I get what you are saying but I really think "hype cycles" have a lot less to do with why bands disappear to early than just the impossible economics of being a band in 2018.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 21 October 2018 05:08 (five years ago) link
And in the broader sense of why isn't rock music bigger in 2018, I think at some point it's just that styles change. Rock music had a pretty good run, much longer than swing music.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 21 October 2018 05:10 (five years ago) link
More GVF: These vox & lyrics are trash!! OMG
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Sunday, 21 October 2018 05:53 (five years ago) link
triggercut otm. don’t forget how online content’s dissemination methods result in hype being crucial to how profiles are pitched on twitter / in headlines etcyou’ll probably be more able to chart this trend when all these acts’ next albums come out... if they do also did anyone head scratch this way about wolfmother or was their marketing better pitched
― maura, Sunday, 21 October 2018 05:57 (five years ago) link
It’s pretty clear GVFs PR people decided to just lean all the way into the zeppelin soundalike thing and it sort of annoys me that it worked and we’re talking about them as a result because I have listened to them five or six times and nothing about any of their songs or how they sound has stuck with me yet.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 21 October 2018 06:00 (five years ago) link
also did anyone head scratch this way about wolfmother or was their marketing better pitched
Their marketing was a little better. Different environment 10 years ago, too - they had a lot of licensing and placements (video game soundtracks, etc.), and the album wasn't released internationally until it had already been big in Australia for a year. Their music was also (slightly) better - they didn't sound like just one classic rock band; they sounded like early '70s proto-metal (Dust, Mountain, etc.) but you could also draw a line from them back to Kyuss, Brant Bjork et al. Their second album sucked, though.
GVF also uses the Stranger Things font for their logo, which is another annoying "look, we're pushing your nostalgia button" thing about them.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 21 October 2018 10:08 (five years ago) link
How it should work ideally: that writers are more measured in their praise and constructive in their criticism of up-and-coming bands than transparently coming across as being so gushing that they're clearly just trying to be The One Who First Wrote Lovingly About That Band Everyone Now Loves.
― triggercut
sure, ideally, but we're so far from that right now that criticizing critics for not being nuanced in a world where people neither want nor have any use for nuance leaves me scratching my head. i don't think public criticism can serve to make a band artistically better. best case scenario is getting more people to listen to bands the critic sees the appeal in, so that they can continue to develop, and the best way of doing that is, unfortunately, hyperbolic praise.
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Sunday, 21 October 2018 11:46 (five years ago) link
Exactly. In te era of no record label advances, hype is the only way you get money to keep going. A single artist can maybe toil in obscurity and poverty for a while to “develop” but forget about keeping a group together that way.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 21 October 2018 12:59 (five years ago) link
How long is the breaking period for a band considered to be these days. Seemed to used to be a couple of years, & from what I'm gathering seems to want to be overnight these days. Which presumably means bands not having time to develop in the old way.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 21 October 2018 13:24 (five years ago) link
& I guess the whole idea fo paying your dues is part of the rockist cliche or certainly as it would have been presented years back.BUt it would have been a part of the set up that a band forms, gets to know each others playing styles, plays around with parameters, finds out incompatibilities, changes line up and so on and so on.
During which money is coming in from somewhere and after which if they get successful they can expect some recompense from the music.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 21 October 2018 13:31 (five years ago) link
Ahh, so this is what the writer who described the first Lana Del Rey album as being "like faking an orgasm" is up to now.
― MarkoP, Sunday, 21 October 2018 13:51 (five years ago) link
jesus this fucking scenester backbiting, y'all are depressing as hell
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Sunday, 21 October 2018 14:42 (five years ago) link
― MarkoP
good review!
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 October 2018 14:46 (five years ago) link
sure, ideally, but we're so far from that right now that criticizing critics for not being nuanced in a world where people neither want nor have any use for nuance leaves me scratching my head. i don't think public criticism can serve to make a band artistically better. best case scenario is getting more people to listen to bands the critic sees the appeal in, so that they can continue to develop, and the best way of doing that is, unfortunately, hyperbolic praise.I agree w/this so wholeheartedly that I’m quote-pasting the whole dang thing.
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Sunday, 21 October 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link
Agree with Alfred, that sums it up quite well. The listener's feelings regarding said simulation are something else entirely.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 21 October 2018 15:06 (five years ago) link
Ha, I was just listening to a new-release playlist unseen, and a song came on and I thought "Wow, this is really well done, but are they deliberately trying to sound like Led Zeppelin?" And sure enough, it was Greta Van Fleet.
― glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 21 October 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link
Fuck it anyway, I'm almost 40 years old. If some subset of the Bonnaroo crowd enjoys watching a mickey mouse club reject front a zep cover band that doesn't play covers, how can I begrudge them for that. They're neither rock's salvation nor its death knell, just another entertainment option in our age of precision niche targeting.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 21 October 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link
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― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 21 October 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
Every few years there's some band like this, like Wolfmother or whatever.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 October 2018 20:20 (five years ago) link
but they keep getting worse
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Sunday, 21 October 2018 23:49 (five years ago) link
Ok I just went on YouTube and randomly listened to a GVF performance and they have a song that’s basically a rearranged version of Your Time Is Gonna Come. It’s one think to copy communication breakdown or something, but doing that is almost trolling level imitation.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 22 October 2018 00:57 (five years ago) link
did any of you ever listen to the john bonham bandor whitesnake
― maura, Monday, 22 October 2018 01:11 (five years ago) link
Coverdale/Page
― billstevejim, Monday, 22 October 2018 01:14 (five years ago) link
listening to this band now and it's fine i guess. ugh the vocals tho.
― billstevejim, Monday, 22 October 2018 01:18 (five years ago) link
Coverband/Plage
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Monday, 22 October 2018 01:22 (five years ago) link
Maura, you mean Jason Bonham's Bonham, surely? That fits in with the sort of thing I was thinking of when I said GvF remind me most of early 90s AOR (album oriented rock, not whatever British people understand these letters to mean) radio.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Monday, 22 October 2018 01:27 (five years ago) link
i would be more impressed if some 21 year olds did a roth-era van halen fake covers band.
― billstevejim, Monday, 22 October 2018 01:28 (five years ago) link
It just occurred to me that, in a strange twist, you could make a case that GVF hate is more rockist than GVF love
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 22 October 2018 02:02 (five years ago) link
BTW yes of course I listened to Whitesnake, Coverdale/Page, etc., spent a lot of time trying to find another Zeppelin-esque high. The meaning of GvF is slightly different culturally, bands who grew up on Zeppelin vs bands whose parents are too young to have grown up on Zeppelin. I mean Coverdale was born in 1951, only 7 years after Page. Josh Kiszka was born in 1996. He was 10 when Wolfmother's biggest record came out, so he's at least 4th wave.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 22 October 2018 02:10 (five years ago) link
I'm p sure you could make a case that any pov you dislike is rockist and someone probably has. xp
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Monday, 22 October 2018 02:16 (five years ago) link
yeah i meant jason. i don’t think that this brand of revivalism is all that surprising given the way classic rock radio has managed to remain on the fm dial even as music formats have been eaten away there. and modern rock radio is a hookless shambles (or worse, it’s elevating crap like portugal. the bland). as a result getting the led out has become an inter generational tradition. (and a lot of my students, age <22, were raised on classic rock still.)also how has nobody compared this revivalism-drenched family band to kings of leon yet
― maura, Monday, 22 October 2018 02:30 (five years ago) link
good call on Kings Of Leon, also thanks for the dn
― portugal. the bland (sleeve), Monday, 22 October 2018 02:32 (five years ago) link
feel like i should also point out that three weeks ago at a SUPERNATURAL event jensen ackles specifically shouted out gvf as a band the brothers would probably crank. xp
― maura, Monday, 22 October 2018 02:32 (five years ago) link
a lot of my students, age <22, were raised on classic rock still
Middle school aged kids still want to learn these songs on guitar.
The chorus of "Wait for You" still gets in my head sometimes btw.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Monday, 22 October 2018 03:02 (five years ago) link
I just don't think the big show business dollar even tries to get into the rock band business, too much overhead and not enough profit. It can take years and years for a live act to even build up to playing decent sized rooms even in the age of shared media. Shared media is great to get started, but it seems to have a bit of a ceiling.
Alot of the old heartland/southern rock has pretty much gotten absorbed into country music. Still many of those groups are bands that live by playing live, they are not big radio/TV bands for the most part.
― earlnash, Monday, 22 October 2018 03:24 (five years ago) link
lindsay zoladz is a good writer and that was a fun piece on an embarrasing band
― niels, Monday, 22 October 2018 07:49 (five years ago) link
are there people itt who think greta van fleet are something other than a fucking monstrosity or are y'all just being contrarian for the sake of it?
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Saturday, October 20, 2018 2:56 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i honestly thought Greta Van Fleet was some Sharon Van Etten type solo artist just from seeing the name at random around the 'net, shades of teenage me picking up a Catherine Wheel record because i thought the Liz Phair album was cool and wanted more lady music in the collection.
― omar little, Monday, 22 October 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link
I'd never heard of Greta Van Fleet before this thread. Don't know what to make of omar little's 'well I thought the band was like Sharon van Etten y bcz they both have 'van' in their name'... Ok buddy...
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 22 October 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link
haha omar that is awesome
― portugal. the bland (sleeve), Monday, 22 October 2018 20:41 (five years ago) link
xp no he's saying he thought it was a person, not a band
It's Fred Van Vleet's sister, iirc
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 22 October 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link
Don't know what to make of omar little's 'well I thought the band was like Sharon van Etten y bcz they both have 'van' in their name'... Ok buddy...
LMAO
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Monday, 22 October 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link
Greta Van Fleet will never create anything as great as "Here I Go Again"
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 October 2018 21:34 (five years ago) link
to be fair to omar, greta van fleet is a horrifically bad band name
― voodoo chili, Monday, 22 October 2018 21:37 (five years ago) link
to be even fairer to omar, i thought led zeppelin was a dude's name when i first heard of them (probably when i was in fifth grade).
not only is it an awful bad name, the pun has already been done better by camper van beethoven!
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Monday, 22 October 2018 23:29 (five years ago) link
― voodoo chili
you're not the only one
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― dub pilates (rushomancy), Monday, 22 October 2018 23:30 (five years ago) link
i don’t think that this brand of revivalism is all that surprising given the way classic rock radio has managed to remain on the fm dial even as music formats have been eaten away there. and modern rock radio is a hookless shambles (or worse, it’s elevating crap like portugal. the bland). as a result getting the led out has become an inter generational tradition. (and a lot of my students, age <22, were raised on classic rock still.)
maura otm
― crüt, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 00:03 (five years ago) link
I think I was just mixing them up with Greta Van Susteren.
― omar little, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 00:26 (five years ago) link
i thought GVF was named after an old lady from the town they’re from, kinda like a lynyrd skynyrd sorta thing ?
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 02:22 (five years ago) link