To make amends for listening to too many 30-second bursts of songs in my DW archive thus throwing my DW into a rut, I've taken the step of leaving Spotify running on silent overnight with a long playlist of newish stuff by forkslcovetofu. I wish my life hadn't turned out like this.
― Alba, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 10:22 (four years ago) link
Just come across this, which seems like it's right up my alley
https://newsroom.spotify.com/2019-05-02/five-ways-to-make-your-discover-weekly-playlists-even-more-personalized/
On the other hand, now I'm more confused:
Listening to a song once without replaying or “hearting” won’t affect your Discover Weekly selections.
I guess, glenn, this means in terms of working out what your taste is, and doesn't apply to the issue of whether a song will reappear in your DW or not
and this:
If you’re totally obsessed with a new-to-you track, add it to your own personally curated playlists. This lets us know the song is more than just a momentary obsession, and we’ll be sure to serve up songs in the same vein.
Which suggests that adding it to a playlist does act as a signal that you like it, though maybe it only works if you listen to the track as well. Anyway, I think I'm going to try and weed out that DW archive of mine a little more without breaking the 30-second rule!
― Alba, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 11:16 (four years ago) link
I've taken the step of leaving Spotify running on silent overnight
maybe it knows if it's on silent and ignores all such plays...
― a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 11:22 (four years ago) link
DON'T TORTURE ME
― Alba, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 12:38 (four years ago) link
I forgot to mention that one of the sections I quoted from in that Spotify listicle was titled 'Don’t Overthink It'
― Alba, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 12:39 (four years ago) link
Can't you just select them all and drag and drop them all over to a new playlist at once?
Thanks for this - had no idea you could drag tracks on the desktop app. Worked a dream
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 12:45 (four years ago) link
didn’t know that either, thanking you!
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 14:24 (four years ago) link
now I can start saving my Release Radars, very cool.
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 14:26 (four years ago) link
Those tips for DW are all good things to do to influence your Spotify personalization in general. And the one about using Private Sessions when you're playing things you don't want us to think of as part of your tastes, that one does affect DW in the way it says. The others have a more indirect relationship to how things actually work. Adding a song to one of your playlists, for example, doesn't directly affect your DW in itself, but songs you PLAY from your own playlists get a higher weight in our calculation of your taste than things you play from Spotify editorial playlists or other peoples'...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link
is there anything i can do to stop my DW from being 50% repeats? do i just need to listen to a ton of new music or something?
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 19:33 (four years ago) link
Well, it's not supposed to be repeats. DM me your Spotify username and I'll pass it along to the right team...
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link
ty glenn!
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 03:01 (four years ago) link
Glenn, I have observed that if I Follow an artist and then I click through the Artists page to them, I will see all songs from them from Liked Albums or in Liked Songs, but not songs in other personal playlists. Assuming this is by design, but might be nice to see others. In fact it would be nice to have some cross-section into to my bespoke playlists as well.
― Louder Than Bach's Bottom (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 16:24 (four years ago) link
Seems like it used to tell me when I created a playlist but now I can’t find it.― Together Again Or (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, May 1, 2020 1:57 PM (one week ago)
― Together Again Or (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, May 1, 2020 1:57 PM (one week ago)
― Louder Than Bach's Bottom (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 18:40 (four years ago) link
If there's one thing I've learned going through my old DWs, it's that there are lot of singer-songwriters whose names start with J that I never want suggested to me again. Get lost all you Jeffs, Johns, Joes and Jacks.
― Alba, Thursday, 14 May 2020 18:30 (four years ago) link
Ha!
― Louder Than Bach's Bottom (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 14 May 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link
This double J artist song managed to survive my DW purge: https://open.spotify.com/track/4ZaAk3UJ0asITuGS7JvXPB?si=wwJJYXOJSzq1RqQaZG_tgQ
― Louder Than Bach's Bottom (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 14 May 2020 18:38 (four years ago) link
are any of them Jeff "Guitar" Elliot?
― Boring, Maryland, Thursday, 14 May 2020 19:18 (four years ago) link
Glenn, any idea what happened here?!?
https://i.ibb.co/XxcvKWY/Untitled.png
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 18 May 2020 02:47 (four years ago) link
(The recommended tracks all being a few seconds long, identified with strings of random characters, and all with random stolen cover art labelled with #hiddeninspotifyDVD, and which seem mighty odd suggestions for a perfectly pleasant pastorally ambient album)
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 18 May 2020 02:49 (four years ago) link
Is there a way to export a playlist to a text file? (i.e. a list of the tracks that are in the playlist)
The methods that Google brings up don't seem to work anymore
― groovypanda, Monday, 18 May 2020 08:10 (four years ago) link
The csv export function on http://joellehman.com/playlist/ doesn't seem to work any more, but it still displays a tab demited text version of the playlist on the screen that you can then paste into either a spreadsheet or a text editor.
― Alba, Monday, 18 May 2020 11:10 (four years ago) link
Cheers, that worked
― groovypanda, Monday, 18 May 2020 11:41 (four years ago) link
I use https://www.tunemymusic.com/ to export playlists to text it's excellent
― nashwan, Monday, 18 May 2020 11:45 (four years ago) link
Oh, that looks great.
― Alba, Monday, 18 May 2020 13:33 (four years ago) link
Those #H1DDENinSpotifyDVD tracks are hilarious. Some weird 1D-related promotional stunt from 2014, which you're getting because your playlist is probably titled "hidden" and you either have <=5 songs or the songs aren't popular enough to have recs. If you hit Refresh a couple times you'll probably get something more relevant...
― glenn mcdonald, Monday, 18 May 2020 15:49 (four years ago) link
Ah, right, thanks, the album has the word HIDDEN in the title.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 18 May 2020 22:27 (four years ago) link
lately I've been unable to skip around in a track I'm playing or alter the volume on the desktop app, although I can do the volume with the scroll wheel. I have no idea how this happened. I have to open the app up on my phone to skip ahead in a track
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 11:55 (four years ago) link
This sucks: https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/19/21263927/joe-rogan-spotify-experience-exclusive-content-episodes-youtubeDon’t platform the guy that platforms alt-right shitheads.
― Dan I., Tuesday, 19 May 2020 18:57 (four years ago) link
and ppl say spotify doesn't pay artists. deal must be putting ~50mil on rogan
― lumen (esby), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:46 (four years ago) link
spotify has trained an algorithm to send cease and desist letters to fraternity brothers just doing a bit o' speculatin' on youtube while high
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 20:43 (four years ago) link
xp egg on my face, 100mil+
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/spotify-strikes-exclusive-podcast-deal-with-joe-rogan-11589913814
― lumen (esby), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link
On Curtis Mayfield's Curtis Live! (US Release), the track "We Are The People Who Are Darker Than Blue - Live @ The Bitter End, NYC" is from an entirely different concert recorded I would estimate, 15-20 years in the future of the rest of that album.
Also stop putting the metadata into the track titles.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 08:14 (four years ago) link
Tangentially related to putting metadata into the track titles: one thing Spotify gets right that I would like to give them props for is the handling of multiple artists. Particularly in the indie/non-hiphop world where "Song Title (feat. Female Guest Vocalist)" never really became the norm, it's cool to be able to instantly click through to Female Guest Vocalist's own page and start listening. That's how I discovered the AMAZING Miya Folick: even though I must have listened to Fucked Up - Dose Your Dreams a hundred times or more in the Bandcamp app, the credits for that album on the band's page are so massive and so badly formatted that I had never taken the time to sift through them to find out who was wailing so beautifully on track 18. But the first time I played it in Spotify, that info was right at my fingertips. Thank you, friends!
― handsome boy modelling software (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 12:23 (four years ago) link
Putting metadata into the track titles is done by the labels, not Spotify. Crediting the featured artists individually is also done by the labels, although obviously we have to do a little work on the Spotify end to show that information accessibly.
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 13:37 (four years ago) link
I've settled on what I think it the right procedure for dealing with songs that appear in Discover Weekly that I like but aren't new to me and I don't to reappear in my DW a few months later: listen to 30 seconds of it (not in private mode). That sound right, glenn?
― Alba, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 13:43 (four years ago) link
don't to reappear = don't want to reappear
― Alba, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 13:44 (four years ago) link
Don't Fear (The Reappear)
― Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 13:55 (four years ago) link
Yes, if you play :30+ of a DW track it should not be recommended to you again...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 14:20 (four years ago) link
> On Curtis Mayfield's Curtis Live! (US Release), the track "We Are The People Who Are Darker Than Blue - Live @ The Bitter End, NYC" is from an entirely different concert recorded I would estimate, 15-20 years in the future of the rest of that album.
I noticed this on another streaming platform (Google Play) and assume this is an issue with the files the label provided the streaming corps. Still, somebody at spotify should verify it's wrong by listening to it for a few seconds (it's obvious and horrible) and then gray out the file and ideally ask the label to fix it.
― mig (guess that dreams always end), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 14:46 (four years ago) link
Thanks for the confirmation, glenn. I can't believe how much mental energy I expend on feeding the DW algo correctly. I suppose it's a hobby I enjoy.
― Alba, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:14 (four years ago) link
Personally, I despise negotiating indirectly with inscrutable algorithms like this, and refuse to do it. Which is why http://everynoise.com/new_releases_by_genre.cgi exists at the other extreme of control, in at least some sense...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:40 (four years ago) link
Ah yeah, I haven't played with that for a while. It's kind of overwhelming.
― Alba, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:42 (four years ago) link
I assumed it was the uploaders putting the metadata in the song titles rather than Spotify themselves. Maybe there's a big fancy version of Cmd+F they could do to strip it from the titles and put in an appropriate place.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:29 (four years ago) link
I'd also forgot about http://organizeyourmusic.playlistmachinery.com which is a great tool for playing about with my Discover Archive
― Alba, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 20:05 (four years ago) link
wild stannery from Rogan listeners in the comments here:
A musician would need to generate 23 billion streams on Spotify to earn what they're paying Joe Rogan for his podcast rights (assuming a typical $.00437 payout per stream). In other words, Spotify values Rogan more than any musician in the history of the world. Sound fair to you? pic.twitter.com/zvMdY3mIQA— Ted Gioia (@tedgioia) May 20, 2020
― Bleeqwot (sic), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 21:40 (four years ago) link
I'm not a rogan fan, but clearly they value his product more because it is a very different thing than an album of music and is worth more.
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:13 (four years ago) link
A musician would need to generate 23 billion streams on Spotify to earn what they're
ok.. and rogan has 23 billion streams what is the point of this tweet??
― lumen (esby), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:15 (four years ago) link
"a musician would need billions of streams to make what Drake makes from Spotify"
― lumen (esby), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:16 (four years ago) link
Spotify made $7.44 billion dollars in revenue selling other peoples' music to customers in 2019. The two founders have paid themselves billions of dollars. It would be good if musicians saw more of the proceeds of their creativity and labour than Joe Rogan or an executive from a marketing company, imo.
Whether or not Rogan's deal is fairly valued prima facie, the principal being paid out in that deal has been generated by undervaluing the labour of others, and thus removing their access to other forms of revenue.
(The deal also comes at the exact moment when the primary remaining form of revenue for most working musicians has been completely eradicated due to other circumstances, so it bites harder.)
― Bleeqwot (sic), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:31 (four years ago) link