses: Cease to Begin (6; 10.5)
Blonde Redhead: 23 (6; 13)
Nina Nastasia & Jim White: You Follow Me (6; 13.16)
Matthew Dear: Asa Breed (6; 15)
Grinderman: Grinderman (6; 20.66)
Apparat: Walls (5; 12.4)
Klaxons: Myths of the Near Future (5; 12.81)
PJ Harvey: White Chalk (5; 12.97)
Times New Viking: Present the Paisley Reich (5; 14.4)
The Twilight Sad: Fourteen Autumns and Fifteen Winters (5; 15.4)
!!!: Myth Takes (5; 16)
Sir Richard Bishop: Polytheistic Fragments (4; 12)

Fwiw, Apparat, even with its average thinned over five votes, still outperformed listmakers Yeasayer (3; 20) and Beirut (3; 14). I dug into the individual lists' numbers because I figured there were albums/artist popular among the writers but their popularity didn't make the final cut (but nonetheless might be worth giving a shot).

-- dblcheeksneek, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:59 (19 minutes ago) Link

interesting stats. here's one omission you missed with comparable numbers:

UGK: Underground Kingz (5; 13.2)

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:38 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm just guessing here, but at the top of the individual lists it says that the top 50 was culled from each writer's top 50, even though only top 25 was posted. so i guess if les savy fav was in everyone's top 50, that would propel it ahead of ugk if ugk was only in like 7 or 8 writers top 50s.

J0rdan S., Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:42 (sixteen years ago) link

My bad, I had UGK at four votes and 14.75, just ahead of Gui Boratto: Chromophobia (4; 15).

dblcheeksneek, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:49 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm just guessing here, but at the top of the individual lists it says that the top 50 was culled from each writer's top 50, even though only top 25 was posted. so i guess if les savy fav was in everyone's top 50, that would propel it ahead of ugk if ugk was only in like 7 or 8 writers top 50s.

I think you might just be on to something there (and figured out why I majored in English and not Math)! I just sorted the top fifty vote getters (according to the posted Top 25's) and 41 of them earned "poll" positions (whereas the other (9), from my list of "snubs" probably didn't appear much/often in the 26-50 ranks we didn't see)...ahem...as interesting as all this is...anyway...

dblcheeksneek, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:56 (sixteen years ago) link

"objectively speaking"

Jordan, Friday, 21 December 2007 01:47 (sixteen years ago) link

LQTM, too.

dblcheeksneek, Friday, 21 December 2007 01:50 (sixteen years ago) link

I won't vote as I am only now catching up on 2007 releases. :-( However if I am allowed to pick Robyn's s/t that woiuld top my list.

stevienixed, Friday, 21 December 2007 01:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Surprising (to me) non-listeds:

Mekons
Shellac
The Fall
Qui

Usual Channels, Friday, 21 December 2007 02:10 (sixteen years ago) link

not surprising to me, older bands rarely seem to do well on Pitchfork year end lists, with some exceptions (often reunions/comebacks, like Dinosaur Jr. this year).

Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 21 December 2007 02:18 (sixteen years ago) link

qui was on the rockarolla magazine list. pretty bad record though.

scott seward, Friday, 21 December 2007 02:19 (sixteen years ago) link

yea i thought the shellac record would fare better than it has in these lists. it got quite a lot of positive attention when it came out.

Mark Clemente, Friday, 21 December 2007 02:38 (sixteen years ago) link


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