Can't we have a Proper Daft Clever Pop revival now? Saw David Devant last night, fucking brilliant.
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:02 (twenty years ago) link
Music recorded by people actually on psychedelic drugs sounds more like the Grateful Dead, i.e. terribly dull and tedious for anyone *not* on psychedelics.
― Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:06 (twenty years ago) link
Chop-chop!
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:08 (twenty years ago) link
So many of the people I've known who made really psychedelic music were the way they were a long time before they ever took drugs.
― Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:10 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:13 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:14 (twenty years ago) link
i'm almost 100% sure Zappa didn't take any drugs aside from nicotine and caffeine.
wayne coyne took acid as a kid, a couple of times, but hated it. there have been drug problems within Flaming Lips, but not psychedelics-related. as far very-real insanity, however, the answer is, sadly, yes.
King Tubby made some brain-smashing dub records, while never touching marijuana, or even booze.
― stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:23 (twenty years ago) link
That's what I thought, though I didn't know for certain.
It just irritates me when these sort of people are held up as examples of "wow, kids, this is psychedelic music, this is what will happen to you when you take drugs" in a glamourisation sense, when the truth is, drugs had little to do with that music.
But I suppose it's the same as the glamourisation of mental illness with regard to you when people hold up Brian Wilson or Syd Barrett and say "wow, kids". Irritating.
― Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:28 (twenty years ago) link
i don't know... i agree about psychedelics, etc. but what about the influence of a drug like heroin? maybe its more that the psyche of a junkie is more likely to influence their art than the junk itself? and someone experimenting with psychedelics is less likely to be making a conscious life decision as someone who chooses (jesus, i feel like a tory minister saying this) to become a junkie.
― stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:51 (twenty years ago) link
Richard Pinhas released an album earlier this year, Tranzition. An astonishing intoxicating mixture of electronics and kaleidoscope guitar sounds.http://cuneiformrecords.com/bandshtml/pinhas.html
This is far superior to the weak radio friendly bands it labels as psychedelic.
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 11:47 (twenty years ago) link
The difference is more that heroin is physically addictive while psychedelics are only psychologically addictive. So maybe being a pscyhedelic-using hippie is a lifestyle in that you *can* wake up one day and decide you've had enough of, while being a heroin-using junkie is a *life* in that it's a far harder thing to give up once you've got into it.
Different drugs attract different personality types. Any user - either an artist but more likely a fan - is going to be drawn to the ones that tick their particular brain-chemistry/personality boxes.
― Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 12:05 (twenty years ago) link
Drugs in Music:
1) Jazz / heroin = Environment2) Sixties bands: Bands who experiment with music more likely to experiment with drugs. The drugs experience informs the music. Bands who do not experiment with either, settle for a comfortable 'ballroom' existance (freddie and the dreamers worked their five hits and various well known tracks for 40 years afterwards).3) the notion drugs = good music was born. Erroneously.4) Anyone with a ready and plentiful supply was supposedly a musical genius. Terrible music was made. 5) Suddenly, everyone got abstemious/took other drugs/drank instead. Music more accessible, but not neccesarily better.6) Anyone with a pocket of blow gets stoned and writes drone anthems aout their girlfriend's beautiful eyes. But does not notice girl has gone home. Then does. And writes another song about girlfriends eyes. From a photograph.7) Now the drugs experience is well documented. You don't actually have to do them to make good music. You just have to know your shit. 8) if 6 was none?
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 12:36 (twenty years ago) link
Especially number 7. These days, people are attracted to artists who appear to be documenting the drugs they wish they were taking...
― Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 12:44 (twenty years ago) link
(or is it just me?)
I lost my post I just made, rats: summary was:
Noel Gallagher: Taking Drugs is the same as a cup of tea, he never said a more true thing.So who would write a song where dgs appear as an incidental rather than 'what the song is about' or 'what the drug is a metaphor for' or vice versa.
(The original lost posting was much better btw)
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:54 (twenty years ago) link
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:54 (twenty years ago) link
I'd have to agree here.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago) link
Just tap them on the nose with a rolled up newspaper and say "NO!" in a loud, commanding voice.
― don (don), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Super-Kate (kate), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link
i'm almost 100% sure Zappa didn't take any drugs aside from nicotine and caffeine."
Beefheart has often claimed not have done so - however everyone I've ever spoken to who actually knows / knew the man tells me that this is utter bollocks.
It's slightly easier to believe that Zappa didn't because of his evidently rampant OCD - but only slightly
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:49 (twenty years ago) link
That is hilarious and so dead-on.
― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Alexei, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:30 (twenty years ago) link
― JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Stupid (Stupid), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:15 (twenty years ago) link
i must hear this! please!
― Sean M (Sean M), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:25 (twenty years ago) link
― doomie x, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Sean M (Sean M), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:51 (twenty years ago) link
― mei (mei), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago) link
er. um. i don't quite know what to say about this......
― Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 22 April 2004 01:50 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 April 2004 02:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 22 April 2004 02:06 (twenty years ago) link
New drug euphemism?
― de, Thursday, 22 April 2004 02:12 (twenty years ago) link
... and the Lips (hi Wayne, remember the Foolkiller!) were from Norman, OK, a college town within doable gig distance. there was a midwest local tour curcuit - columbia, MO, Norman OK, Lawrence, KS, Topeka, KS, Lincoln NB and it was very cooperative, low key and close knit. Close knit enough for me to have lots of stories i won't tell you.
― Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 22 April 2004 02:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 22 April 2004 02:20 (twenty years ago) link
For as long as I can remember loads of people I know have used the term 'shit NME bands' for any of those boring, middle of the road indie rock bands that they trumpet, presumably because they're too scared not to (I give them the credit of not actually liking that pap).
I'm not being facetious, if someone I know said to me "oh, such-and-such are one of those shit NME bands..." I'd know exactly what they sound like and probably how they look and act too.
BTW a band doesn't actually have to be in NME to be a 'shit NME band', they just have to be the sort.
― mei (mei), Thursday, 22 April 2004 06:25 (twenty years ago) link
Recently though Kerrang! has got a lot more diverse so it's not so useful.
― mei (mei), Thursday, 22 April 2004 06:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Alexei, Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:01 (twenty years ago) link
isn't this just a new version of "Steve Lamacq approved bands"?
― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Alexei, Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:06 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:07 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Alexei, Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:10 (twenty years ago) link
Shit NME musicShilola NME musicshoe shine nme bandsshoe shnme bandsshoegazer bands
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 22 April 2004 09:24 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 April 2004 09:26 (twenty years ago) link