the Nirvana Box

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Songs on this set I don't currently own in any version on CD:
(* next to the ones I've NEVER heard, to my knowledge)
Heartbreaker*
Anorexorcist*
White Lace and Strange*
Help Me I'm Hungry*
Mrs. Butterworth*
If You Must
Pen Cap Chew
Raunchola/Moby Dick*
Beans
Don't Want It All*
Clean Up Before She Comes*
Blandest*
They Hung Him on a Cross*
Grey Goose*
Ain't It a Shame*
Token Eastern Song*
Even in His Youth
Opinion
Pay to Play
Here She Comes Now
Verse Chorus Verse
Old Age* (I've heard that Hole Unplugged versh, that's it)
Endless, Nameless
D-7
Oh the Guilt
Curmudgeon
Return of the Rat
I Hate Myself and I Want to Die
Moist Vagina
Gallons of Rubbing Alcohol Flow Through the Strip
The Other Improv*
Marigold
Sappy
Do Re Mi*
Immigrant Song*
Spank Thru
Talk to Me
Seasons in the Sun*

I'd say it's worth $50 to me just to have it all in one place, plus I want that DVD. Out of the ones I have heard, some I have on an 8 year old cassette dub, most not at all anymore. I just won't buy a PS2 game or whatever else I'd otherwise piss away $50 on this month.

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:44 (nineteen years ago) link

i am wondering how many of these songs are mislabelled or alternate titles. also, their inclusion of beans and mv really shows that they're scraping the bottom of the barrel on this one.

jushinthunderliger (deangulberry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Eh, I dunno about that. Beans, while pointless filler, was on all those mid 90s bootlegs, so might as well. As far as MV goes, as they're rounding up all the b-sides and comp tracks here, why leave it out?

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 06:57 (nineteen years ago) link

this is like 75% suck (assuming they have better copies of these things than were previously available)

jushinthunderliger (deangulberry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:02 (nineteen years ago) link

So don't buy it, Dean.

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:03 (nineteen years ago) link

but i have to!

jushinthunderliger (deangulberry), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 07:32 (nineteen years ago) link

the most thorough exam. of this whole thing appears to be in this month's WORD mag. i dont work for that mag by the way, i must have mentioned it about a dozen times on ilx of late.

piscesboy, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

"WHERE IS THE ALBINI MIX OF IN UTERO!?!?!?"

My money is on seeing it as the second disc of a "Deluxe Edition" (ala "What's Going On" & "Catch A Fire") sometime in the next couple of years.

Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Streaming video trailer for the box set:

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/ume/nbx/boxsettrailer.asx
http://boss.streamos.com/qtime/ume/nbx/boxsettrailer.mov
http://boss.streamos.com/real/ume/nbx/boxsettrailer.ram

This makes me pretty excited, its hyperbole aside ("the last great rock band" my ass). Kurt playing drums on "Seasons in the Sun," yow!

Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

the music on that video is pretty good.

King Korn Karn, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

the box is wonderful... every Nirvana fan's dream.

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:35 (nineteen years ago) link

'Based on customer purchases, this is the #2 Early Adopter Product in Alternative Rock.'

What, start 'em young?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I read the 'Word' article about this box set, it makes it sound like the most depressing thing ever released. I don't know whether it is, or whether it's just a knock-on effect of the accepted way to write about Nirvana these days. Anyway, I don't like 'Word', it is insufferably smug. I was a bit pissed off for paying for it, but at least it will help make sure I don't pay for the box set, so quite a good investment.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 12 November 2004 10:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Around £36-£38 pounds, it seems.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 November 2004 10:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Seasons in the Sun
We had joy, we had fun?

-- Ned Raggett (ne...) (webmail), November 10th, 2004. (link)


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YES.
The very same song.
-- Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (aaronh...) (webmail), November 10th, 2004. (link)

yes, but it's the "we had arsenal on the run" version.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 November 2004 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Although the fact that one issue of 'Word' costs a thumping 10% of the price of the box set makes the latter look quite a good buy.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I've preordered mine from Amazon.

Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

cover is on metallic finish. DVD is OK-ish, though you pretty much gotta like handheld cams. disc one is nearly unlistenable, literally--sounds like shit. still need top play discs two and three. For Fans Only.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 19 November 2004 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link

and I'm a fan, but I'm thinking nuh-uh.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 19 November 2004 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn, that's disappointing -- I had this fantasy that it would be all those Outcesticide tracks polished to sound really nice. I'll still buy the damned thing, of course.

Nostalgia for the Old Cineramadome (Ben Boyer), Friday, 19 November 2004 01:19 (nineteen years ago) link

sounds like they really should have called the thing 'Beat the Boots'

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 19 November 2004 01:19 (nineteen years ago) link

but there's a *lot* of good stuff that's ot been bootlegged before. and the second disk soesn't sound *that* bad - not much worse than Bleach, in places. i mean, i wouldn't flush the Ayler box just because the fidelity is sketchy in places (and there's nothing as crapppy as the worst tapes on there)

stevie (stevie), Friday, 19 November 2004 10:21 (nineteen years ago) link

tell me more! tell me more!

nicetrooper, Friday, 19 November 2004 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link

the Leadbelly covers are charming, very varied in mood - one almost feels like a drinking song. the in utero demos are raw and excellent - there's one of scentless apprentice which is a 10 minute take during which they actually write the song (you can hear that titanic drum break being born). the solo demos of 'all apologies' and 'you know you're right' are breath-taking, the early stuff is fascinating in the way they depict Nirvana as Melvins clones slowly developing their own identity.

stevie (stevie), Friday, 19 November 2004 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, my review ran today in the stranger - my thoughts are a smidgeon more lucid there...

http://thestranger.com/2004-11-18/music4.html

stevie (stevie), Friday, 19 November 2004 13:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, definitely for fans only. And if you are a fan it's pretty dissapointing in as much as you probably already have everything on the box via bootlegs. Most of the reviews I've seen so far have been predictably reverent. Although the Word piece seemed a little suspicious and the review in the new Mojo pans it pretty hard and points out that Courtney may be saving the best stuff off Cobain's home tapes for a "solo release" where she gets all the money.

mcorte, Friday, 19 November 2004 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link

The best part of this is the DVD. In fact, for big fans I'd say that it's the only reason to buy it.

Like the Beatles, Nirvana has been so thoroughly bootlegged that I'm not really sure what is useful about this release other than the DVD. I mean, how many hard core fans haven't bothered to pick up the bootlegs via trading circles or Bit Torrent over the past three years. The extra three years it took to deliver this set probably cost 100,000 in sales--at least that many people, probably more, got all these tracks in comparable quality for free. Wake up, record labels.

don weiner, Friday, 19 November 2004 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

And if you are a fan it's pretty dissapointing in as much as you probably already have everything on the box via bootlegs.

Advantageously for me, perhaps, while I consider myself something of a fan I never shelled out for the bootlegs (file searching, that I could have done, but I was downloading other things). So in respects, this set sounds perfect for the likes of me!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 November 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Same here, bought maybe 1 Nirvana boot, none of which is duplicated here.

I don't think you can really blame Nirvana for releasing these tracks. "You can't sell that music, we already bought a shoddier version off those guys who bootlegged you". That doesn't make sense. I love bootlegs but come on, these guys aren't exactly Robin Hood, y'know?

stevie (stevie), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, of course. But it's always galling when they mark tracks with 'previously unreleased' and you have had them for years..

(e.g. Beatles Anthology)

And the Sex Pistols where the tracks had actually been released on 'semi-legal' albums...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone who's shelled out cash for bootlegs in the past couple of years either doesn't have internet access or is generally ignorant to the bootleg market. This isn't meant as criticism to you Ned or Stevie, just pointing out that I think you are hopefully exceptions to the rule. Thankfully, the internet has seriously damaged the bootleg market to the point where I really can't believe it exists for things like "Ultra Rare Trax" and the like.

Still, record companies and artists should hold an advantage--while the recordings may have leaked over the years, we're still at a point where a beautiful booklet/liners can make a difference to a buyer. Personal photos and effects create value that give the labels a competitive advantage over the bootleggers; again, I don't see this as a lasting advantage, but it's current enough that it should be properly leveraged.

don weiner, Friday, 19 November 2004 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Thankfully, the internet has seriously damaged the bootleg market to the point where I really can't believe it exists for things like "Ultra Rare Trax" and the like.

Yeah, I was about to say -- Kiss the Stone isn't around any more, are they?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Booklet is nice (tho no gullick pix - dumb courtney). its a nice object... i like the way the tracks tell the story of the band so completely as well. this is definitely more the nirvana i loved than the greatest hits last year (or Journals, for that matter, or MTV Unplugged or Wishkah)

stevie (stevie), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Great Stranger piece, Stevie -- now I'm all excited to buy it again!

Nostalgia for the Old Cineramadome (Ben Boyer), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks ben... it really is the bees knees!

stevie (stevie), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

torrent url anyone?

i know it's out there

wetetr, Friday, 19 November 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link

The extra three years it took to deliver this set probably cost 100,000 in sales--at least that many people, probably more, got all these tracks in comparable quality for free. Wake up, record labels.

Around the third or fourth time the set was being announced as delayed, around summer 2002, was when I decided to make my own boxed set by downloading as much of the Outcesticide tracks, Peel Sessions, Rio Sessions, etc, as I could find and putting them onto 3 CD's. I find it downright lame that Krist Novoselic claimed he had access to such fantastic music when it was all just the same stuff the fans have heard already. So come November 23rd, I'll be spending my money on the 8 songs I've never heard, at least 4 of which I'm sure sound are in shit quality, and the DVD.

billstevejim, Saturday, 20 November 2004 02:18 (nineteen years ago) link

They STILL are not going to officially release that KISS cover???

For fuck's sake!

asdf troll, Saturday, 20 November 2004 02:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Whoa, you're right! I forgot that one.
DO YOU LOVE MEEEE!!!!????

Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Saturday, 20 November 2004 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

It IS officially released. It's on the C/Z Records Kiss tribute compilation. I have the CD.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 20 November 2004 03:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Well yeah, but seeing as how they gathered up all the other comp tracks and b-sides as far as I can tell, it's conspicuous in its absence.

Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:03 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, I get you. I was just being pedantic about the "officially released" thing.

Actually, what pisses ME off is that this thing apparently doesn't include the finished version of "You Know You're Right" (instead, just a demo). I mean, how fucking annoying is THAT? I still refuse to buy that stupid greatest hits cd.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Well thats exactly why it's not on here, because that GH would become completely worthless except perhaps to 10 year old who've never heard Nirvana and blah blah blah etc.

I own one of course.

Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I did not realize C/Z Records still existed. I got it on a high-quality 4/c offset and silkscreen printed bootleg CD that has a "record label" name, too, so I guess even that is an official release of some sort.

Incidentally, has anyone else noticed bootlegs are all color copies or epson print-outs these days? I miss the glorious days of high quality $20 bootlegs just before Napster came out.

asdf troll, Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:44 (nineteen years ago) link

3 good songs only

mullato, Saturday, 20 November 2004 07:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I have now read reviews that don't linger so much on Mr C's demise, they make it sound a bit more cheery.

I might buy that Greatest Hits thing instead.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 20 November 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Holy mackerel.

got the box for Xmas.

so so good.

Kurt was amazing. He really was. What a fun guy. I just love the Bleach-era stuff -- he had such great control over his voice.

Best white-boy screamer since Lennon. I suppose i should append that statement with a "...maaaaaan". But whatever. It's so fuckin' true.

I love that first disc on the box. 'White lace & strange', 'anerexorcist', etc. ... that IS the Nirvana I fell in love with.

that's the Nirvana that ruled my world when I saw them in 1990 with Tad at the Blind Pig in Ann Arbor.

Heavy fuckin' metal.

god bless kurt. rock and roll

Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 3 January 2005 09:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Is "Do You Love Me "good enough to be a single
It IS officially released. It's on the C/Z Records Kiss tribute compilation. I have the CD.
who sings on hiden track ?

snappers whipper, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link

wake up
they had 3 songs that were ok

snappers whipper, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 06:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Re: that picture.

I didn't realize that Anthony Kiedis and Andy Kaufman were the other two guys in Nirvana.

The Mad Puffin, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link


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