I mean that, in 2006, it is not "natural social behaviour" to listen to an album in one go on vinyl in a room, but it IS to listen to MP3s in bits on the bus. The rockist constructs false environments in which to consume rock because rock needs to be consumed "properly", that's how it's designed - the popist consumes pop whenever and wherever he/she can, because that's what pop is for. Ergo the consumption of pop is more authentic, because it doesn't require falsely-constructed environments, and I would argue that, say, Lex (as definitive strawman popist!) would see it as a positive thing that people listen to Ciara on the bus, because that(consumption)'s authentic, and who gives too figs whether the music was made "because Ciara was feeling it, man, and needed to express it", or because some producer had a tune and some A&R man had a face for the tune (which is inauthentic, because it is manipulative.
And we all know how rock is (supposedly) produced - friends-from-childhood in the garage.
So, pop manipulates you when it is produced, because of the (supposed) unnaturalness of it's production, but not when it's consumed, cos you can consume it whenever and wherever you like. Rock manipulates you when it is consumed, because it ought to be live, or all in one go, but not when it's produced because kids in garages with cheap guitars is "natural".
Of course, pop lies about it's autheticity of consumption just as much as rock lies about it's authenticity of production; the lies necessary tools in the pop playbook in order to construct myths which fit the music into the right slot in order to attract the pre-ordained fanbase necessary for it to succeed. Which is why Scritti Politti "fail" at pop and The Kooks "fail" at rock.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Sunday, 28 January 2007 07:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Sunday, 28 January 2007 07:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― bobby bedelia (van dover), Sunday, 28 January 2007 07:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Sunday, 28 January 2007 07:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Sunday, 28 January 2007 08:03 (seventeen years ago) link
this is just wild, unsupported assumption stated as fact, on the basis that there is such a quantifiable thing as 'natural' social behaviour in the first place. social behaviour is in no way homogenous, and both can be seen as as 'natural' as each other. there's nothing unusual about the fact that many people who are into music can and do engage in both of these activites, albeit not usually at the same time. there's nowhere to plug in your turntable on the N73.
― m the g (mister the guanoman), Sunday, 28 January 2007 11:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Sunday, 28 January 2007 11:55 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1663591,00.html
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 27 September 2007 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link
no chillax no cred
― ledge, Thursday, 27 September 2007 14:37 (sixteen years ago) link
"Rockite: A member of an Irish organization associated with agrarian disorders in the earlier part of the nineteenth century. Also Rockism."
Not online yet then.
― ledge, Thursday, 27 September 2007 14:40 (sixteen years ago) link
sheeeeit.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 27 September 2007 14:43 (sixteen years ago) link
that's big.
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― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 27 September 2007 14:46 (sixteen years ago) link
So is this thread ground zero?
― Hurting 2, Thursday, 27 September 2007 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link
I like how most of the other words there are only used by corny nitwits as well
― DJ Mencap, Thursday, 27 September 2007 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link
I used to refer in a derogatory manner to someone in University in the late 80s for being to rockist, i.e they use to read only Raw magazine and their music tastes were too rockist.
While I listened to a wider variety of music Talk Talk/Spacemen 3/ Cocteau Twins/ Yello/Colourbox/ The Fall/ Happy Mondays/ My Bloody Valentine/ arkane/ Front 242/ Husker Du/ Mary Margaret O'Hara/ Kate Bush/Detroit techno/ Wire/ Lowlife/That Petrol Emotion/ Throwing Muses/ Sonic Youth/Phillip Boa & the Voodoo Club/ The Young Gods/ The Chameleons/ Blue Nile/ Voivod/ Sisters of Mercy/ Skinny Puppy/New Order/Killing Joke etc
-- DJ Martian, Thursday, 14 December 2000 01:00 (6 years ago) Bookmark Link
― DJ Mencap, Thursday, 27 September 2007 14:54 (sixteen years ago) link
you couldn't make it up.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 27 September 2007 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link
you have to read 'slash' out loud
― gff, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link
BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL BUZZKILL
― The Reverend, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link
I enjoy a bit of rockism now and again, I don't take it too seriously of course.
― max r, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Rockism was a meaningful word when originally used by people such as Paul Morley back in the 80s, to defend acts that were taking their music just as seriously, only with synths rather than guitars being their main instrument.
When used to defend corporate teenyboppers unable to write their own material, and with outside people deciding their musical style, it is pointless.
― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link
^^^ban
― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Think you Morley's ideas arse over tit there, you crazy bastard, Hongro. Still love you loads tho, babe. xxx
― max r, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link
*Think you got
sorry, I'm hungover
A love hangover for Geiry-boy.
― max r, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Geir of the dog
― DJ Mencap, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Geirsy would never let one of these "outside people" decide his musical style.
― max r, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Worst and most unlistenable genres/eras ever: 1. 12 tone music (1920-1940) 2. Hip-Hop (1979-present) 3. Funk/disco (late 60s-around 1980) 4. "Contemporary R&B" (Early 90s - present) 5. Bop (1940s)
-- Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 24 April 2003 08:09 (4 years ago)
― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Goddamn, Martian stole my record collection in 1989.
― NickB, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link
holmes is on point re. 12-tone.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link
It's no 2-tone, that's fer sure.
― NickB, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Is it six times better?
― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Worst bands ever:
1 Oasis 2 Kula Shaker 3 Oasis 4 Kula Shaker 5 Oasis 6 Kula Shaker 7 Oasis 8 Kula shaker 9 Oasis 10 Skrewdriver
― max r, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link
I am weary and my brain is malfunctioning and WHY HAS THIS THREAD NOT BEEN HURLED INTO SPACE
― Just got offed, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link
11 Mansun
― NickB, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link
THEY CAN GO TOO
why does this feel like a Friday
― Just got offed, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:34 (sixteen years ago) link
12 Oasis
― max r, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:38 (sixteen years ago) link
13. Tupac
― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link
14. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah (ask yer dad)
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link
15 Tupac Shaker
― NickB, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link
16 Oasis
― max r, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link
I hate Pink for her fake "real-ness" but I love Rachel Stevens for her real fakeness. Does this make me a Rockist?
― I know, right?, Saturday, 29 September 2007 13:17 (sixteen years ago) link
everything's a joke now guys, so just chill ;)
― max r, Saturday, 29 September 2007 14:18 (sixteen years ago) link
What is Really Real?
Vic Stenger
"Reality Check" in Skeptical Briefs September, 2003
Since I have been writing a column called "Reality Check" for several years now, perhaps it is time for me to say what I think is really real. The best definition I can think of is inspired by a comment made by Samuel Johnson in 1763. As described in Boswell's Life of Johnson,
We stood talking for some time together of Bishop Berkeley's ingenious sophistry to prove the nonexistence of matter, and that every thing in the universe is merely ideal. I observed, that though we are satisfied his doctrine is not true, it is impossible to refute it. I shall never forget the alacrity with which Johnson answered, striking his foot with mighty force against a large stone, till he rebounded from it, "I refute it thus."
So, I define something as real when it kicks back after you kick it. In simple terms, this describes the processes of everyday observations, but also the most sophisticated scientific experiments. When we look at an object with our naked eyes, light from some source bounces off the object into our eyes. Or, the object itself may emit light. In either case, the object and the light receptors in our eyes recoil from the momentum that is transferred in the process and generates an electrical signal that is analyzed by our brains.
Scientific observations are basically the same. Not only visible light, but the whole electromagnetic spectrum from radio waves to gamma rays are available to joggle reality, along with sensors far more precise than the human eye to detect the jiggles that are returned. What's more, other particles, such as electrons and neutrinos, are also available as probes and computers are utilized to supplement the analytic capability of our brains. In short, science is not some special method of learning about the world. It is an enhancement of the only method by which we humans, in fact, learn about the world--empirical observation. The stuff of reality that kicks back when you kick it is called matter. And, that's all there is.
― artdamages, Saturday, 29 September 2007 14:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I think it's something to do with doric columns.
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 31 March 2008 14:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Rockism is a ham hock in your corn flakes.
― Sara Sara Sara, Monday, 31 March 2008 14:32 (sixteen years ago) link
how great is it
― EdKranepool69, Monday, 26 April 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link
fuck off
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 26 April 2010 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link
This stupid word.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 26 April 2010 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Sorry, PEW, you picked the wrong thread to revive.
― Nom Nom Nom Chomsky (WmC), Monday, 26 April 2010 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link