― bimble (bimble), Sunday, 9 May 2004 08:56 (twenty years ago) link
― doomie x, Sunday, 9 May 2004 08:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Broheems (diamond), Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:05 (twenty years ago) link
― bimble (bimble), Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:07 (twenty years ago) link
Adventure, I love all of it. Now the title track is there, "The Dream's Dream" isn't quite such a 'wanders off and gets lost' ending to the album.
― mark grout (mark grout), Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:10 (twenty years ago) link
― doomie x, Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:16 (twenty years ago) link
― the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:17 (twenty years ago) link
― doomie x, Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:18 (twenty years ago) link
In other words, 'rockism' is what I do every time I get on ILX!
hahah, just kidding! sort of. But yeah, it's way lame. Bimble, your opinion, your reaction to music -the way it impacts your life - is as valid as any of these cockfarming rock critics who post on these boards. Believe dat.
― Broheems (diamond), Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:22 (twenty years ago) link
That is very true. Hell critics get free music -- i trust the opinion of someone who has paid over someone who gets things for free!
― doomie x, Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:23 (twenty years ago) link
Track one) RoadrunnerTrack two) Up the Bracket
and so on...
― mark grout (mark grout), Sunday, 9 May 2004 09:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Canada Briggs (Canada Briggs), Sunday, 9 May 2004 10:41 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 9 May 2004 12:43 (twenty years ago) link
― bimble (bimble), Sunday, 9 May 2004 17:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Tim Ellison, Sunday, 9 May 2004 17:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Evanston Wade (EWW), Sunday, 9 May 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link
― mentalist (mentalist), Monday, 10 May 2004 05:21 (twenty years ago) link
― the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Monday, 10 May 2004 05:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Canada Briggs (Canada Briggs), Monday, 10 May 2004 06:18 (twenty years ago) link
scott, what is it you prefer about the ROIR tape? I'm curious because I have it and I find it nearly unlistenable. What am I missing?
― webcrack (music=crack), Monday, 10 May 2004 06:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 10 May 2004 06:37 (twenty years ago) link
― bham, Monday, 10 May 2004 07:49 (twenty years ago) link
Yeah, rockism="It's gotta rock!" and "It might be good, but it still sucks because it doesn't rock!"
Best definition evah???
― Tim Ellison, Monday, 10 May 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago) link
― flowersdie (flowersdie), Monday, 10 May 2004 15:16 (twenty years ago) link
i've had the felt records for years, and up until recently i couldn't be bothered to be to inquisitive about them as people.
― mike bott, Monday, 10 May 2004 17:18 (twenty years ago) link
also the idea that authenticity is the gold standard of everything good and meaningful, that something new will almost always be inferior to something time-tested and "classic," that there are two categories, rock and "everything else," and nothing in the second category so much as exists in the rockist consciousness unless it (a) serves as a constant antagonist to all that is good and meaningful in music (b) brushes up against rock in some way that validates it.
this is all pretty reductive but it's a good place to start.
― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 May 2004 17:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Scott CE (Scott CE), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:25 (twenty years ago) link
― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:29 (twenty years ago) link
― Scott CE (Scott CE), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:32 (twenty years ago) link
Oh gosh, unlistenable, really? I always thought that tape sounded fine. I really fell in love with those versions when I first heard them. I had the Blow-Up tape and then the cd, but i think i sold the cd so i can't listen to it right now, but i just remember it being so tense and powerful. It kinda made me wish that i had a cd that was nothing but old live versions of those two songs. The studio versions never hit me half as hard.
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:33 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:36 (twenty years ago) link
― lovebug starski, Monday, 10 May 2004 21:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Jean-Luc (Jean-Luc), Monday, 10 May 2004 21:44 (twenty years ago) link
― David Nolan (David N.), Monday, 10 May 2004 23:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 00:01 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 00:13 (twenty years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 08:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Amos, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:34 (twenty years ago) link
― MarkH (MarkH), Sunday, 7 November 2004 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 7 November 2004 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link
No, it isn't.
― Palomino (Palomino), Sunday, 7 November 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― MarkH (MarkH), Sunday, 7 November 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 8 November 2004 00:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Monday, 8 November 2004 00:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Monday, 8 November 2004 00:36 (nineteen years ago) link
Search function is being spazzy so I couldn't find the Television C/D thread. This one will have to suffice.
Anyway, I dunno if it's common knowledge that the Television show in Central Park on Saturday was announced as Richard Lloyd's last. RL is severing his ties with the band to pursue more solo stuff.
Thing is, Lloyd went into intensive care with pneumonia in both lungs on June 1st and is still hospitalized & on breathing apparatus, though there has apparently been significant improvement since his admittance.
I hope he gets to go home soon. Very worrying.
― Jon Lewis, Monday, 11 June 2007 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link
the last couple months have been exceedingly odd for Mr. Lloyd. Has he gone off the deep end? here's his strange announcement re: his split with Television & his new apparently amazing (that's what he says anyway) record
Dear Marquee Moon mailing list members:
First of all, thank you for your continued support of our band and its members. Although I read the list from time to time, and I notice it is a worship altar for the works of Tom Verlaine, I have never minded, because for 34 years within Television, I practiced a kind of magical invisibility -- you could look at me on stage and think that what I was doing was being done by Tom. Of course, I took my own solos etc., but nonetheless I practiced a real yogic invisibility so that the band would have one leader and one central visionary.
A man cannot ride two horses. I am a great believer in my newest record which is about to come out, and I think it is as important a record as anything ever released -- not more important, but equal to absolutely anything you can name in rock-and-roll history. It deserves my full attention and support.
I'm going to ask the mailing list members a question. It's a rhetorical question, and thereafter I will answer it myself: have any of you ever made a New Year's resolution? Have any of you that have made a New Year's resolution kept your promise to yourself for the entire year? I dare say that not many of you can answer yes to this. Well, I made a vow in 1973 to subsume my will and my own personal charisma behind Tom, in order that Television have one face and one leader showing to the public. At times this vow was very difficult on me. I suffered public embarrassment and had to hide my own gregariousness and generosity behind a band identity that was nick-named "the ice kings of rock."
Now that I have announced my severance from any involvement in the band Television, the other three are free to get a fourth member should they like, and continue under the name. That was our original agreement and I stand by. I am a man of my word. I gave my word to myself and I kept my vow or 35 years. Now I am released from that vow and can reveal my own talents and force. I hope you will join me on an exciting adventure, which is more social phenomenon than musical, the music just being a part of my plans to conquer the earth and make the earthlings be nice to one another.
Please refrain from mentioning the name of my forthcoming record. Please do not mention the phrase. This will assist me in my well thought about promotional campaign. There will be no advance copies sent to journalists. There will be small listening parties and the record will be being played at my shows. But if you do not get a copy directly from me, you don't get one.
Sincerely yours, Richard
hmmm?
― tylerw, Monday, 11 June 2007 17:44 (sixteen years ago) link
i like the third album just fine, but i highly recommend tracking down the Live at the Academy 1992 disc they sold at shows for a minute ... think it's even on Spotify.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI4ve8KkO0I
― tylerw, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 22:14 (seven years ago) link
Having read Lloyd's piece, I found myself sympathising with Verlaine though that clearly wasn't the intent.
― Birds in Hell, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 22:56 (seven years ago) link
I saw them on the self-titled album tour, down in Washington DC. I had to go by myself, nobody was interested. But holy cow, it was one of the greatest shows I have ever seen. They were just so intense.
Fast forward about a decade later, I saw them again in NY. This time I had a bunch of friends. We left about 30 minutes into it. Slow, dull, no energy and they took about 10 minutes between each song to retune.
My friend put it best, "Tom Verlaine seems like he'd rather be playing shuffleboard."
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 23:22 (seven years ago) link
I love that kilbey blog postHe hasn't deleted his blog in general has he?
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 23:40 (seven years ago) link
Discogs has a French promo single, unissued tracks, dated just after the issue of the third album.
Anyone know anything about it? Or is it a bunchafibs?
― Mark G, Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:58 (seven years ago) link
https://img.discogs.com/mbfz_8LScBRlDZUpOaPGUqfgjMw=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-2839065-1303387370.jpeg.jpg
Tracklist .1 The Revolution 3:13 2 Big Jo 0:35 3 Hoo
1 The Revolution 3:13 2 Big Jo 0:35 3 Hoo
I have found a review, which I nick and repeat here:
This was released with copies of the Self-titled album when it came out in some French department store. It's extremely rare, so naturally one would wonder: is it any good?Unfortunately no.All of the tracks are spoken word. The first two are intermittently interesting to listen to one time but are total garbage. Not even songs. The last one sounds like Captain Beefheart or something, spoken word with an occasional song part thrown in. I love some of his music so maybe I'm too kind towards this, because I think with about a minute cut off, it'd be a decent song.Also the drum sound is shockingly good. These two things each raise the rating by half a star. The last official Television studio release, and it's a complete throwaway -they clearly didn't take this release seriously-. Shame Tom Verlaine lost his mind, they were one of my favorite bands of all time. Hell, the live bootleg from around 2002 of unreleased tracks ("Call Mr. Lloyd" is the name and you can listen to it here: http://www.earcandyarchive.com/?p=24 ) is fantastic, so they clearly could make a successful comeback if they wanted. Sadly Tom is so nuts he hears aural flaws nobody else does whenever he tries to make a new album with the band. Resulting in: an excessively sterile/muted sound (on self-titled he'd only gotten to this stage), some huge fit, and lastly him scrapping everything they'd just recorded. A new album was supposed to come out around 2010 I think but it's now 2016 and not a word has been heard from him aside from occasional live shows... which used to be fantastic but are slowly getting worse.May he find peace.
Unfortunately no.
All of the tracks are spoken word. The first two are intermittently interesting to listen to one time but are total garbage. Not even songs. The last one sounds like Captain Beefheart or something, spoken word with an occasional song part thrown in. I love some of his music so maybe I'm too kind towards this, because I think with about a minute cut off, it'd be a decent song.
Also the drum sound is shockingly good. These two things each raise the rating by half a star. The last official Television studio release, and it's a complete throwaway -they clearly didn't take this release seriously-. Shame Tom Verlaine lost his mind, they were one of my favorite bands of all time. Hell, the live bootleg from around 2002 of unreleased tracks ("Call Mr. Lloyd" is the name and you can listen to it here: http://www.earcandyarchive.com/?p=24 ) is fantastic, so they clearly could make a successful comeback if they wanted. Sadly Tom is so nuts he hears aural flaws nobody else does whenever he tries to make a new album with the band. Resulting in: an excessively sterile/muted sound (on self-titled he'd only gotten to this stage), some huge fit, and lastly him scrapping everything they'd just recorded. A new album was supposed to come out around 2010 I think but it's now 2016 and not a word has been heard from him aside from occasional live shows... which used to be fantastic but are slowly getting worse.
May he find peace.
― Mark G, Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:04 (seven years ago) link
"Hoo" is 04:56 btw
― Mark G, Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:05 (seven years ago) link
that Revolution single isn't all that bad, but it's not a hidden classic or anything -- sounds like half-finished leftovers from the s/t sessions. Definitely not worth the $90 they're asking on Discogs.
― tylerw, Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
A nice post-script to the evolution of "Marquee Moon" would be the live 13:58 version from the 1982 live disc on The Miller's Tale comp, just because the recording is so good, and an interesting example of Verlaine solo.
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
I think its the same as on the 12" b-side of "The funniest thing"
Edit: Apparently not, its from 1987, but its still good though.
― Mark G, Thursday, 2 March 2017 00:00 (seven years ago) link
Oh, "Revolution"is on it!
Riiiiight....
― Mark G, Thursday, 2 March 2017 00:03 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, that 1982 gig is stellar. I think Tyler has some bootlegs that are equal to it on his site.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 2 March 2017 00:36 (seven years ago) link
This one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMOyNTk5WZM
― brownie, Thursday, 2 March 2017 01:02 (seven years ago) link
6-4-82 at the Ritz does not quite have the sound quality of the millers tale gig but the intensity is even higher. On that MM, Verlaine takes a striking unaccompanied solo.
Bowery Ballroom 2006 is also a fantastic Verlaine band live recording showing what that year's songs album could do
― Cognition (Remix) (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 2 March 2017 01:25 (seven years ago) link
i wrote the script for this little marquee moon video -- they found a few cool pics i hadn't seen beforehttp://pitchfork.com/tv/56-liner-notes/1967-explore-televisions-marquee-moon-in-5-minutes/
― tylerw, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 21:34 (seven years ago) link
nice!
― niels, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 21:41 (seven years ago) link
That's awesome Tyler!
― iris marduk (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 13 April 2017 22:36 (seven years ago) link
thanks, jon -- obviously nothing too revelatory for heads, but I think they did a nice job with it...
― tylerw, Thursday, 13 April 2017 22:42 (seven years ago) link
love this pic of Lloyd -- i assume it was taken some time towards the end of "Satisfaction"
― tylerw, Thursday, 13 April 2017 22:49 (seven years ago) link
https://68.media.tumblr.com/6c6b74a08980bc2a01ddc7bd953b2af1/tumblr_inline_oocqdmtQEH1qzx4na_1280.jpg
― tylerw, Thursday, 13 April 2017 22:50 (seven years ago) link
lol
Stereo Review is a good source for "what's this crap?" contemporary hot takes on 'classic' LPs pic.twitter.com/qBbqCsKnYG— Bowiesongs (@bowiesongs) July 27, 2018
― mookieproof, Friday, 27 July 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link
Did he. . . did he even listen to the album?
― (V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Friday, 27 July 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link
not sure anyone who’s seen the elegantly cadaverous band on the cover of the record would want any more ‘flesh tones’ than there are on there already tbh
― a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:04 (five years ago) link
Seems this LP and Wire’s Pink Flag we’re very heavily discussed as rock classics 20 years or so ago, and maybe not as much these days?
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 27 July 2018 22:16 (five years ago) link
Are any rock classics heavily discussed these days?
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 27 July 2018 22:39 (five years ago) link
The Thing
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 27 July 2018 23:34 (five years ago) link
I was interested in who "N.C." might be, and after looking around a bit, found a site that archives Stereo Review for forty years:
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/HiFI-Stereo-Review.htm
Only recognized one name on the masthead circa 1977 (Steve Simels), but looks like Bangs reviewed records for them for a time. He reviews Bob Marley and Peter Tosh in the September '77 issue, also the Ramones in an earlier issue (the pages are missing on that one).
― clemenza, Saturday, 28 July 2018 00:39 (five years ago) link
N.C. = 'Noel Coppage'
also some sweet reviews of rumours and lust for life in that thread
― mookieproof, Saturday, 28 July 2018 00:42 (five years ago) link
title track is the closest a new york band ever got to Wishbone Ash
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 28 July 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
Bangs was writing for Stereo Review at least as early as 1974, as he reviewed Quadrophenia.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 28 July 2018 17:55 (five years ago) link
Good review...They've got a search button in the top right where you can look up Bangs, or specific albums. The other thing I love is all those old Marantz and Pioneer ads. I used to look at those ads as a teenager like someone else might look at Mercedes and Porsche ads.
http://www.magazine-advertisements.com/uploads/2/1/8/4/21844100/marantz-electronics-1-1.jpg
― clemenza, Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:12 (five years ago) link
Holy crap, $1285 today is around $7000 (and $298 just over $1600).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
See No Evil just came on in Shooters Sports n Shorts bar in Leeds and I'm amazed.
― Minister of the Pillow (fionnland), Sunday, 29 July 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link
xpost you could get a hell of a nice integrated stereo amp today for $1285!
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 29 July 2018 14:43 (five years ago) link
The Marantz, though, came with the TK421 modification, which they'd do right in the store. You don't get that anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La3U41b0WSU
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 July 2018 15:11 (five years ago) link
haha, great clip
― niels, Monday, 30 July 2018 16:26 (five years ago) link
That is funny. Where is it from?
― (V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Monday, 30 July 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
Boogie Nights
― Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 July 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link
haha, I'd totally forgotten about that scene, and it's not too far off from the Marantz ad copy (Gyro-Touch tuning! Built-in oscilloscope!)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 30 July 2018 19:18 (five years ago) link
To be fair, Marantz is a pretty solid investment.
― (V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Monday, 30 July 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link
Oh, I agree. I found a cheap used 1030 a few years ago, and it sounded great/worked perfectly for a few years. Tank-like, too (until one of the channels died).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 30 July 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link
Sorry, Marquee Moon, people love you and you will get your thread back soon...I started looking into where the company was now and came across this ad testifying to those tank-like qualities.
http://www.ca.marantz.com/Assets/Images/1974_Marantz_fire_ad.jpg
― clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2018 19:36 (five years ago) link
https://www.theringer.com/music/2022/4/13/23022787/television-marquee-moon-tom-verlaine-richard-hell
― Anita Quatloos (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 14 April 2022 00:15 (two years ago) link
With Lloyd doubling his parts, the effect was noir-cool as opposed to exploitation-flick-thrilling
― Anita Quatloos (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 14 April 2022 00:19 (two years ago) link