"American Hardcore: The History of American Punk Rock 1980-1986"

A little too much of this film was dedicated to "LOL we were reprehensible assholes and still kinda think that's cool." The guy who happily describes himself as a rapist is kinda the lamest/grossest thing I've seen in a documentary that's not about Trent Lott since that part of American Pimp where the guy with no car is trying to get some behind a dumpster, and MacKaye trying to act like he can't fathom why white nationalists would "misunderstand" "Guilty of Being White" makes him look way dumber than it's possible for him to be. Flipper are still sweet, though.

yeah dudes that made the movie def. had a hard-on for the macho side of things...pretty pathetic that they totally skip over HUSKER FUCKING DU in favor of spending loads of time on no-talent meatnecks like TSOL just cuz they used to roll deep and kick ass...

too much Boston for my taste too, but the Husker thing really rankles me, it seems like doing a 60s Brit music documentary and skipping over the Kinks or something.

yr right, Ian's thing seems real disengenuous, esp. cuz dude IS smart most of the time...he should just say, "You know what, we were some nerd ass whiteboys in a mostly black city and we felt like outcasts and I was 17 when i wrote that and it's a stupid and kinda racist song, but that's where i was at at the time"....you know, it would be hard to hold it against him if he just said that.

soundtrack is GREAT, as a lot of those bands only had a couple good songs.

still, one thing I found heartwarming was how everyone -- from McKaye to musclebound college wrestler looking dude from Agnostic Front -- LOVED bad brains, and goddamn that live footage...what a band.

but yeah i know a lot of hx dudes in mpls that felt like the whole midwest scene got kinda shit on by this film, esp. considering somewhat not-that-great boston shit got so much play.

black flag and minor threat still rule though.

I've still not seen this. Rapist guy = Jack Grisham?

Can't recall, but that sounds right to me. Also talks about blowing up someone's garage with a pipe bomb and "this girl passed out, so I pissed on her face, so what?"

my favorite part of this thread is where somebody asks jbr "are you fucking gay?"

I don't remember any of this rape stuff at all. I didn't walk out (though was sorely tempted) but I have must have completely tuned out for big chunks.

I watched it on cable and definately tuned out most of, only to wake up once Flipper came on, asking "ooh what's this?"

"soundtrack is GREAT, as a lot of those bands only had a couple good songs."

black flag, bad brains, d.o.a., circle jerks, minor threat, mdc, ssd, void, scream, negative approach, articles of faith, die kreuzen, battalion of saints, 7 seconds, big boys, adolescents, dri, cro-mags, and flipper only had a couple of good songs?

i still want to see this. i liked the book a lot.

i kinda devoured the book like candy, actually.

I wasn't planning to watch more than a few minutes of it, but I was sucked in and got fairly captivated -- mostly by thinking about how a scene that seemed to contain so much idiotic reprehensible moron bullshit could also contain a bunch of incredibly smart non-reprehensible within it, something I find a lot harder to imagine today. Fewer options then, I suppose.

honestly, most of the moron stuff seemed confined to the big cities. l.a., new york, boston. out in the sticks it was more innocent. or more diy. or people were just grateful to hear the music. even if only two people cared.

i'm talking early on. later you would have meathead scenes all over. or no-meat scenes that were pretty dumb.

That was kind of the film's (brief) treatment of the midwestern scene, actually. And you could see it in the show footage, to be honest.

Didn't Jack Grisham run for public office?

i saw connecticut go from this:

yay!!!

http://www.76percent.com/gallery/images/band+friends1.jpg

to this:

we kill you now!

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n116/blawk359/Band%20PR%20Photos/hatebreed.jpg

my favorite part of this thread is where somebody asks jbr "are you fucking gay?"

Yes! Especially where the mook ends his rant by hailing hardcore for being so cerebral. Nope, no contradiction there.

911 tracks to listen to!!!

http://www.americanhardcorebook.com/punk24/

Penelope Spheeris is gonna be talking at the AFI in suburban DC with Jeff Krulik, Heavy Metal Parking Lot director, tonight between showing of Decline of Western Civ, the punk years and the metal years ones