Taking Sides: Patrick Cowley vs Arthur Russell

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these guys definitely spanned the gap of that period judging from the 82 stuff you posted and the 85 stuff I posted. I wouldn't reference italo like it's such a bad word, remember italo means Change as much as it means Tarzan Boy and I think a lot of that synthesizer boogie is closely related to those aspects of italo.

i think i like every song mentioned above.. i wish more people would listen to all of this stuff.

when are we gonna get to hear soundclips of that unreleased patrick cowley thing that is about to come out? anybody now?

I like the direction this thread is going. All this sort of stuff was getting played regularly at the Negroclash parties in NYC when they were happening a few years back. I'm with Speculator in that I wish more people would latch onto it (again). Such a fun sound.

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o ya, i've got tons of this kinda stuff. some of it is too cheesy. this is one of the ones i've been stoked on lately though. definitely fits right in the middle of disco, boogie, italo and house

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiavEVcBifw

picked this up today:

http://www.discogs.com/Patrick-Cowley-They-Came-At-Night/release/188724

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[img=http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/110/l_3a5b7e7239364d02b0373bff3e1269ab.jpg]i once designed a flyer to look like a patrick cowley record[/img]

fuck u ilx code

funny, i was once on a flyer designed to look like a patrick cowley record/img

oh, the good ol' days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I0ML2KAcIA

I'm not sure if this is proto-house or proto-freestyle but its my jam.

dan selzer, if you taught a class, wrote a book, or started a cult I would be there. coherent, intelligent, non-chin-scratching perspective on dance music is hard to find.

thanks, I like when people say nice things about me.

I have that Phyllis Nelson record, as well as another called "Don't Stop the Train", which is definitely HI-NRG. "I Like You" is pretty HI-NRG as well.

This is my jam...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnRJjuW7y3M

And I did teach a class in dance music once. Oberlin College had a thing called Exco (experimental college), where students could teach classes for 2 or 3 credits and take student-taught classes for 1 or 2 credits. I taught a class on David Cronenberg films and when I was a senior I took a class on Pink Floyd that was all first year students who'd smoke pot then listen to Dark Side. I did a Syd Barrett lecture though. But earlier on all these sports dudes had a "Techno" class where they'd take drugs and listen to bad techno circa 1994. One year I took the class with Morgan Geist and a woman we called "Rave Feve-y Dogg" for reasons I'm not sure I remember. Anyway, that year and the following year when I didn't take the class but knew the folks who ran it, I lectured on the history of electronic dance music. I remember playing Cluster's Zuckerziet and Silver Apples and Eno's synth bassline in Virginia Plain and Kraftwerk and Parliament and I Feel Love and Moroder and Man Parrish. If only I knew then what I know now...

Speaking of Morgan Geist, isn't he doing some remix of an unreleased Patrick Cowley project?

http://www.residentadvisor.net/news.aspx?id=10626

thats what I hear.

so i've got one song on a comp (billie's "nobody's business"), but where else should i begin with jarvis and/or regisford productions?

their shit together is what's up: Visual's "Somehow Someway" and especially "The Music Got Me" on Prelude, Tony Cook And The Party People "On The Floor (Rock-It)" on Halfmoon, dub mixes of Janice Christie's "One Love" and Choclette's "East Street Beat" on Supertronics. Timmy Regisford did dope mixes on Touch "Without You" on Supertronics and Colonel Abrams' "I'm Not Gonna Let". those are some of my favorites.

more details on that unreleased cowley project: this will be fantastic, right?

pretty exciting. this makes it sound like it's got some of his Indoor Life stuff: will be a shock for Patrick Cowley's fans. It's way beyond his Hi NRG Disco stuff - a post-punk, new wave, experimental Cowley.

this crowley guy sounds interesting, nice thread!

i really like that stuff too, i've been calling it garage or proto-house. i would say, besides boyd jarvis/timmy regisford/tony humphreys/eric matthews, the other guy who did lots of big records in that vein is paul simpson.

should this stuff have a thread of its own?

I just shoehorn this stuff into boogie. I kind of like the ambiguity of the genre, I don't think there is any constructive reason for segregating this stuff from the rest of the post-disco R&B stuff.

This is my favorite Paul Simpson joint:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cijl3Y1HQNE

I used to play the hell out of this record at my old residency. Streetwise Records was a goldmine of wonderful music.

yeah but stuff like serious intention "you don't know" is pretty much house, no? doesn't seem too much like r&b or boogie to me. either way, it's great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcW5c6nG5PY

Paul Simpson did this great edit of Patti Labelle's Shy. Its sooo cheesy but so great.

Considering that its a dub mix of a Gamble and Huff penned song, I guess its pretty much house too.

And you also get stuff like Set It Off By Strafe, Music Is The Answer by Colonel Abrahms or All Played Out by L.I.F.E. or any other number of records that have the jack clap pattern before 1986. The ambiguity of black American DJ records between disco and house is the whole beauty of that period of music. As much as I love the old Chicago stuff, I love the fact that the Roland drum machine at 120-127bpm formula didn't apply yet.

If you REALLY need to put a label on this stuff so that you can pay inflated prices at curated record stores, go for it. When I play this stuff it gets mixed into all the other DJ records of the era and I don't need it to be in strict category. The idea of playing this stuff exclusively as a genre seems to miss the point of these records. You should be playing them with disco, italo, electro, boogie, classic house Ect. The whole point is that it isn't house yet, it isn't the formula that will dominate clubland for the next 20+ years. It was an era of flux and it's position within a set should reflect that.

I'm quite happy buying this stuff on the cheap, but I live in a section of the Midwest thats got very little use for dance music from this era (Wisconsin). So I buy everything on the cheap really, if I was in Chicago this stuff would be so much more expensive I wouldn't even bother.

one time-- a new thread for this stuff would not be amiss. No one's really talking about Russell or Cowley anymore and there's definitely a lot more to be said. (someone else start it, though, I'm not personally knowledgeable enough to frame it)

i <3 patrick cowley and have a couple of the proto house boogie electro italo tracks mentioned, but can someone curate a ysi? plz? i'll be checking leonardo.

What a weird comparison to even make (the original premise of this thread). . . I don't get the basis of comparison.

I just went to start a new thread but instead somebody should revive one of these:

The post-disco pre-house clubbing scene

this is the proto-house youtube thread

i second sciolism, selzer and pappawheelie should get together and write a book/ set up a site/ make a dvd about all the post-disco musics

selzer and pappawheelie spent a few years trying to educate the masses in disco/post-disco musics and it only ended in drunken fights at 3 am in a williamsburg bar that smelled like cheese.

http://www.myspace.com/caponesbeatclub

Morgan Geist's "radio show" (the later volumes are more like mixtapes, just music) for the "Red Bull Music Academy" (I don't think I need to point out the irony there) lean pretty heavily on this era. Volume 2 of the series even contains an interview with Steve Knutson of Audika Records, which put out all those great Arthur Russell resissues, so you know you want to listen to that!

"Personal" w/Morgan Geist

Personal w/Morgan Geist

xpost, ah no way! would have loved to have checked out your night, you've both introduced me, and no doubt many others, to countless awesome songs and genres over the years on here

anyone heard anything from this catholic record yet? ive been hammering indoor life recently so was hoping for something in a similar vein

http://rcrdlbl.com/artists/Patrick_Cowley__Jorge_Socarras/track/Soon

:D :D :D

interviews with Jorge Socarras.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKvP9jkK8fU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmrkJu0asxQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g8P0N5TpTo

streaming on myspace. "i never want to fall in love" goofy - good goofy! "i'll come see you" reminds me a bit of ruth and grauzone. awesome. "soon" is downloadable at rcrd_lbl.

well. simultaneous thread revive :)

if by simultaneous you mean 8 minutes before you ;)

:)
(i let those two songs play while i waited to hit "submit post")

http://www.deejaypeeplay.com/megatronman/index.html

"Dance, Dance, Dance, by Marta Acuna is my favorite disco track ever."

I think I may have listened to this song 5 times on repeat today.
What a beauty. I know I may sound hyperbolic but tonight this seems like the perfect song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jzRwxdwK90