For dubbier, I'd check Soul Jazz's two <I>Box of Dub</i> compilations, which have a much rootsier feel. You also might like the Skull Disco compilation, <I>Soundboy Punishments</i> (which is really 90% Shackleton productions), recently reissued in the U.S. by Rough Trade.
― pshrbrn, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:10 (sixteen years ago) link
dubsteppier, I mean(t).
― dblcheeksneek, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:14 (sixteen years ago) link
whoops, sorry for that poor formatting.
― pshrbrn, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Plus, I have this weird idea that albums are meant to be lived with, a little; sometimes it takes more than a few months (and maybe a couple hit singles) to figure out how good an album is.
Yeah, I noticed that of my top ten albums of the year (still subject to change), eight came out in the first the first half, and none came out later than September, and I got the feeling I wasn't quite comfortable including newer albums that I haven't had as much time to digest, even if I might end up valuing them more later on.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:16 (sixteen years ago) link
still always subject to change
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:17 (sixteen years ago) link
I love that Soundboy Punishments disc. Is that, in your view, more dubsteppier than Burial?
BTW, while I'm not crazy about Soul Jazz's Box of Dub, Vol. I and II, Vol. I did contain one of Burial's best songs, Unite.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:17 (sixteen years ago) link
possibly both dubbier and dubsteppier.
― pshrbrn, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:18 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, the first Burial album is DUBstep, whereas the second is dubSTEP.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 22:20 (sixteen years ago) link
If I'm voting for "I'm a Flirt (Shoreline)" how do I credit the artist? R. Kelly vs. Broken Social Scene? The Hood Internet? ABX?
― jaymc, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 23:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Precedent created by votes for Freelance Hellraiser in 2002?
― jaymc, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 23:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Is The Hood Internet the person who did the mashup? If so, I'd go with that. (I'd never heard of him/her until you mentioned it... I know the track thru youtube, where it's uncredited, at least the version I bookmarked is.)
― sw00ds, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 23:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyway, it seems like the person who did the mashup would be the logical 'artist,' no?
― sw00ds, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 23:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Just the man I was looking to talk to!
The Hood Internet is the mash-up project of two guys, ABX and DJ STV SLV. They're put up on the website www.thehoodinternet.com, but the link that you click to download the song mentions the individual mash-upper. Also the title of the post is ARTIST VS. ARTIST. Confusing.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 23:46 (sixteen years ago) link
ilx rap clique will definitely want to know about the hip-hop list at indie surfer:
15. Timbaland - Presents Shock Value 14. Aesop Rock - None Shall Pass 13. Brother Ali - The Undisputed Truth 12. Freeway - Free At Last 11. Cunninlynguists - Dirty Acres 10. El-P - I'll Sleep When You're Dead 09. Talib Kweli - Eardrum 08. Pharoahe Monch - Desire 07. Common - Finding Forever 06. Wu-Tang Clan - 8 Diagrams 05. Ghostface Killah - The Big Doe Rehab 04. Lil Wayne - Da Drought 3 03. Jay-Z - American Gangster 02. Kanye West - Graduation 01. M.I.A. - Kala
― tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 23:57 (sixteen years ago) link
For what it's worth, I know nothing about dubstep and I really liked the album. I think some of my enjoyment came from listening for the vocals on Archangel (like a lot of the reviews referenced) and while I was appreciating that, the music grew on me. I still can't talk about it in any meaningful way outside of my own personal reflections.
Also, what is up with Mona Lisa and Mad Hatter never being a hit? I LOVED that song.
(My little sister's bat mitzvah is next year!)
I'll post altpress/punknews/amp magazine lists when they come out.
― Mordechai Shinefield, Thursday, 20 December 2007 00:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Other than the most obvious thing about putting someone who is questionably rap at number one on a list of best rap albums, there's nothing particularly wonky about that list, which isn't to say all the albums are great. If you took M.I.A. out, there would be nothing that screamed "rap list by indie dudes".
― The Reverend, Thursday, 20 December 2007 00:16 (sixteen years ago) link
14. Aesop Rock - None Shall Pass 13. Brother Ali - The Undisputed Truth 11. Cunninlynguists - Dirty Acres 10. El-P - I'll Sleep When You're Dead 09. Talib Kweli - Eardrum
― max, Thursday, 20 December 2007 00:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Lots of backpack dudes who don't listen to indie like those people.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 20 December 2007 00:19 (sixteen years ago) link
i thot "indie dudes" meant dudes who listened to indie rap
― max, Thursday, 20 December 2007 00:20 (sixteen years ago) link
(Actually, I like the El-P album, and have been meaning to hear the Kweli, and liked Brother Ali when I saw him live.)
xp: Oh, that makes sense.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 20 December 2007 00:21 (sixteen years ago) link
is there an interesting hip-hop albums list anywhere? (i.e. i'm too lazy to go looking for one.) unless i'm missing it the only hip-hop on this thread is the vibe singles list.
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 20 December 2007 00:27 (sixteen years ago) link
i liked that brother ali album. i listened to it twice!
― scott seward, Thursday, 20 December 2007 00:31 (sixteen years ago) link
(and i mostly thought m.i.a. was a funny rap #1. i haven't heard half the things on that list. including kanye, except the singles.)
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 20 December 2007 00:33 (sixteen years ago) link
There is considerably more hip-hop in those polls than ragas, opera, symphonic rock, Bulgarian traditional music, reggae or even rockabilly.
― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 20 December 2007 00:48 (sixteen years ago) link
or even.
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 20 December 2007 00:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Fake Rockist Scientist. (xp)
― The Reverend, Thursday, 20 December 2007 00:49 (sixteen years ago) link
(i'd like to see a best of '07 rockabilly list too, actually.)
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 20 December 2007 00:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Hmph.
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 20 December 2007 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link
ZANG?
― The Reverend, Thursday, 20 December 2007 01:10 (sixteen years ago) link
the last thing on earth I want to see is an '07 rockabilly list. OK, I'm lying--I'd find it fascinating, probably.
― Matos W.K., Thursday, 20 December 2007 01:14 (sixteen years ago) link
rockabilly bands have good names.
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 20 December 2007 01:18 (sixteen years ago) link
frantic frank and the flattops.
Crazy Joe & the Mad River Outlaws The Taildraggers Sue Moreno with Jussi Huhtakangas Levi Dexter & The Rockats Three Bad Jacks Slim Jim Phantom & Eddie Angel Buck Stevens The Seatsniffers The Vibro Champs The Lucky Stars with Dave Stuckey Charlie Thompson with the Lucky Stars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_fNnFTlNck
"NO wonder YouTube is so successful and risisng when it comes to music and radio is falling; it has what's really out there and what folks want really hear: rock-a-billy, surf...American styles essentially banned from commercial radio.
Let's hope the Internet does no go the same way as radio and televsion. Long Live YouTube!"
― scott seward, Thursday, 20 December 2007 01:40 (sixteen years ago) link
i told you they had good names. jussi huhtakangas!
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 20 December 2007 01:42 (sixteen years ago) link
feel free to share some choice year-end interweb blurbs:
Justice - Cross "I hate hate hate dance music… or, at least, I did. Something about the crop of music to come out this year has given me a second look at music to which one shakes their booty. This was one of the albums to do so. There are points where it totally gets dark and evil, like “Stress,” but “D.A.N.C.E.” is such a boogie down, feel good song that i can’t help but get it on - much to the shagrin of my co-workers."
― scott seward, Thursday, 20 December 2007 01:44 (sixteen years ago) link
did anyone post ABC News top 50(!!!):
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/FallConcert/story?id=3999759&page=1
― scott seward, Thursday, 20 December 2007 01:46 (sixteen years ago) link
that list's not half bad!
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 20 December 2007 01:47 (sixteen years ago) link
THE SHAGRIN!!!
― The Reverend, Thursday, 20 December 2007 01:48 (sixteen years ago) link
It's like a cross between Boogie Down Productions, Bjork, and the Slits with an Eastern twist.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 20 December 2007 01:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Except their number 1 was actually released in 2006
― micarl, Thursday, 20 December 2007 01:50 (sixteen years ago) link
never heard of rough trade's number one:
http://www.roughtrade.com/site/content.lasso?page=top100_2007.html
― scott seward, Thursday, 20 December 2007 01:52 (sixteen years ago) link
this page has too many lists:
http://www.largeheartedboy.com/blog/archive/2007/11/2007_online_bes.html
like four zillion lists.
― scott seward, Thursday, 20 December 2007 01:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Wow, the blurbs on the ABC list are just chock-full of chestnuts.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 20 December 2007 01:56 (sixteen years ago) link
When the Beastie Boys' instrumental album "The Mix Up" came out, it was painfully obvious to distinguish the true hipsters from the poseurs. The poseurs were the ones who pretended they had been Beastie Boys fans all along and then said things like, "Get this. They actually play instruments on this record!" The hipsters knew that the Beasties were not merely rappers. After all, they began as a hardcore punk group in 1982, and then slowly morphed into the rap-trio we met four years later of "Licensed To Ill." (Trivia fact ? Their original drummer was Kate Shellenbach who was later a member of Luscious Jackson.) Anyone who listened to the Beasties' nineties output would know that there were three sides to their sound: The hip-hip side, the hardcore side and the instrumental funk side. "The Mix Up" is all about the instrumental funk. With longtime keyboardist Money Mark by their side, they rip through a groovy 12 song set. Yes, it's not the tightest sounding record, but is that always important. "Suco de Tangerina" sounds like Henry Mancini on a pseudo-Latin side-trip, and "The Gala Event" is both ominous and cool. All the naysayers should keep quiet. It's cool that this record even exists. Name another group who would take such a bold chance and test their range like this. This is a great soundtrack for relaxing on a sunny Sunday afternoon.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 20 December 2007 01:58 (sixteen years ago) link
it was painfully obvious to distinguish the true hipsters from the poseurs.
Does not compute.
― Mordechai Shinefield, Thursday, 20 December 2007 02:04 (sixteen years ago) link
That Alela Diane record sounds interesting, as long as she doesn't actually "sing" like Joanne Newsom.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 20 December 2007 08:30 (sixteen years ago) link
ok i watched that green bay rockabilly clip and it's sort of great. the live sound via youtube makes it sound like times new viking, or bad reception late at night. (which i guess is sort of what times new viking sounds like.) like it's but breaking up in the atmosphere.
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 20 December 2007 09:00 (sixteen years ago) link
(i'd correct that last sentence but i'm not sure how.)
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 20 December 2007 09:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Here's the first four genre lists. I felt too tired when I turned the page over to find another seven to do those as well, so Global, Hiphop, Jazz & Improv, Modern Composition, Outer Limits, Reissues and Compilations will have to follow later.
Avant Rock
Sir Richard Bishop - Polytheistic Fragments (Drag City) Loren Connors - The Hymn Of The North Star (Family Vineyard) Ghost - In Stormy Nights (Drag City) High On Fire - Death Is This Communion (Relapse) Kousokuya - Ray Night (Ray Night Music) Liars - Liars (Mute) Mouthus - Saw A Halo (Load) MV & EE With The Bummer Road - Green Blues (Ecstatic Peace) Six Organs Of Admittance - Shelter From The Ash (Drag City) Yellow Swans - At All Ends (Load)
Critical Beats
Benga - Crunked Up (Tempa) Blackdown & Dusk - The Blitz (Keysound) The Bug Featuring Flowdan - Skeng (Hyperdub) Durrty Goodz - Axiom EP (No Label) Petre Inspirescu - TIPS (Cadenza) Junior Boys - Like A Child (Carl Craig Remix) (Domino) Kalabrese - Rumpelzirkus (Stattmusik) Thomas Melchior - No Disco Future (Perlon) Shackleton - Blood On My Hands (Ricardo Villalobos Apocalypso Now Mix) (Skull Disco) Skull Disco - Soundboy's Ashes Get Chopped Up And Snorted (Skull Disco)
Dub
Bullwackies Allstars - Free For All (Wackies) Disrupt - Foundation Bit (Werk) D-Roy Band - Mawamba Dub (D-Roy/Badda Music) Keith Hudson - Nu Skin Up (Pressure Sounds) Kiddus I - Rockers: Graduation In Zion (Dub Store) Carlton Patterson Meets King Tubby - Black And White In Dub (Hot Pot) Lee Perry & The Upsetters - Ape-ology (Trojan) The Revolutionaries - Drum Sound: More Gems From The Channel One Dub Room 1974-1980 (Pressure Sounds) King Tubby Meets Aggrovators - At Dub Station (Trojan) Wailing Souls - Classic Cuts 1978-1984 (Greensleeves)
Electronica
Deepchord Presents Echospace - The Coldest Season (Modern Love) Thomas Fehlmann - Hönigpumpe (Kompakt) Fennesz & Sakamoto - Cendre (Touch) Giuseppe Ielasi - August (12K) Murcof - Cosmos (Leaf) September Collective - All The Birds Were Anarchists (Mosz) Signal - Robot (Raster-Noton) Andy Stott - Fear Of Heights EP (Modern Love) Underground Resistance - Electronic Warfare 2.0 (Underground Resistance) Uusitalo - Karhunainen (Huume)
― krakow, Thursday, 20 December 2007 11:17 (sixteen years ago) link
http://community.livejournal.com/leakage_channel/401801.html
― gr8080, Thursday, 20 December 2007 11:24 (sixteen years ago) link